Do you carry your 1911 in "condition 0?"

[Grapeshot]

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thumper wrote:

Single action pistols are never safe with a round chambered. You can do as you wish, but you risk negligent discharge. I prefer single action steelframe pistols. The Israelis train for condition 3. When it's time to shoot, it's draw, rack, blammo. If you train that way, you will be fine. My other carry method is revolver with the top chamber empty. Speed loaders always with6 rds.

WTH!

Virtually every (all?) manufactures, training officers and other experts would totally disagree with you. IMO - you should carry your pistol as it was designed to be carried.

In the case of the 1911 that would be condition 1. All guns should be well maintained and good muzzle control et al exercised.

As to the background on "Israeli Carry" - Their style was developed many, many years ago when the only source of guns available to them was a mix-mash of older, worn out weapons without hammer blocks and/or other internal safeties. Their laws/rules are as slow to change as ours sometimes. Be assured that when they have any advance warning, they do not cowboy it up and wait to rack until the last second. Best one stop, one answer I have read appears as follows:
http://www.gunatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4881

BTW - how is that draw, rack, blammo thing going to work for you if you have one arm disabled?

What you "prefer" is your choice, but please do not make such statements under the guise of fact in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Yata hey

 

[elixin77]

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I carry my 1911 in Condition 1, at all times. The gun is designed to be carried like that. If I have to draw my weapon, the last thing I'll be thinking about is if I have to rack the slide or not. The only thing I have to do is thumb the safety to off, and I'm good to go.

 

[thebigsd]

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I carry in condition one no matter what.

 

[open4years]

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I carry in condition 1. However, I've discovered that a hammer back freaks some people out. Some are gun owners but they apparently have only DA and have never heard of SA. For my 1911 to "go off," it would need to be removed from the holster (leather piece between hammer and gun) the safety would need to be off, the grip safety would have to be depressed at the same time as the trigger is pulled. On a Glock you just need to pull the trigger, yet they freak out over a cocked hammer. Lack of knowledge, I think. I try and educate them - I hope it will make a difference.

 

[open4years]

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SpringerXDacp wrote:

If I decide to carry my 1911 I start out in condition 1.  However, after getting in and out of my vehicle, moving around, bending over, etc. the manual safety usually gets moved to the off position.  I'm not concerned at all about this due to the additional safety features, such as, the grip safety and trigger.  Of course, the best safety feature is the one between your ears.

With the manual safety off two things must happen in order for the 1911 to go BANG.  1) is that the grip safety must be depressed and, 2) the trigger must be depressed as well.  If you are able to depress the trigger without disengaging the grip safety then you should not be carrying the gun until the problem has been resolved.

I fail to understand the differences with carrying a 1911 in condition 0 
and carrying my Glock with one in the pipe.



I think it is time for a new holster if your safety is moved while in the holster. That simply can not happen with any of my 1911 holsters and I have a rather large collection.

 

[Grapeshot]

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open4years wrote:

I think it is time for a new holster if your safety is moved while in the holster. That simply can not happen with any of my 1911 holsters and I have a rather large collection.

Frequently the problem can be corrected with a heavier spring on the safety.

The only time my safety is disengaged is when my thumb so instructs it.

Yata hey

 

[marshaul]

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Every holster I have for my 1911s allows the thumb safety to be disabled if it is of the ambidextrous variety.

I have a stiff plunger spring and a good detent, and I still found my safety off occasionally when I was using an ambi sort.

Maybe it's just the way I walk. Anyway, no more of that for me. I found a fix that works and I'm happy with it.

 

[open4years]

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I didn't think of that. All of mine have one safety, right where I need and want it to be.

 

[Son_of_Perdition]

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I Israeli carry (Safety off, full mag of Federal hydrashocks)a Kimber aluminum compact in a Forbus Paddle.

Some people feel Israeli (No round in the tube) will slow you down. But with practice you can get off a tight group in a blink or two of an eye

 

[Grapeshot]

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Son_of_Perdition wrote:

I Israeli carry (Safety off, full mag of Federal hydrashocks)a Kimber aluminum compact in a Forbus Paddle.

Some people feel Israeli (No round in the tube) will slow you down. But with practice you can get off a tight group in a blink or two of an eye

What would you do if your dominate arm were incapacitated?

Yata hey

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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Does it ever end...

 

[Grapeshot]

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

Does it ever end...

It is a continuous loop - automatic replay.

Yata hey

 

[groovedrummer]

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Grapeshot wrote:

Son_of_Perdition wrote:

I Israeli carry (Safety off, full mag of Federal hydrashocks)a Kimber aluminum compact in a Forbus Paddle.

Some people feel Israeli (No round in the tube) will slow you down. But with practice you can get off a tight group in a blink or two of an eye

What would you do if your dominate arm were incapacitated?

Yata hey

Or if the bad guy gets the jump on you and grabs you quickly, and your using your weak hand to fight them off or at least hold them as far away from you as possible while you draw your weapon...

god forbid that bad guy has a knife or another gun...because then your weak hand is now the only thing between you and a casket, and your gun is just an ammo storage device...your probably even going to need to let go of your gun and put you strong hand into the fight...making it like you didn't even bring the gun in the first place.

A hydra shock will be of no use to you if you cant pull the trigger on it.

imho

condition 1 all day

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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ItTakesAWolf wrote:

Grapeshot wrote:

Son_of_Perdition wrote:

I Israeli carry (Safety off, full mag of Federal hydrashocks)a Kimber aluminum compact in a Forbus Paddle.

Some people feel Israeli (No round in the tube) will slow you down. But with practice you can get off a tight group in a blink or two of an eye

What would you do if your dominate arm were incapacitated?

Yata hey

Or if the bad guy gets the jump on you and grabs you quickly, and your using your weak hand to fight them off or at least hold them as far away from you as possible while you draw your weapon...

god forbid that bad guy has a knife or another gun...because then your weak hand is now the only thing between you and a casket, and your gun is just an ammo storage device...your probably even going to need to let go of your gun and put you strong hand into the fight...making it like you didn't even bring the gun in the first place.

A hydra shock will be of no use to you if you cant pull the trigger on it.

imho

condition 1 all day

Primary reason to travel around with a Gerber MK II clenched between your teeth... :uhoh:

 

[jayspapa]

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Why would anyone buy a semi automatic pistol that they were afraid to carry with a round in the chamber??? :banghead::banghead::banghead: If they are afraid it " might go off " then they should buy a revolver and then they could keep the hammer over an empty chamber!

At least with a revolver setup like mentioned , when you pull the trigger it will still fire.

I have a kel-tec PF-9 that has no mechanical safety and a fairly light trigger pull ( about6 lbs ) . I carry it in my front pocket every day around the house ( about a year and a half now ) and it hasn't gone off one time unless I pulled the trigger.

Reasoning like this would suggest that one not sharpen thier knife because it might cut them. :uhoh:

 

[centsi]

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Old thread, but still an interesting topic. Condition 1 on a 1911, always. That's how it was designed.

 

[1FASTC4]

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FWIW, I used to carry in condition 2 and had a ND. I was in the car with my wife, and handed her my Thompson 1911. It was laying in the palm of my open hand. Somehow, as she reached for it, it ND'd. Fortunately, I had handed it to her with the barrel pointed away from her(of course) so we ended up with a hole in the door. Other than scaring the hell out of her, there was no other damage.

Neither of us saw the hammer get touched in any way. We may both be wrong but it seemed like the gun fired without any inducement.

It was the last time I carried a 1911 in condition 2. As an overkill, I sold that gun. I own Kimbers and XD'snow.

 

[Grapeshot]

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1FASTC4 wrote:

FWIW, I used to carry in condition 2 and had a ND. I was in the car with my wife, and handed her my Thompson 1911. It was laying in the palm of my open hand. Somehow, as she reached for it, it ND'd. Fortunately, I had handed it to her with the barrel pointed away from her(of course) so we ended up with a hole in the door. Other than scaring the hell out of her, there was no other damage.

Neither of us saw the hammer get touched in any way. We may both be wrong but it seemed like the gun fired without any inducement.

It was the last time I carried a 1911 in condition 2. As an overkill, I sold that gun. I own Kimbers and XD'snow.

No flame intended. IMO condition 2 is the worst way to carry a 1911! If safety is off and you grasp the grip safety, internal wear could allow the hammer to touch the pin. Likely replacing the internals with quality parts would have solved the problem.

Glad you maintained good muzzle discipline.

Yata hey

 

[jungleman007]

On my Kimber ultra with a extended beavertail grip safety and a bobbed hammer it extremely difficult to draw the hammer back. So this is another reason to carry in condition 1.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Why would anyone buy a semi automatic pistol that they were afraid to carry with a round in the chamber??? :banghead::banghead::banghead: If they are afraid it " might go off " then they should buy a revolver and then they could keep the hammer over an empty chamber!

At least with a revolver setup like mentioned , when you pull the trigger it will still fire.

I have a kel-tec PF-9 that has no mechanical safety and a fairly light trigger pull ( about6 lbs ) . I carry it in my front pocket every day around the house ( about a year and a half now ) and it hasn't gone off one time unless I pulled the trigger.

Reasoning like this would suggest that one not sharpen thier knife because it might cut them. :uhoh:

A person is more likely to get cut with a dull knife than a sharp one, But a sharp one will cut deeper and faster.