That's exactly right Nemo.
Novacop doesn't want to acknowledge that there are a lot of current and ex Leo's here that get along with everyone just fine.
Getting bashed is just a natural side effect of going on Safari.
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I told ya so! I get frustrated when people say cops are basically pro gun
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That's exactly right Nemo.
Novacop doesn't want to acknowledge that there are a lot of current and ex Leo's here that get along with everyone just fine.
Getting bashed is just a natural side effect of going on Safari.
I think that like any negative or sensational situation, the bad is more often brought to the attention of readers here and then hammered. Occasionally we do see mention of positive encounters with LE, but these are only mentioned briefly then left to disappear.
The problem IMHO is not the reporting of the negative experience (talking about the facts), but the weighted attacks on the personage - this is where the line is so often crossed.
Education is the key - from polite conversation to filing formal complaints and yes, even law suits as warranted/necessary. I see this "conversion" to neutral or pro citizen RKBA occurring in many localities/states and this was not gained via ranting nor by castigating LEOs.
Sheriff
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Correct.
And it will be a cold day in hades before I ever support law enforcement disarming the public.
MSC 45ACP
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Yes, there are quite a few of us that are retired/former LEOs posting here. Don't group us with that sillyflocker NovaCop and his ilk. He gives us honest retired LEO bums a bad name. I'm glad to see there are still quite a few GOOD LEOs on the job. York County Sheriff "Danny" Diggs is one of them! He's the best LEO I've ever met. We're very lucky to have him in York County.
nuc65
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I think I figured it out. I think they like to disarm citizens so that the bad guys have someone easy to shoot.
hunter45
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From my personal experience, it seems like a lot of LEOs become less pro gun after they become LEOs (not anti, just less pro). One of my friends who is a fairly new LEO seems to have developed a "who cares" attitude towards all the new legislature because none of it really impacts him since he can either already carry in most places or will be exempt from most of the proposed laws.
MSC 45ACP
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And along those lines, we elderly and retired LEOs tend to become more and more PRO gun and PRO freedom than the younger generation. Has anyone noticed how many liberal college 'kids' there are and they seem to become more conservative as the grow more mature?
I've heard liberalism/socialism is a mental illness that can be outgrown. If one doesn't "outgrow" it, then they have a terminal case or are completely brainwashed toward the anti-freedom movement. It is truly difficult to comprehend how one can become truly anti-freedom in this day and age.
The one that REALLY amazes me is the one that shares a last name with a famous Marine from "our parts": "Toddie" Puller. How exactly is she related to General "Chesty" Puller? Chesty must truly be spinning in his grave... How can she vote AGAINST so many 2A issues in Richmond? One can only hope "The General" visits her nightly in her dreams.
TFred
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Have you heard the famous Churchill quote?
"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."
And another quote that is probably even more revealing by Charles Krauthammer:
"Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil."
I think both quotes reveal a great deal about human nature.
The biggest flaw with liberals is that they believe human nature is fundamentally good. Conservatives know human nature for what it is, inherently flawed.
I believe every major difference found between these two world views can be traced to that distinction.
The Krauthammer article is fascinating, well worth the read.
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nuc65
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Funny, I feel like this sort of describes me. I used to believe in goodness and fairness, but now I believe in freedom and the oath I swore to defend the constitution has more meaning in the US than it did when I was in the service and elsewhere.
TFred
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Churchill was a smart man. At twenty, the world is still as it could be. At forty, the world is as it is...
TFred
Ahhh I see the alzheimer's is starting to set in. I'm curious to where you were a LEO and your background. I guess you are anti-first amendment? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, correct? I am not liberal, I am pro-gun, however I still believe in some gun control. I uphold all state/local laws.
wylde007
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Sorry, skippy. You don't get to be both.
You're one or the other.
There is no such thing as "reasonable" gun control. Not in a true Constitutional republic.
You're pretending to be something that you're not and the only person buying your line of hogwash is you.
The Fairfax County Cop that pulled me over on Saturday for expired tags seemed to be pretty pro-gun.
I had a 1911, a Glock, an AR SBR, Shotgun, and another rifle in my truck.
My VA permit had expired but I still had my Utah permit. He asked me if I work at a range and I told him I did and thats were I was coming from. He wrote me a warning and told me to have a good night.
I had a 1911, a Glock, an AR SBR, Shotgun, and another rifle in my truck.
My VA permit had expired but I still had my Utah permit. He asked me if I work at a range and I told him I did and thats were I was coming from. He wrote me a warning and told me to have a good night.
grylnsmn
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Reasonable Gun Control
I find it quite reasonable to control my guns.
As such, I fully support reasonable gun control for everyone. Anything that reasonably helps me control my guns is acceptable. Anything that helps someone else control my guns is inherently unreasonable, and is therefore not acceptable.
I disagree.
I find it quite reasonable to control my guns.
As such, I fully support reasonable gun control for everyone. Anything that reasonably helps me control my guns is acceptable. Anything that helps someone else control my guns is inherently unreasonable, and is therefore not acceptable.
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epilogue
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All American Nightmare
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Damm I was hoping you were gone for good.
marshaul
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I don't understand why freedom has to be a selfish thing, a rejection of the possibility of human good.
It is my very respect for the innate value of each individual which caused me to adopt a liberal way of thought, and it is precisely my liberalism which has lead me to reject gun control, as well as most other forms of state control.
If you look at the dictionary, you'll discover that there is absolutely nothing liberal about gun control, as a matter of basic definitional fact. That there are (maybe even a great many) people who call themselves "liberals" and who also, illiberally, support gun control, but then there are "conservatives" who do the same.
While it is very true that many folks have a naive sense of compassion which they lose with maturity, and this leads to much less support of "leftist" causes, and thus leads to a tendency of becoming more "conservative" with age, this says absolutely nothing about the intellectual progression of a truly liberal human being.
Thomas Jefferson was a liberal until the day he died, and I sure am not willing to claim greater insight or intelligence than he possessed.
I myself had no passion for freedom until I became an adult. I equate my passion for freedom with liberalism (the dictionary and historical fact support this), and therefore maintain that both my passion for freedom and my liberalism grow with every passing day.
In addition to misquoting Churchill (he never said that), I find that statement thoroughly insulting. I am as pro-liberty as any man on this forum, and I challenge folks to find fault with either my liberalism or my advocation of liberty.
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TFred
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I did not know Winston Churchill personally, and I doubt you did either, so that means both of us must rely on secondary and tertiary sources. If you try to find a source for that quote, you will be overwhelmed by citations that attribute it to Churchill. Upon further review, (after reading your assertion), I did find one source that claims he did not say it.
Which is true? I have no way to know for sure, and neither do you.
So if it would make you happy, you can imagine that I posted this instead:
"Have you heard the famous quote that is widely attributed to Churchill?"
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marshaul
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nuc65
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiquote/en/wiki/Winston_Churchill
Misattributed
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
According to research by Mark T. Shirey, citing Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations by Ralph Keyes, 1992, this quote was first uttered by mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman François Guizot when he observed, Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head. (N'être pas républicain à vingt ans est preuve d'un manque de cœur ; l'être après trente ans est preuve d'un manque de tête.) This quote has been attributed variously to George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin Disraeli, Otto von Bismarck, and others.
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