45acpForMe
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45acpForMe wrote:
45acpForMe wrote:
No one caught my question before. I can make an argument either way.
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Did you know that Fuddruckers is off limits to weapons?
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ed wrote:
While I consider the people on AR15 general...Colorful, they darn sure start sending out email when there's a cause.
It makes a difference and there's no reason we can't do the same thing.
ed wrote:
I think that's a great idea. There are a lot of members registered here and even throwing out the ones that seem to sell Viagra, the Multi named Leo's and the other spammers...there are still a lot of people.
While I consider the people on AR15 general...Colorful, they darn sure start sending out email when there's a cause.
It makes a difference and there's no reason we can't do the same thing.
Marco
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peter nap wrote:
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richarcm wrote:
They'll have no way of enforcing their policy but they won't have to worry about me or mine violating it.
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longwatch wrote:
Plan A bothers me for several reasons:
1) Not a traditional restaurant, if asked to leave we might (depending on when asked)have to ask for our money back.
2) The DM/corp has made his/their position clear why boast sales, let him stand by their decision.
Just my $0.02
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I'm not familiar with theAnnandale area but any establishment that serves good food, can handle the crowd and welcomes us is ok with me.
peter nap wrote:
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ed wrote:
I spoke with him yesterday, letting him know he would probably be losing his monthly party of 30+, and then some.
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richarcm wrote:
Even after CC is ok I won't be going there.
They'll have no way of enforcing their policy but they won't have to worry about me or mine violating it.
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longwatch wrote:
Plan A bothers me for several reasons:
1) Not a traditional restaurant, if asked to leave we might (depending on when asked)have to ask for our money back.
2) The DM/corp has made his/their position clear why boast sales, let him stand by their decision.
Just my $0.02
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I'm not familiar with theAnnandale area but any establishment that serves good food, can handle the crowd and welcomes us is ok with me.
Glock27Bill
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Have they disabled their feedback form?
I filled in every field, and the Submit button will not enable.
Have they disabled their feedback form?
I filled in every field, and the Submit button will not enable.
SouthernBoy
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NightmareSHANIQUA wrote:
Foster's is a great place for what it is. They will continue to get my business unless something untoward happens.
NightmareSHANIQUA wrote:
Yeah. And if only Foster's had a location in the Annandale area. About ten years ago, my wife and I were in the original Foster's in Warrenton for lunch and the owner came over to talk to us. He asked were we lived and said that they were opening a place there (which we knew, of course). He told us that he was planning to open 80+ stores in the future and started telling us some of the locations where he was looking to go.Well it looks like the search is on for a NoVA large sized restaurant that is willing to accommodate a bunch of quiet, law abiding, upstanding citizens. Damn, we will never find another place.
If only Fosters locations were just physically larger.
Foster's is a great place for what it is. They will continue to get my business unless something untoward happens.
VApatriot
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ed wrote:
I think that this is the best thing to do first. We shouldget the store managers to inform the regional manager of how much money they will be losing if they stick with this policy. We also need to send lots of emails to their corporate office, so that the big-wigs can see how many customers they will lose over this. We should give them a chance to change their official policy before we just up and go somewhere else without letting them know why they are losing all of our business.
ed wrote:
I think that this is the best thing to do first. We shouldget the store managers to inform the regional manager of how much money they will be losing if they stick with this policy. We also need to send lots of emails to their corporate office, so that the big-wigs can see how many customers they will lose over this. We should give them a chance to change their official policy before we just up and go somewhere else without letting them know why they are losing all of our business.
architect
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I wonder if this isn't an unintended consequence of the chp-ok-to-conceal-in-restaurants bill pending the Gov's. signature? Restaurateurs not so worried about losing business since patrons can "just conceal it." Will this be a trend?
The VA tuck has been the subject of many threads on OCDO, and the act of uncovering the impetus for much enlightenment of the masses. The Fuddrucker policy "clarification" is not going to affect CC, it will just be ignored by most, and not enforced on CCers except in unusual situations. This shifts the battle a lot more than I expected.
I wonder if this isn't an unintended consequence of the chp-ok-to-conceal-in-restaurants bill pending the Gov's. signature? Restaurateurs not so worried about losing business since patrons can "just conceal it." Will this be a trend?
The VA tuck has been the subject of many threads on OCDO, and the act of uncovering the impetus for much enlightenment of the masses. The Fuddrucker policy "clarification" is not going to affect CC, it will just be ignored by most, and not enforced on CCers except in unusual situations. This shifts the battle a lot more than I expected.
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architect wrote:
The Restaurant bill is one of the few that I was enthusiastic about this year.
The reason was simple. The Restaurant law was a case of reverse discrimination and the bill gave parity to CHP holders.
Now the irony begins. Will Restaurants change their policy and only allow CC where they always allowed OC?
Will someone submit a bill to ONLY allow CC and will the P4P'ers support it?
Have Oc'ers just handed another nail to be driven in our coffin?
Time will tell!:uhoh:
architect wrote:
You have just entered the twilight zone Architect.
The Restaurant bill is one of the few that I was enthusiastic about this year.
The reason was simple. The Restaurant law was a case of reverse discrimination and the bill gave parity to CHP holders.
Now the irony begins. Will Restaurants change their policy and only allow CC where they always allowed OC?
Will someone submit a bill to ONLY allow CC and will the P4P'ers support it?
Have Oc'ers just handed another nail to be driven in our coffin?
Time will tell!:uhoh:
darthmord
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My response...
On 4/5/2010 it came to my attention that Fuddruckers has taken the position banning law-abiding citizens from openly carry a firearm on premises as required by the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia (since your stores have an ABC On-site Consumption license).
On all of my visits to Fuddruckers, I've had outstanding service. The foood has been great. The local managers have always greeted me with a smile. One even commented on one visit that I was OCing. He asked if it was a law. I explained why I had to OC while on premises. After that, it was a total non-issue for him or his staff.
In fact a couple of months ago, we had an Open Carry Dining Out gathering at a local Fudds and we had the County Sheriff in attendance. Over 50 people showed up for that. That is the kind of repeat business (at many of your stores in VA) you are turning away by enforcing an anti-firearm policy. Several of your store managers are already unhappy about this change in policy.
I just wanted to take the time to let you know that my own weekly visits to your stores on my wednesday movie nights would stop. I am responsible for the safety & well-being of my wife, children, and myself. If I am forced to be defenseless while on your property, what guarantees of my safety are you willing to provide?
Please note that Starbucks has stayed more or less out of this issue by following a permissive stance with regards to firearm carry & state laws. Their bottom lines have improved once it became known they don't care if you are armed for self-protection or not as long as you were a law-abiding citizen.
But since you are following the restrictive stance with regards to firearms, I will respect that stance and not come back to any of your stores again. It pains me that I will have to go for a mediocre McDonald's burger over yours due to this policy change. But my family's and my safety are paramount. If you disallow me to ensure their's and my safety, I won't give you our business.
Please change your policy to a permissive stance. The law-abiding citizen isn't your enemy. We aren't the cause of problems for you. If you drive us away, we'll stay away. The criminals however will not.
The feedback form worked fine for me as of a couple of minutes ago.
My response...
On 4/5/2010 it came to my attention that Fuddruckers has taken the position banning law-abiding citizens from openly carry a firearm on premises as required by the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia (since your stores have an ABC On-site Consumption license).
On all of my visits to Fuddruckers, I've had outstanding service. The foood has been great. The local managers have always greeted me with a smile. One even commented on one visit that I was OCing. He asked if it was a law. I explained why I had to OC while on premises. After that, it was a total non-issue for him or his staff.
In fact a couple of months ago, we had an Open Carry Dining Out gathering at a local Fudds and we had the County Sheriff in attendance. Over 50 people showed up for that. That is the kind of repeat business (at many of your stores in VA) you are turning away by enforcing an anti-firearm policy. Several of your store managers are already unhappy about this change in policy.
I just wanted to take the time to let you know that my own weekly visits to your stores on my wednesday movie nights would stop. I am responsible for the safety & well-being of my wife, children, and myself. If I am forced to be defenseless while on your property, what guarantees of my safety are you willing to provide?
Please note that Starbucks has stayed more or less out of this issue by following a permissive stance with regards to firearm carry & state laws. Their bottom lines have improved once it became known they don't care if you are armed for self-protection or not as long as you were a law-abiding citizen.
But since you are following the restrictive stance with regards to firearms, I will respect that stance and not come back to any of your stores again. It pains me that I will have to go for a mediocre McDonald's burger over yours due to this policy change. But my family's and my safety are paramount. If you disallow me to ensure their's and my safety, I won't give you our business.
Please change your policy to a permissive stance. The law-abiding citizen isn't your enemy. We aren't the cause of problems for you. If you drive us away, we'll stay away. The criminals however will not.
The feedback form worked fine for me as of a couple of minutes ago.
Marco
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peter nap wrote:
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:idea:: Might have to learn to be a better cook.
peter nap wrote:
Hope not.
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I would never encourage a business to post a sign banning firearms but if their policy is no guns I'd actually prefer if they did, makes my choices easier.
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:idea:: Might have to learn to be a better cook.
marshaul
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peter nap wrote:
peter nap wrote:
We have a coffin now? :question:
VApatriot
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This is what I sent through thefeedback section:
As a long time Fuddruckers customer, I was very disappointed to hear that the chain has a "No Firearms" policy that is now being enforced in locations that otherwise allow for the lawful carry of firearms for personal protection.
Here, in Virginia, it is both legal and not uncommon for law-abiding citizens to openly carry firearms on their persons. A prohibition of such lawful carry, in Fuddruckers restaurants, will only affect those who would do so safely and legally. It will not serve to protect against criminal who would do harm to Fuddruckers’ employees or patrons, because if a person is willing to break the law they will not be deterred by a simple company policy that bans guns.
I have personally eaten at several Fuddruckers locations in the northern Virginia region, and each time I was legally carrying an openly holstered handgun, as I do nearly everywhere I go. In my past visits, I have never once been told that another customer felt uncomfortable or threatened because I was carrying a firearm, and I have never once been asked to disarm myself or leave a Fuddruckers restaurant.
For over three years now I have participated in monthly dinners at the Fuddruckers in Annandale, Virginia. These dinners are regularly attended by 30-50 individuals, most of whom are also legally carrying firearms. Although I have not spoken with him directly, I am aware that the manager of this Fuddruckers location is in no way bothered or offended by the presence of armed citizens in his restaurant, and I do not believe that he would appreciate losing such a large group of regular, loyal customers.
If Fuddruckers continues to enforce a corporate policy that prohibits the lawful carry of firearms in its’ establishments, I will no longer patronize any of your locations. And, although I can not speak for any other individuals, I know that most, if not all, of our monthly dinner group will also choose to take their business and their money elsewhere.
I sincerely hope that Fuddruckers is willing to review and revise its’ firearms policies, before unnecessarily losing many loyal customers.
This is what I sent through thefeedback section:
As a long time Fuddruckers customer, I was very disappointed to hear that the chain has a "No Firearms" policy that is now being enforced in locations that otherwise allow for the lawful carry of firearms for personal protection.
Here, in Virginia, it is both legal and not uncommon for law-abiding citizens to openly carry firearms on their persons. A prohibition of such lawful carry, in Fuddruckers restaurants, will only affect those who would do so safely and legally. It will not serve to protect against criminal who would do harm to Fuddruckers’ employees or patrons, because if a person is willing to break the law they will not be deterred by a simple company policy that bans guns.
I have personally eaten at several Fuddruckers locations in the northern Virginia region, and each time I was legally carrying an openly holstered handgun, as I do nearly everywhere I go. In my past visits, I have never once been told that another customer felt uncomfortable or threatened because I was carrying a firearm, and I have never once been asked to disarm myself or leave a Fuddruckers restaurant.
For over three years now I have participated in monthly dinners at the Fuddruckers in Annandale, Virginia. These dinners are regularly attended by 30-50 individuals, most of whom are also legally carrying firearms. Although I have not spoken with him directly, I am aware that the manager of this Fuddruckers location is in no way bothered or offended by the presence of armed citizens in his restaurant, and I do not believe that he would appreciate losing such a large group of regular, loyal customers.
If Fuddruckers continues to enforce a corporate policy that prohibits the lawful carry of firearms in its’ establishments, I will no longer patronize any of your locations. And, although I can not speak for any other individuals, I know that most, if not all, of our monthly dinner group will also choose to take their business and their money elsewhere.
I sincerely hope that Fuddruckers is willing to review and revise its’ firearms policies, before unnecessarily losing many loyal customers.
TFred
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Well here's a bit of interesting information. According to the Google Finance page on Fuddruckers, 1/3 of all stores are franchised. I would think those owners are free to ban or allow firearms as they see fit.
It would be interesting to find a list of franchised stores and patronize those to the exclusion of the corporate stores which must enforce a corporate ban.
BTW, I found this while I was looking to see if Fuddruckers was a publicly traded company, but it appears to be privately held: "The business today is owned by former CEO Bryce King and investor Michael Cannon."
TFred
ETA: Ahh, I looked around a little more... the company web page lists each store's status!
VIRGINIA
* Alexandria
o 4141C Duke Street, Alexandria, VA 22304
Phone: (703) 212-0903 Corporate location
* Annandale
o 4300 Backlick Road, Annandale, VA 22003
Phone: (703) 642-0221 Corporate location
* Arlington
o Center Pier, Rm 19, Arlington, VA 20001
Phone: (703) 417-1580 Franchise location
* Ashburn
o 44036 Pipeline Plaza, Ashburn, VA 20147
Phone: (703) 724-0990 Franchise location
* Chesapeake
o 1105 Merchants Way, Chesapeake, VA 23328
Phone: (757) 549-1670 Corporate location
* Dulles
o Terminal B Washington Dulles Airport Dulles, Dulles, VA 20166
Phone: (703) 572-6275 Franchise location
* Fairfax
o 3575 Chain Bridge Road, Fairfax, VA 22030
Phone: (703) 359-1040 Corporate location
* Fredericksburg
o 2871 Plank Road, Fredericksburg, VA 22407
Phone: (540) 785-7280 Corporate location
* Herndon
o 1030 Elden Street, Herndon, VA 20170
Phone: (703) 318-9438 Corporate location
* Newport News
o 101 Regal Way, Newport News, VA 23602
Phone: (757) 872-6661 Corporate location
* Vienna
o 1587 Spring Hill Road, Vienna, VA 22182
Phone: (703) 821-8581 Corporate location
* Virginia Beach
o 4625 Virginia Beach, Virginia Beach, VA 23462
Phone: (757) 456-1118 Corporate location
* Woodbridge
o 14075 Shoppers Best Way, Woodbridge, VA 22193
Phone: (703) 878-4500 Corporate location
Well here's a bit of interesting information. According to the Google Finance page on Fuddruckers, 1/3 of all stores are franchised. I would think those owners are free to ban or allow firearms as they see fit.
It would be interesting to find a list of franchised stores and patronize those to the exclusion of the corporate stores which must enforce a corporate ban.
BTW, I found this while I was looking to see if Fuddruckers was a publicly traded company, but it appears to be privately held: "The business today is owned by former CEO Bryce King and investor Michael Cannon."
TFred
ETA: Ahh, I looked around a little more... the company web page lists each store's status!
VIRGINIA
* Alexandria
o 4141C Duke Street, Alexandria, VA 22304
Phone: (703) 212-0903 Corporate location
* Annandale
o 4300 Backlick Road, Annandale, VA 22003
Phone: (703) 642-0221 Corporate location
* Arlington
o Center Pier, Rm 19, Arlington, VA 20001
Phone: (703) 417-1580 Franchise location
* Ashburn
o 44036 Pipeline Plaza, Ashburn, VA 20147
Phone: (703) 724-0990 Franchise location
* Chesapeake
o 1105 Merchants Way, Chesapeake, VA 23328
Phone: (757) 549-1670 Corporate location
* Dulles
o Terminal B Washington Dulles Airport Dulles, Dulles, VA 20166
Phone: (703) 572-6275 Franchise location
* Fairfax
o 3575 Chain Bridge Road, Fairfax, VA 22030
Phone: (703) 359-1040 Corporate location
* Fredericksburg
o 2871 Plank Road, Fredericksburg, VA 22407
Phone: (540) 785-7280 Corporate location
* Herndon
o 1030 Elden Street, Herndon, VA 20170
Phone: (703) 318-9438 Corporate location
* Newport News
o 101 Regal Way, Newport News, VA 23602
Phone: (757) 872-6661 Corporate location
* Vienna
o 1587 Spring Hill Road, Vienna, VA 22182
Phone: (703) 821-8581 Corporate location
* Virginia Beach
o 4625 Virginia Beach, Virginia Beach, VA 23462
Phone: (757) 456-1118 Corporate location
* Woodbridge
o 14075 Shoppers Best Way, Woodbridge, VA 22193
Phone: (703) 878-4500 Corporate location
Jonesy
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ed wrote:
ed wrote:
Wow Ed, you handled this conversation very well. You do a great job representing VCDLgun owners. I live very close to this location, and they have lost my business forever. I hit up that e-mail response as well.
Fran
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I really liked fuddruckers. I used to go to the one in VA Beach back in the late 80's. None located here in South Georgia, so I go when I visit Orlando. Just went last week. Really enjoyed it. Shame I cant go back anymore. That is basically what I told them in my e-mail. Do they care? Probably not
I really liked fuddruckers. I used to go to the one in VA Beach back in the late 80's. None located here in South Georgia, so I go when I visit Orlando. Just went last week. Really enjoyed it. Shame I cant go back anymore. That is basically what I told them in my e-mail. Do they care? Probably not
ChinChin
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ed wrote:
When they receive 30 or so receipts all at the same time, all from the same competitor for $15-$30 bucks a receipt. . .they'll have the proof of their financial losses in their hands.
What is more important. . .one panicky soccer mom who complained and spends 25 bucks once every 6 to 8 weeks; or 30 people who drop close to the same amount PER PERSON once a month.
ed wrote:
i would encourage all of you to keep your receipts from the next gathering at whatever non-Fuddruckers venue you go to, xerox them and send them all the Fudd's HQ with a note that this could have been THEIR money if they didn't discriminate against people obeying the law.
When they receive 30 or so receipts all at the same time, all from the same competitor for $15-$30 bucks a receipt. . .they'll have the proof of their financial losses in their hands.
What is more important. . .one panicky soccer mom who complained and spends 25 bucks once every 6 to 8 weeks; or 30 people who drop close to the same amount PER PERSON once a month.