Did you know that Fuddruckers is off limits to weapons?

[Riana]

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ed wrote:

deaconmaster wrote:

Ed, Citizen is the person I was referring to as a moderator. I'm new here; I probably was wrong.

The email I quoted was from Adriana Thompson, the same person who sent the email to Agent19. I believe Mary Hamill, the VP of HR, is the person to contact at corporate regarding this matter. Peter Large isFuddruckers CEO and Ralph Flannery isits COO.

Thanks..

I am gonna write to:

Peter Large at

Fuddruckers, Inc.
5700 Mopac Expressway South
Suite C300
Austin, Texas 78749
(512) 275-0400 or (512) 891-1300

If we want to cc Mr. Tool, should we just mail it to the Herndon Fuddruckers?

 

[45acpForMe]

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I just got a chance to listen to the mp3 of Ed reasoning with the regional manager. Ed, you did a great job laying out the facts and I wanted to reach through the screen and thump the manager on the head. It sounds like he was perfectly ok with enforcing the corporate policy since he never said he was willing to forward your arguments to corporate.

We had about 35 people show up to our Fuddruckers in December for a dinner with our local sheriff. So do we purposely support "Franchise" Fuddruckers hoping that the other locations will close due to lack of business or boycott all of them because of their corporate policy? I prefer their steak sandwich to anything at Five Guys. Also the Five Guys down here isn't any better. (There is another thread where someone was asked to leave 5 Guys, and the Shopping Center they are located in posted no weapons on the web page) http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/41689.html

 

[SouthernBoy]

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richarcm wrote:

SouthernBoy wrote:

Good time to spread the word and hurt them where it hurts - the bottom line.

The only thing I think you have to remember is that its only a local problem. I don't think there is any need giving the Fuddruckers brand a bad image as a whole. At that point it might become a corporate policy instead of a regional one.

True. But finding out which Fudd's accept our business is iffy. Of course, I'm open to hearing what people have to say about this.

 

[SouthernBoy]

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45acpForMe wrote:

I just got a chance to listen to the mp3 of Ed reasoning with the regional manager. Ed, you did a great job laying out the facts and I wanted to reach through the screen and thump the manager on the head. It sounds like he was perfectly ok with enforcing the corporate policy since he never said he was willing to forward your arguments to corporate.

We had about 35 people show up to our Fuddruckers in December for a dinner with our local sheriff. So do we purposely support "Franchise" Fuddruckers hoping that the other locations will close due to lack of business or boycott all of them because of their corporate policy? I prefer their steak sandwich to anything at Five Guys. Also the Five Guys down here isn't any better. (There is another thread where someone was asked to leave 5 Guys, and the Shopping Center they are located in posted no weapons on the web page)

Hey, that is really interesting and puts their family jewels in the ringer. Here you're having dinner with the sheriff, who I imagine was armed, and they are of a mind to ask you to leave but not him. What's the difference? You're both armed.

I know, this didn't happen in your case but wouldn't it be a hoot?

 

[45acpForMe]

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SouthernBoy wrote:

45acpForMe wrote:

I just got a chance to listen to the mp3 of Ed reasoning with the regional manager. Ed, you did a great job laying out the facts and I wanted to reach through the screen and thump the manager on the head. It sounds like he was perfectly ok with enforcing the corporate policy since he never said he was willing to forward your arguments to corporate.

We had about 35 people show up to our Fuddruckers in December for a dinner with our local sheriff. So do we purposely support "Franchise" Fuddruckers hoping that the other locations will close due to lack of business or boycott all of them because of their corporate policy? I prefer their steak sandwich to anything at Five Guys. Also the Five Guys down here isn't any better. (There is another thread where someone was asked to leave 5 Guys, and the Shopping Center they are located in posted no weapons on the web page)

Hey, that is really interesting and puts their family jewels in the ringer. Here you're having dinner with the sheriff, who I imagine was armed, and they are of a mind to ask you to leave but not him. What's the difference? You're both armed.

I know, this didn't happen in your case but wouldn't it be a hoot?

Yes he was armed, he came straight from work.

I think a manager asking 1 person to leave is different from asking 35 people to leave. They see the loss of business. If anything they would tell us, after we paid or ate that we couldn't bring guns back in.

 

[richarcm]

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Just wait until you can carry concealed. What are they going to do then? Search purses?

 

[marshaul]

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45acpForMe wrote:

Also the Five Guys down here isn't any better. (There is another thread where someone was asked to leave 5 Guys, and the Shopping Center they are located in posted no weapons on the web page) http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/41689.html

You're not being 100% fair.

Tralpat wrote:

I was asked to leave there on Saturday. I have OC'd to Target, 5 Guys, and Chipotle before. Saturday, as we were walking into 5 Guys, one of the security guards stopped me and informed me that it was in fact private property and that firearms were not allowed. Not exactly sure where the public and private property boundaries are though as I was on the sidewalk outside.

I've never known Five Guys to employ security. Moreover, he was on the sidewalk outside. This clearly must have been a security guard for the shopping center itself. This is hardly the same as Five Guys having a similar policy to Fuddruckers, which was the implication I took from your post.

There's also a Five Guys in Dulles Airport, right in the B concourse. I 100% guarantee that you can't OC there.

But it's not because Five Guys is "isn't any better [than Fuddruckers]". Not exactly. That's not quite fair, I don't think.

 

[NightmareSHANIQUA]

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Well it looks like the search is on for a NoVA large sized restaurant that is willing to accommodate a bunch of quiet, law abiding, upstanding citizens. Damn, we will never find another place.

If only Fosters locations were just physically larger.

 

[45acpForMe]

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marshaul wrote:

45acpForMe wrote:

Also the Five Guys down here isn't any better. (There is another thread where someone was asked to leave 5 Guys, and the Shopping Center they are located in posted no weapons on the web page) Tralpat wrote:

I was asked to leave there on Saturday. I have OC'd to Target, 5 Guys, and Chipotle before. Saturday, as we were walking into 5 Guys, one of the security guards stopped me and informed me that it was in fact private property and that firearms were not allowed. Not exactly sure where the public and private property boundaries are though as I was on the sidewalk outside.

I've never known Five Guys to employ security. Moreover, he was on the sidewalk outside. This clearly must have been a security guard for the shopping center itself. This is hardly the same as Five Guys having a similar policy to Fuddruckers, which was the implication I took from your post.

There's also a Five Guys in Dulles Airport, right in the B concourse. I 100% guarantee that you can't OC there.

But it's not because Five Guys is "isn't any better [than Fuddruckers]". Not exactly. That's not quite fair, I don't think.

Fair enough, I just wonder what percentage of stores/restaurants disagree with the shopping center policy. And whether they made any "pro" arguments (possibly to deaf ears)?

Since many of these stores seem to be on city streets and the parking is across the street I don't know how a security guard could say you can't OC on the sidewalk.

 

[45acpForMe]

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browser formatting war that I am losing.... :banghead:

 

[TFred]

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I'm not quoting, don't want to bring that corrupt formatting over. If you look back at that other thread, it's a mall. I posted a Google Map link showing it from the sky. Once you are in the parking lot, you are on mall property.

TFred

 

[eyesopened]

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There's always Five Guys or Fosters if I need a burger fix. Sorry Fuds, you just lost some business.

 

[ed]

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NightmareSHANIQUA wrote:

Well it looks like the search is on for a NoVA large sized restaurant that is willing to accommodate a bunch of quiet, law abiding, upstanding citizens. Damn, we will never find another place.

If only Fosters locations were just physically larger.

Champss in Reston, Carmines in Sterling, Ted's in Sterling, Famous Dave's in Sterling and Buffalo Wing Factory in Sterling all love us!

 

[longwatch]

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Per the next VCDL after meeting dinner.

Plan A- What if we just ignore the policy, after all they have been for years so they claim. I think unless I see a sign I haven't been informed of any antigun policy. If they ask me to leave I'll comply.

Plan B- Jukebox Diner- down the street in Annadale has welcomed us before.

I don't think we should picket or protest, let the antis do that thing. Positive letters encouraging Fuddruckers to reconsider seems like a good idea.

 

[ed]

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ed wrote:

NightmareSHANIQUA wrote:

Well it looks like the search is on for a NoVA large sized restaurant that is willing to accommodate a bunch of quiet, law abiding, upstanding citizens. Damn, we will never find another place.

If only Fosters locations were just physically larger.

Champss in Reston, Carmines in Sterling, Ted's in Sterling, Famous Dave's in Sterling and Buffalo Wing Factory in Sterling all love us!

I forgot to meention.. Champs, Carmines and Buffalo Wing all give discounts to VCDL members.. see http://vcdldiscounts.org

 

[ed]

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longwatch wrote:

Per the next VCDL after meeting dinner.

Plan A- What if we just ignore the policy, after all they have been for years so they claim. I think unless I see a sign I haven't been informed of any antigun policy. If they ask me to leave I'll comply.

Plan B- Jukebox Diner- down the street in Annadale has welcomed us before.

I don't think we should picket or protest, let the antis do that thing. Positive letters encouraging Fuddruckers to reconsider seems like a good idea.

F plan A. Let the Annandale manager tell Corporate that he just got screwed.

Plan B sounds good if they are up for it: http://www.jukeboxdiner.com/

 

[Riana]

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ed wrote:

longwatch wrote:

Per the next VCDL after meeting dinner.

Plan A- What if we just ignore the policy, after all they have been for years so they claim. I think unless I see a sign I haven't been informed of any antigun policy. If they ask me to leave I'll comply.

Plan B- Jukebox Diner- down the street in Annadale has welcomed us before.

I don't think we should picket or protest, let the antis do that thing. Positive letters encouraging Fuddruckers to reconsider seems like a good idea.

F plan A. Let the Annandale manager tell Corporate that he just got screwed.

Plan B sounds good if they are up for it: http://www.jukeboxdiner.com/

I would be sure to tell the Annandale manager WHY you're choosing somewhere else - that Corporate explained that you are not welcome. Let him take it up with Corporate.

 

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Riana wrote:

I would be sure to tell the Annandale manager WHY you're choosing somewhere else - that Corporate explained that you are not welcome. Let him take it up with Corporate.

of course

 

[45acpForMe]

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TFred wrote:

... If you look back at that other thread, it's a mall. I posted a Google Map link showing it from the sky. Once you are in the parking lot, you are on mall property.

TFred

It is an outdoor mall with streets that run through it. (not the best idea in my opinion) I can't believe that those streets are privately maintained.

The stores and restaurants have exterior entrances and don't share any internal hallways etc. There is metered parking on the "street" that Chipotle and 5 Guys are on but you can park for free across the "street" in a parking lot.

I have also OC-ed to places like Bailey's, Dicks Sporting Goods and Chipotle at Patrick Henry Mall (Sears at another mall) where the mall policy is no weapons. Since those places I OC-ed athave external entrances separate from the malls entrances I never set foot "inside" the mall. I guess technically the parking lot is "mall" property but have never heard of anyone in the parking lot being asked to leave. In the past as members were personally discovering the anti-OC policy inside the mall and were asked to leave they were escorted out of the physical building not off the property (including parking lot).

So TFred I think in the malls you are technically correct even though they don't seem to enforce the parking lot. In this case the outdoor mall concept seems flawed if City streets run through it and (some) restaurants are ok with OC, there shouldn't be a security guard going around telling people it is private property and they have to leave.

Edited to add: I looked at the google map TFred posted in the other thread. The map image is a few years old. The mall he sees in that link was torn down and an outdoor open air mall was built. It is those streets that I believe are maintained by the city.

 

[ed]

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I would encourage all of you to fill out the Fudds contact form and politely tell them how you feel:

http://www.fuddruckers.com/feedback.php