was the restaurant carry bill signed by the gov ??

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Tess wrote:

Grapeshot wrote:

Ridiculing a Right does not make it less so, but it does define the character of the author.

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Well put, sir. I'd like to steal that phrasing.

Please be my guest.

My grandpa said the same differently - "consider the source."

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Need a point of clarification on the new bill.

It essentially states "he who carries concealed into an establishment that serves shall not drink".

But if one chooses to OC, may you still drink?

It does NOT say "he who carries shalll not drink"...is that covered in another law?

 

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mrjam2jab wrote:

Need a point of clarification on the new bill.

It essentially states "he who carries concealed into an establishment that serves shall not drink". 

But if one chooses to OC, may you still drink?  

It does NOT say "he who carries shalll not drink"...is that covered in another law?

You may open carry and drink, as has been the case forever as far as I know. I'd give myself a strict limit of 2 beers while carrying on public or private property. Others would chastise you for having even 1 beer.
If you pay careful attention to the wording, it appears you could open carry into an establishment, and then switch to CC once inside / seated to have a drink.

 

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t33j wrote:

mrjam2jab wrote:

Need a point of clarification on the new bill.

It essentially states "he who carries concealed into an establishment that serves shall not drink".

But if one chooses to OC, may you still drink?

It does NOT say "he who carries shalll not drink"...is that covered in another law?

You may open carry and drink, as has been the case forever as far as I know. I'd give myself a strict limit of 2 beers while carrying on public or private property. Others would chastise you for having even 1 beer.

If you pay careful attention to the wording, it appears you could open carry into an establishment, and then switch to CC once inside / seated to have a drink.

I wouldn't try to go to far with that line of reasoning. Not only will it probably get you arrested, if you compare the new text to the old (current law) text (quoted below), your reasoning would allow you to presently carry into a restaurant openly, then once you get inside you could conceal. I've never seen anyone claim that would fly.

J3. No person shall carry a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia;

The phrase "onto the premises of any restaurant..." was unchanged.

IANAL, but I would be careful with that...

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Yeah not suggesting you do it... but why is it so hard to say, anyone possessing a concealed handgun may not consume any alcoholic beverage at an establishment licensed to serve alcohol.

 

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TFred wrote:

t33j wrote:

mrjam2jab wrote:

Need a point of clarification on the new bill.

It essentially states "he who carries concealed into an establishment that serves shall not drink".

But if one chooses to OC, may you still drink?

It does NOT say "he who carries shalll not drink"...is that covered in another law?

You may open carry and drink, as has been the case forever as far as I know. I'd give myself a strict limit of 2 beers while carrying on public or private property. Others would chastise you for having even 1 beer.

If you pay careful attention to the wording, it appears you could open carry into an establishment, and then switch to CC once inside / seated to have a drink.

I wouldn't try to go to far with that line of reasoning. Not only will it probably get you arrested, if you compare the new text to the old (current law) text (quoted below), your reasoning would allow you to presently carry into a restaurant openly, then once you get inside you could conceal. I've never seen anyone claim that would fly.

J3. No person shall carry a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia;

The phrase "onto the premises of any restaurant..." was unchanged.

IANAL, but I would be careful with that...

TFred

What the new law (July 1st) will allow is for me to enter the restaurant CCing and then take my coat off before being seated. I perceive this as a primary benefit during inclement weather. I still will not indulge as a matter of personal principle.

To enter such an establishment OCing, switch to CC after being seated and think you can drink because you came in OCing is to invite serious complications/disaster. Very foolish thing IMHO.

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