ixtow
Founder's Club Member
I'm more than certain that our Fearless Leaders are on this like white on rice. All we can do is bring the pressure en-mass.
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SB234: The Final Countdown
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I'm more than certain that our Fearless Leaders are on this like white on rice. All we can do is bring the pressure en-mass.
oogotbagsoo
Regular Member
Just sent out a few more emails.
Contacted Sen. Flores and even left a comment on one of her new youtube vids
.
We gotta hit them from every angle...
Contacted Sen. Flores and even left a comment on one of her new youtube vids
.We gotta hit them from every angle...
ixtow
Founder's Club Member
I don't think Flores is a problem. Her body language/inflection in both committees was pretty clear. It was the nearly the unspoken version of 'screw off' when some of the cops were up there talking.
jonkknox
Regular Member
Sent an e-mail to mine (Senator Latvala). I can't find hardly anything on him, other than Pasco Tribune says he has a CWFL. But so does Senator Arthenia Joyner, by her own admission. whiskey-tango-foxtrot!?
ixtow
Founder's Club Member
She's up to her eyeballs in Bravo Sierra.
~*'Phoenix'*~
Regular Member
Yeah, they've all got CWL's, cause they're special and 'need' to be able to protect themselves. Though they'd probably all secretly love to be able to OC, full legal OC would give more power to us peons than it would give to them, so they don't like it...:lol: So, uh, senators, if you're reading this, your constituents are feeling really put-down, let-down, and dismissed by your sympathy to the anti-gun crowd, and will only support your next go at a reelection if you vote for 234!
Jon, let us know if you hear anything from Latvala, he's one of the mystery senators still. I wrote to him but of course I haven't gotten anything back.
ixtow
Founder's Club Member
I wonder how many of them just asked their secretaries "What does Bravo Sierra mean?" These are our overlords...
jonkknox
Regular Member
Will do. I'll have to call the office, too. Know if their offices are staffed during this week long break they get?
~*'Phoenix'*~
Regular Member
No idea sorry. I think they've golt assistants/secretaries in during any normal business hours.
Sgt J. Ivy
New member
i have emailed Joyner (i know a lost cause but still) montford, latvalam ring, hill, dtert, and bennett with what i thought is well thought out emails.
seminoles1999
New member
Current Status:
S 234
Firearms
Evers
04/18/2011 S Pending reference review -under Rule 4.7(2) - (Committee Substitute)
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RC Vote (04/15/11): http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/234
RC Video (04/15/11) (Begins at Time 129.30) : http://www.flsenate.gov/Committees/Show/RC/
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Bill Text - S 0234 (Change 2) - 04/18/11
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0234/BillText/c2/HTML
S 234
Firearms
Evers
04/18/2011 S Pending reference review -under Rule 4.7(2) - (Committee Substitute)
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RC Vote (04/15/11): http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/234
RC Video (04/15/11) (Begins at Time 129.30) : http://www.flsenate.gov/Committees/Show/RC/
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Bill Text - S 0234 (Change 2) - 04/18/11
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0234/BillText/c2/HTML
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oogotbagsoo
Regular Member
So far, only ONE response to all the emails I've sent out..
deserteagle50
Regular Member
all i ever get back are Auto responses !
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77zach
Regular Member
Watch the rules committee hearing. He is a moron. An anti-rights moron.
jonkknox
Regular Member
Talked with one of Senator Latvala's assistants in Tallahassee. She said she'd get the message to the senator. Let's hope..
oogotbagsoo
Regular Member
Got another response about 1hr after the generic email.. Not much info.
thanks, just sent him an email letting him know that I am watching...I am sure he will be scared...
The video on mine started at 137.30.
The guy named Ramsey did a fairly good job speaking in favor of the bill. I thank him for his efforts. However, someone needs to email him to take his hat off inside the chambers of the senate. It will offer more credibility to your message. Mrs. Hammer (?) made a good point on how many have been arrested as opposed to prosecuted.
I think this bill is still a crap shoot as to whether it is going to pass. I'm encouraged after watching the video but still in doubt it's going to pass. Those sheriffs are feeding bull&$*. I hope the senators didn't buy their crap. I'll be shooting emails routinely..
Rick H
Regular Member
This is the letter I want to send.
This is the letter I want to send. and would like a opinion on it first.
April 18, 2011
Subject: SB234
Dear Senator,
I as a Voter/American Citizen/Floridian, require that you vote YES on the up coming Senate Bill 234. Your positive approach to this bill is vital to it’s passing. And also will be vital in the next voting session for the State Senate. This bill at hand (SB234) will be a great opportunity to show THE PEOPLE that you see the American People and their rights as being that a RIGHT not a privilege that can not be and should not be infringed upon, passing this bill is also going to show the people of Florida that you can be trusted with the position you were appointed to.
Constitutionally this bill should never have been in front of this committee nor ever been illegal in the first place. This is our right as an American Citizen per the United States Constitution and the Florida Constitution and WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND OUR RIGHTS, I for one will not let this stand if you or the senate vote no on this bill and it fails. Our Governor has promised to sign this bill into law as soon as it hits his desk.
Let him take responsibilities for what is to come and not your futures in the public eye.
I ask that you to vote YES to this bill.
In addition, Law enforcement have stated that they should be the only ones allowed to Open Carry during all the committee meeting and that they are the only people qualified to do such, Well do some research into their claims and you will find that they have very little training (8 weeks to learn how to arrest, drive, paperwork, detainment, laws, and then finally firearm training, YES THAT IS IT (8) WEEKS, about (2) months. To be the only qualified persons. Then from there they only practice about (2 - 3) times a year when required to qualify.
Now lets get back to the requirements that is required of them. They “LEO” are not required to protect an individual from any crime, they are only to protect the people as a whole. Per The United States Supreme Court. So as to the people we must be able to protect ourselves with what ever means possible and have the right to do so per The United States Constitution as well as The Florida State Constitution.
People keep talking about how the tourist will feel when they come to Florida and see people walking around with visible guns and the answer is this,
1. The tourist mostly come from other states that already have the Open Carry policy
and will not be offended or effected because of this reason.
2. The States with open carry have very few people that take advantage of this type
of carrying and most likely will apply here in Florida in a short period of time.
3. This will in fact ease the stress that comes with Concealed carry as to
inadvertently showing their firearm.
4. Will allow people that are dressed is a suit jacket or other type of over heating
clothing to be allowed to remove such items and enjoy the weather here in Florida
without the need to be unarmed and unsafe.
5. Crime rates have dropped dramatically since the concealed carry has taken place
here in Florida. Open carry will in fact reduce the crime rate even further do to this
policy.
6. All of the Open Carry States have also claimed with statistics from the FBI, that
their streets are now even safer with this law in effect. Take for instance New
Hampshire and Vermont have the lowest crime rates per 100,000 people in their
State. whereas Chicago, D.C and New York with the most absurd laws and have
some of the highest crime rates in our nation, and are very unsafe that one might
not attempt to go outside during certain times of day or night due to the high crime
rate in their cities.
7. Our streets nor the other States that already allow this type of carry in place have
or will become “The Old WILD WILD WEST”, nor is there any “blood running onto the
streets”. or shoot outs with the LEO/fast draws in the center of town.
I could continue with this logic with you but will refrain as to not take anymore of your time, Instead ask that you will consider some of these points that I have pointed out to you and ask that you approve and support this Bill.
This is the letter I want to send. and would like a opinion on it first.
April 18, 2011
Subject: SB234
Dear Senator,
I as a Voter/American Citizen/Floridian, require that you vote YES on the up coming Senate Bill 234. Your positive approach to this bill is vital to it’s passing. And also will be vital in the next voting session for the State Senate. This bill at hand (SB234) will be a great opportunity to show THE PEOPLE that you see the American People and their rights as being that a RIGHT not a privilege that can not be and should not be infringed upon, passing this bill is also going to show the people of Florida that you can be trusted with the position you were appointed to.
Constitutionally this bill should never have been in front of this committee nor ever been illegal in the first place. This is our right as an American Citizen per the United States Constitution and the Florida Constitution and WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND OUR RIGHTS, I for one will not let this stand if you or the senate vote no on this bill and it fails. Our Governor has promised to sign this bill into law as soon as it hits his desk.
Let him take responsibilities for what is to come and not your futures in the public eye.
I ask that you to vote YES to this bill.
In addition, Law enforcement have stated that they should be the only ones allowed to Open Carry during all the committee meeting and that they are the only people qualified to do such, Well do some research into their claims and you will find that they have very little training (8 weeks to learn how to arrest, drive, paperwork, detainment, laws, and then finally firearm training, YES THAT IS IT (8) WEEKS, about (2) months. To be the only qualified persons. Then from there they only practice about (2 - 3) times a year when required to qualify.
Now lets get back to the requirements that is required of them. They “LEO” are not required to protect an individual from any crime, they are only to protect the people as a whole. Per The United States Supreme Court. So as to the people we must be able to protect ourselves with what ever means possible and have the right to do so per The United States Constitution as well as The Florida State Constitution.
People keep talking about how the tourist will feel when they come to Florida and see people walking around with visible guns and the answer is this,
1. The tourist mostly come from other states that already have the Open Carry policy
and will not be offended or effected because of this reason.
2. The States with open carry have very few people that take advantage of this type
of carrying and most likely will apply here in Florida in a short period of time.
3. This will in fact ease the stress that comes with Concealed carry as to
inadvertently showing their firearm.
4. Will allow people that are dressed is a suit jacket or other type of over heating
clothing to be allowed to remove such items and enjoy the weather here in Florida
without the need to be unarmed and unsafe.
5. Crime rates have dropped dramatically since the concealed carry has taken place
here in Florida. Open carry will in fact reduce the crime rate even further do to this
policy.
6. All of the Open Carry States have also claimed with statistics from the FBI, that
their streets are now even safer with this law in effect. Take for instance New
Hampshire and Vermont have the lowest crime rates per 100,000 people in their
State. whereas Chicago, D.C and New York with the most absurd laws and have
some of the highest crime rates in our nation, and are very unsafe that one might
not attempt to go outside during certain times of day or night due to the high crime
rate in their cities.
7. Our streets nor the other States that already allow this type of carry in place have
or will become “The Old WILD WILD WEST”, nor is there any “blood running onto the
streets”. or shoot outs with the LEO/fast draws in the center of town.
I could continue with this logic with you but will refrain as to not take anymore of your time, Instead ask that you will consider some of these points that I have pointed out to you and ask that you approve and support this Bill.