Open carry at library?

[The Big Guy]

Removed for videoing a public meeting?? Unless she was doing it in a disruptive manner, my thought is "What unbelievable BS!"

Agreed on your analysis of the AG's possible involvement - but don't NV's Sunshine Laws make it clear that open meetings are OPEN to such acts?

According to the article, the Commissioner stated that the meeting was a "quasi-judicial proceeding" and that she must have his permission to record. She has apparently filmed these meetings many times in the past with no problem. This was part of a 3 day fact finding hearing. I guess Commissioner David Noble must be a quasi-judge???

TBG

 

[garand_guy]

I made the Henderson Library Board of Trustee's meeting a while back!

While doing research for the on-going issues with the Las Vegas-Clark County District, I discovered that I was the subject of a discussion of a board of trustees’ discussion.

“Recently a gentleman came in with an open carry weapon. It appeared his purpose was to challenge someone to confront him. The admin team will meet with the district’s attorney, Brin Gibson, and go through the applicable laws to decide what the district’s stance should be. This may result in a policy update brought back to the Board. There haven’t been any real problems; this was just something a little out of the ordinary. Jim Frey asked how the situation was resolved. Angela Thornton said staff asked him to leave. He said he didn’t have to, but did leave soon after. He wanted to prove a point. Angela Thornton said in Oklahoma libraries are considered government buildings where weapons are not allowed. If the Board has any questions they should direct them to Angela Thornton. The meeting is scheduled for October 1st.” (9/18/2014)

https://www.mypubliclibrary.com/catalog/library/userdef/images/board/minutes_20140918.pdf

“The admin team and branch managers met with the library district’s attorney Brin Gibson about the open carry issue. The law allows for a person to openly carry a firearm [holstered] in the library, but it is against the law to carry a concealed weapon [even with a permit] in the library. The library staff response will be to call the police to ask any person open carrying about their intentions to ensure they are someone who can carry legally, safely and responsibly in the library. If a person is carrying an unholstered weapon, staff will pull the fire alarm and call 911. Gayle Hornaday said the situation rarely occurs. On the rare occasion a person has open carried in the library, he did so to make a statement. (10/16/2015)

https://www.mypubliclibrary.com/catalog/library/userdef/images/board/minutes_20141016.pdf

The good part is that Henderson (even its library district) is a lot more respectful towards the law and laid back than Las Vegas/Clark County is. The Henderson Library District took the “live and let live” route and didn’t decide to violate state law. The library staff and board may disagree, but they did so respectfully and obeyed the law. Bravo!

The Las Vegas-Clark County Library District needs to take a page out of Henderson’s book and adopt the same tactic. Educate the staff, stop harassing those legally openly carrying firearms, and this ‘issue’ goes away. There won’t be an influx of open carriers or a sudden pandemic of violence. No one’s kickers will get in a knot and the district won’t wind up get sued by somebody. If they just let open carriers alone, they’d be surprised at what a total non-issue it would be.

And I plastered it on the blog too. Maybe I can get in the newspaper too! Lol

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

I made the Henderson Library Board of Trustee's meeting a while back!

While doing research for the on-going issues with the Las Vegas-Clark County District, I discovered that I was the subject of a discussion of a board of trustees’ discussion.



I couldn't easily copy paste the quotes posted, but I did do a Nevada Bar search for their supposed attorney, while it might be a nickname or something... There is no Bin Gibson listed as an attorney in Nevada.

 

[07yzryder]

I made the Henderson Library Board of Trustee's meeting a while back!

While doing research for the on-going issues with the Las Vegas-Clark County District, I discovered that I was the subject of a discussion of a board of trustees’ discussion.



I couldn't easily copy paste the quotes posted, but I did do a Nevada Bar search for their supposed attorney, while it might be a nickname or something... There is no Bin Gibson listed as an attorney in Nevada.

Might be this guy? Brin could be a middle name.

http://lionelsawyer-com.securec58.e...cfm?page_id=53&page=attorney_profile&atid=409

 

[garand_guy]

I had to catch myself. Spellcheck wanted to call him 'Brian', but I took the quotes directly from the minutes.

 

[The Big Guy]

I made the Henderson Library Board of Trustee's meeting a while back!

While doing research for the on-going issues with the Las Vegas-Clark County District, I discovered that I was the subject of a discussion of a board of trustees’ discussion.



https://www.mypubliclibrary.com/catalog/library/userdef/images/board/minutes_20140918.pdf



https://www.mypubliclibrary.com/catalog/library/userdef/images/board/minutes_20141016.pdf

The good part is that Henderson (even its library district) is a lot more respectful towards the law and laid back than Las Vegas/Clark County is. The Henderson Library District took the “live and let live” route and didn’t decide to violate state law. The library staff and board may disagree, but they did so respectfully and obeyed the law. Bravo!

The Las Vegas-Clark County Library District needs to take a page out of Henderson’s book and adopt the same tactic. Educate the staff, stop harassing those legally openly carrying firearms, and this ‘issue’ goes away. There won’t be an influx of open carriers or a sudden pandemic of violence. No one’s kickers will get in a knot and the district won’t wind up get sued by somebody. If they just let open carriers alone, they’d be surprised at what a total non-issue it would be.

And I plastered it on the blog too. Maybe I can get in the newspaper too! Lol

Only took them a year to make a decision...

Of note: Even though they know that it's legal, they still are going to call the police to have the OC checked to see if they are legal to carry. Hmmmmm. Would this be considered harassment?

If they see a bad guy with an un-holstered handgun they are going to pull the fire alarm first????? Then call 911 and get put on hold for 5-10 minutes while the fire department is in route to a possible active shooting situation. The patrons are now in mass rushing for the doors. Did anyone really think this through? The answer to that question of course is 'NO'.

TBG

 

[Bernymac]

Are these people transplants from California, by any chance???

 

[Dario]

According to the article, the Commissioner stated that the meeting was a "quasi-judicial proceeding" and that she must have his permission to record. She has apparently filmed these meetings many times in the past with no problem. This was part of a 3 day fact finding hearing. I guess Commissioner David Noble must be a quasi-judge???

TBG

That eerily reminds of the Chronicles of Riddick, where he is taken before the quasi-deads.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

Letter to the library districts attorney... (I think)

Dear Mr. Gibson,

I have been informed that you represent the library distinct in legal matters. If that is the case, I would like to invite you and library district personnel to a round table discussion regarding The library's, the law and firearms. with actual firearm owners who carry on a daily basis. I am not in a leadership role of any sort, but I firmly believe that if you accept my offer to discuss the issues in an open casual setting, folks interested in the firearms issue will attend. If you can make time, it could be beneficial for all.

Sincerely,

Tread

 

[BB62]

According to the article, the Commissioner stated that the meeting was a "quasi-judicial proceeding" and that she must have his permission to record. She has apparently filmed these meetings many times in the past with no problem. This was part of a 3 day fact finding hearing. I guess Commissioner David Noble must be a quasi-judge???

Yeah, that must be it! I'm sure the Commissioner, et al, are all part of the NV Bar.

 

[The Big Guy]

Dear Mr. Gibson,

I have been informed that you represent the library distinct in legal matters. If that is the case, I would like to invite you and library district personnel to a round table discussion regarding The library's, the law and firearms. with actual firearm owners who carry on a daily basis. I am not in a leadership role of any sort, but I firmly believe that if you accept my offer to discuss the issues in an open casual setting, folks interested in the firearms issue will attend. If you can make time, it could be beneficial for all.

Sincerely,

Tread

Tread, is your thought just to put their minds at ease, or do you have another purpose for the meeting? They have already agreed they are bound by state law.

I certainly would attend if it fits my schedule.

Thanks for your continual efforts.

TBG

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

Tread, is your thought just to put their minds at ease, or do you have another purpose for the meeting? They have already agreed they are bound by state law.

I certainly would attend if it fits my schedule.

Thanks for your continual efforts.

TBG

Pretty much just additional pressure I doubt very much they will agree, but we will always be the side that offered this way. also their is some opportunity to put pressure on the Nevada Bar association if we obtain evidence the attorney is guiding the library district to break the law. I plan on contacting the private security firm as well, when I find out who it is. Is this the wrong person to contact? am I mixing Henderson, and LV. Are they different? Now I am confused.

 

[The Big Guy]

Pretty much just additional pressure I doubt very much they will agree, but we will always be the side that offered this way. also their is some opportunity to put pressure on the Nevada Bar association if we obtain evidence the attorney is guiding the library district to break the law. I plan on contacting the private security firm as well, when I find out who it is. Is this the wrong person to contact? am I mixing Henderson, and LV. Are they different? Now I am confused.

Gibson is the attorney for Henderson District Library. There are two systems, Henderson and Clark County. Henderson appears, reluctantly, to be on board with state law now. On to Clark County District Library. The fact that legal council for Henderson has determined that they can't exclude open carry, that "should" carry some weight with the county system. No part of Clark County has ever been accused of common sense however.

TBG

 

[Vegassteve]

I posted the info for the Clark lawyer in this thread.

 

[The Big Guy]

I made the Henderson Library Board of Trustee's meeting a while back!

While doing research for the on-going issues with the Las Vegas-Clark County District, I discovered that I was the subject of a discussion of a board of trustees’ discussion.



https://www.mypubliclibrary.com/catalog/library/userdef/images/board/minutes_20140918.pdf



https://www.mypubliclibrary.com/catalog/library/userdef/images/board/minutes_20141016.pdf

The good part is that Henderson (even its library district) is a lot more respectful towards the law and laid back than Las Vegas/Clark County is. The Henderson Library District took the “live and let live” route and didn’t decide to violate state law. The library staff and board may disagree, but they did so respectfully and obeyed the law. Bravo!

The Las Vegas-Clark County Library District needs to take a page out of Henderson’s book and adopt the same tactic. Educate the staff, stop harassing those legally openly carrying firearms, and this ‘issue’ goes away. There won’t be an influx of open carriers or a sudden pandemic of violence. No one’s kickers will get in a knot and the district won’t wind up get sued by somebody. If they just let open carriers alone, they’d be surprised at what a total non-issue it would be.

And I plastered it on the blog too. Maybe I can get in the newspaper too! Lol

I think just for grins and giggles I'm going to contact Henderson Chief of Police Moers to find out about responding to calls from the library regarding Open Carriers. I will send him a copy of the
Library board minutes where it spells out their new policy is that they will call police each time they see an OC'er in the library to have them investigate to see if that person is qualified to carry safely in the library. Will they respond?

I may just send an email to the Fire Chief as well concerning their policy of pulling the fire alarm if they see a unholstered firearm.

TBG

 

[28kfps]

they will call police each time they see an OC'er in the library to have them investigate to see if that person is qualified to carry safely in the library.

TBG

Other than being a legal gun owner I would ask them to show the list of needed qualifications.

 

[Joe LeFors]

November board meeting moved.

Just a thought, seeing as the Nov. board meeting has been moved to the Library on West Charleston right next to the College of Nevada.
I wonder why they moved the meeting...hmmmm

Is the library ON school property and a "Gun Free Zone"

And now it looks like they have two meetings be held simultaneously.

 

[garand_guy]

Just a thought, seeing as the Nov. board meeting has been moved to the Library on West Charleston right next to the College of Nevada.
I wonder why they moved the meeting...hmmmm

Is the library ON school property and a "Gun Free Zone"

And now it looks like they have two meetings be held simultaneously.

IIRC, it went Windmill>Enterprise>W. Charleston. I'm not sure, but now I'm tracking it. I think they have to give 3 days notice of the correct location if I understand Nevada's version of the Brown Act correctly.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

I have not researched it, but normally the property belongs to the entity in control, leasing renting or occupied by. The military recruiting centers are often in a strip mall, but federal law takes precedence in the unit the occupy.

So the state may have a parcel of land, and divided it up, part college, part library, and a fire station on the corner. They would be operated as three separate properties.

 

[garand_guy]

Library Board Meeting
Thursday (11/12) at 6:00pm

West Charleston Library
6301 W Charleston Blvd, Las Vegas, Nevada 89146

Las Vegas-Clark County Board of Trustees meeting. Our turn to speak out over the open carry problems. Only 15 speakers allowed before times are cut down.