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Open carry at library?

solus

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The "justice system?" here in S. Nevada Is handled differently than a lot of other places. I challenged the enforcement of the helmet law, and realized that they would never let the ticket go to a trial, where it could be appealed to the supreme court. Up until that point, the prosecutors would be all about convicting you... once the point of no return was reached, they would fold. Same happened at my obstruction case, Once I appealed to District court, and paid $300 for a transcript the DA had a "Moral Moment" (1) telling the bald judge how I had been mistreated, as my discovery was never produced yada yada and he thought it in the best interest of human kind to dismiss, lol.

What I am getting at is this. I do not believe a library arrest will ever see a trial court that would set precedence unless we think out of the box. Here is what I feel gives us the best chance, Once someone gets a citation (arrest) Same standing (2). they will have a pre trial hearing and plead not guilty. This is allowed as it is the time for you to sweat the bogus charges and hire an atty. etc. There s then a little known short window 10 - 30 days which you can file in Federal court to have your case removed. I believe we would have standing in this arena because Open carry beyond Schools day cares leg bldgs, is not regulated by the state. Had Nevada wanted no firearms in the library's they certainly could have put that in the law. yet they did not.

If you have to appeal the Federal case (likely) it will go up to San Fransisco to the 9th circuit, Not necessarily known for being gun friendly, but it most likely would be on appealed on an administrative item.
That is probably the best avenue for change, through the courts.

I have another idea, that we can mull over, it is one I think should be discussed in person between interested party's

Your blatant ignorance of law speaks volumes. (3) I did not pay the DA a dime. I paid the court clerk $10.00 for the video of my hearing took it to a private 3rd party stenographer type lady, who's husband loved the fact I was OC. I dropped the video off to the nice lady, and a few days later picked up the transcript as well as the video. I then put the video on you tube, It has close to 1.5 million views, and the advertising sold, has paid for the transcript many times over.

As far as someone giving advice to get arrested, I would like to know who you think is giving such advise.(2)

The helmet video has about 2 million views... It is not enough to retire on but certainly more profitable than paying the ticket as you advised. How much money do you make off of your video showing you standing in the line of sheep offering your money to your master? Dude you live life on the edge... how do you deal with the excitement.

bolding and parenthesis numbering added by me...

humm initial post (1) says you paid 300 for a transcript...nice of you to complete the thought in your second post, including the out of the blue comments about videos etc...

now, to address your other concern...let's see who would be giving advice (not advise) to get arrested, perhaps i misread (2) in your original post...no you specifically state: quote: here is WHAT I FEEL...once someone gets a citation (arrest) same standing. unquote. sorry you were saying?

finally, rereading my posts...not sure where i even mentioned NV statutes so not sure how you reached the perception i was, let alone offering my interpretation of them incorrectly?

glad your video is doing so well...as for the edge...you will truly never appreciate until you walk in my shoes...

ipse
 
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Vegassteve

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OCDO and the sub forums are open to all registered users, and none are restricted by where one lives (members only)

If a particular post or poster/user is vexing to you, it isn't but so difficult to ignore and simply move on w/o adding to your personal distraction. OTOH - you might pick up a good idea or two.

Insulting others is not only a violation of our rules, but diminishes you in the eyes of the readers.

Sure its open to others from around the country BUT when they know nothing of the law in our state they should not speak as though they do.

Ignore? Sure easy to do.

There is also the little button to report a post but I guess the Mods dont read those and instead seem to chastise the very guy ,GarandGuy, who actually lives here and is doing some of the work.

Those other so called Vexing Posters, just confuse the newbies around here though. I have already in private had to correct things a couple of newbs thought were right when they were not. All thanks to those vexing posters sticking vexing noses in this thread.
 

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--sniped--

There is also the little button to report a post but I guess the Mods dont read those and instead seem to chastise the very guy ,GarandGuy, who actually lives here and is doing some of the work.
"Chastise" as applied is a distortion. No criticism for what he was/is doing.

He went one step too far, recognized it, and corrected. Please put your broad brush away - the Administration/Mods are not your enemy.
 

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...Those other so called Vexing Posters, just confuse the newbies around here though. I have already in private had to correct things a couple of newbs thought were right when they were not. All thanks to those vexing posters sticking vexing noses in this thread.
"Vexing Posters"... <shakes head, rolls eyes>

If you have something to correct, rather than doing so privately, where only those who contacted you will be the beneficiaries of such a correction - you ought to do so in public, where ALL can benefit.
 

turborich

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Come on guys, who cares if somebody spells a word wrong or structures a sentence in a way that you see unfit? Who cares if somebody wasted a few hundred bucks in your opinion? At least these people are actively doing something for the greater cause. Get behind them and offer your support or simply move on. Garbage like this ruins a lot of good forums. I for one am sick and tired of people thinking that their sh!t don't stink and simply come on here to criticize. :banghead:
 

MAC702

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The latest update I have from our state reps is they are preparing a press release. They will let us know before it goes out.

Wouldn't now be a good time to make sure the sheriff's offices are SPECIFICALLY mentioned along with libraries and other public buildings?
 

Joe LeFors

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The latest update I have from our state reps is they are preparing a press release. They will let us know before it goes out.
Good News or it could be bad news, we don't know, but you guys did the "Leg work". So from one Nevadan to another Nevadan THANK YOU.
 

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Something else to think about here. The Lib it seems really knows they dont have a case. If they did then the threat would be arrest and not trespass. As that is what NRS 202.3673 calls for.

I am trying to find any info on being trespassed from a gov building in Nevada and so far only find private party info.
 

DON`T TREAD ON ME

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The Sheriffs offices are particularly crucial, I have OC'ed NLV and NHP with no issues recently. At first there was confrontation, There is video footage. As far as METRO goes, they (up until Leg season) claim the "spirit" of the law authorizes them to trespass OC'ers. They fall short of that in my experience, when serving a summons, they barged us outside and brought out the clerk to accept service. It was quite professional. lol
 

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07yzryder, You posted this on another site for which I'm not a member.
'Be advised even if you have a CCW, there are certain locations where you will not be able to take your weapons, concealed or open carry, such as airports and other such public buildings. If there are signs posted, you cannot take your weapon into that establishment. On private property, if the property owner does not want weapons, it is at his discretion to say no firearms allowed.'

I relationship to the airport. Is the entire airport off limits including the parking lots and garage to CC & OC, or just the areas beyond security?
 

The Big Guy

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07yzryder, You posted this on another site for which I'm not a member.
'Be advised even if you have a CCW, there are certain locations where you will not be able to take your weapons, concealed or open carry, such as airports and other such public buildings. If there are signs posted, you cannot take your weapon into that establishment. On private property, if the property owner does not want weapons, it is at his discretion to say no firearms allowed.'

I relationship to the airport. Is the entire airport off limits including the parking lots and garage to CC & OC, or just the areas beyond security?

Only sterile areas of the airport are off limits to OC. Many of us on the site have carried in the public areas many times.

Public buildings are NOT off limits to OC either. Only CC if they are posted at each public entrance.

Signs on private buildings carry no weight in law and can be ignored.

TBG
 

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Thank You Big guy
I plan on being at the Enterprise Library 11-12 6pm for the meeting.

JL
 

Vegassteve

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Email I got from the nvfac

Steve,

We have a member who is doing a FOIA to set the ground work for a formal challenge.

We’ll see how they respond to that.

We want to build the document case so we can file complaint with Attorney General and District Attorney.



For Freedom

Don Turner, NVFAC
 

07yzryder

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07yzryder, You posted this on another site for which I'm not a member.
'Be advised even if you have a CCW, there are certain locations where you will not be able to take your weapons, concealed or open carry, such as airports and other such public buildings. If there are signs posted, you cannot take your weapon into that establishment. On private property, if the property owner does not want weapons, it is at his discretion to say no firearms allowed.'

I relationship to the airport. Is the entire airport off limits including the parking lots and garage to CC & OC, or just the areas beyond security?

Joe,
just to confirm I did not write that, it was a copy paste of the email sent to me by metro. for others here it is below. Airport is completely off limits to CCW, BUT open carry is allowed in non secure areas i have heard.

We cannot provide legal advice to you as to how to interpret recently passed laws. What I can tell you is that we receive notifications regarding arrests/citations of all CCW Holders. This type of arrest, being a nonviolent crime, does not meet the requirements of NRS 202.3657 as far as your CCW privileges. Your CCW would still be valid.

Be advised even if you have a CCW, there are certain locations where you will not be able to take your weapons, concealed or open carry, such as airports and other such public buildings. If there are signs posted, you cannot take your weapon into that establishment. On private property, if the property owner does not want weapons, it is at his discretion to say no firearms allowed.

@vegassteve if don and them actually take steps to make it happen i will join their organization. it seemed to me they are starting to get "too big" and focusing on the main hurdles while the ones that effect the small portion go unnoticed. When i say too big i mean similar to NRA where they only take up large cases.
 
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Trespass from public building.

In the Tues Oct 27 LV Review Journal, Section B, page 1, there is an article titled "Gadfly with video cam is evicted."

This is about a woman who was trespassed from a PUC (Public Utilities Commission) meeting for filming the meeting. She was told to leave by the presiding Commissioner David Noble who then called Metro. She was removed and cited. She stated that she did not know that she could be trespassed from a public meeting, and plans to fight the charge.

Assemblywoman Shelly Shelton, who attended the meeting and filmed the interaction with police, said "the incident warrants additional scrutiny, perhaps even a legal opinion from Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt."

A favorable outcome of this could be very beneficial to us in our argument with the Library and other public buildings.

TBG
 

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In the Tues Oct 27 LV Review Journal, Section B, page 1, there is an article titled "Gadfly with video cam is evicted."

This is about a woman who was trespassed from a PUC (Public Utilities Commission) meeting for filming the meeting. She was told to leave by the presiding Commissioner David Noble who then called Metro. She was removed and cited. She stated that she did not know that she could be trespassed from a public meeting, and plans to fight the charge.

Assemblywoman Shelly Shelton, who attended the meeting and filmed the interaction with police, said "the incident warrants additional scrutiny, perhaps even a legal opinion from Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt."

A favorable outcome of this could be very beneficial to us in our argument with the Library and other public buildings.

TBG
Removed for videoing a public meeting?? Unless she was doing it in a disruptive manner, my thought is "What unbelievable BS!"

Agreed on your analysis of the AG's possible involvement - but don't NV's Sunshine Laws make it clear that open meetings are OPEN to such acts?
 
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