Open carry at library?

[BB62]

...NRS 239.052  Fees: Limitations; waiver; posting of sign or notice.

1.  Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, a governmental entity may charge a fee for providing a copy of a public record. Such a fee must not exceed the actual cost to the governmental entity to provide the copy of the public record unless a specific statute or regulation sets a fee that the governmental entity must charge for the copy. A governmental entity shall not charge a fee for providing a copy of a public record if a specific statute or regulation requires the governmental entity to provide the copy without charge...

That section of law appears poorly worded. Does NV law say that the requester can be charged for research/access time, or is the "actual cost" that of photocopying cost?

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

That section of law appears poorly worded. Does NV law say that the requester can be charged for research/access time, or is the "actual cost" that of photocopying cost?

Thank you for the grammar help. If you look at my older posts you will see I have been ridiculed for my writing, my first letters sucked but they get better all the time, which is why I tend to strike back at people who criticize only.

As far as your comment on the statute, I think you are correct, the reason I used bold on the part where the government can not charge more than it costs the government agency... is if the government agency is of, by, and for the people, it is not paying anything... we are. what a fun item to put in front of a judge.

 

[garand_guy]

Beware the p----d off American citizen who knows how to push paper back at paper pushers! It's our right, our government, and our tax dollars at work and we'll be darned if a bureaucrat decides to enforce their anti-gun agenda on us illegally.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

Does anyone know the name of the security firm, who posts guards at the library's?

 

[Vegassteve]

Does anyone know the name of the security firm, who posts guards at the library's?

Sorry nope.

 

[Vegassteve]

So someone with the screen name Cutter just posted in the chat window at Nevada shooters that he and someone else were escorted off Summerlin Library for open carry. I have directed him here.


UPDATE Never mind. He was tossed from The Summerlin shopping center not the Library.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

The "justice system?" here in S. Nevada Is handled differently than a lot of other places. I challenged the enforcement of the helmet law, and realized that they would never let the ticket go to a trial, where it could be appealed to the supreme court. Up until that point, the prosecutors would be all about convicting you... once the point of no return was reached, they would fold. Same happened at my obstruction case, Once I appealed to District court, and paid $300 for a transcript the DA had a "Moral Moment" telling the bald judge how I had been mistreated, as my discovery was never produced yada yada and he thought it in the best interest of human kind to dismiss, lol.

What I am getting at is this. I do not believe a library arrest will ever see a trial court that would set precedence unless we think out of the box. Here is what I feel gives us the best chance, Once someone gets a citation (arrest) Same standing. they will have a pre trial hearing and plead not guilty. This is allowed as it is the time for you to sweat the bogus charges and hire an atty. etc. There s then a little known short window 10 - 30 days which you can file in Federal court to have your case removed. I believe we would have standing in this arena because Open carry beyond Schools day cares leg bldgs, is not regulated by the state. Had Nevada wanted no firearms in the library's they certainly could have put that in the law. yet they did not.

If you have to appeal the Federal case (likely) it will go up to San Fransisco to the 9th circuit, Not necessarily known for being gun friendly, but it most likely would be on appealed on an administrative item.
That is probably the best avenue for change, through the courts.

I have another idea, that we can mull over, it is one I think should be discussed in person between interested party's

 

[garand_guy]

Well, if the library wants to take the easy way out and get charges dropped, that's perfect. We can then inform the public that the library won't bother to press their charges.

There is an attorney involved who is discussing the citation and suit option. I don't have much info and don't want to go into much more detail, but there is stuff in the works. All of us are working on the long-game here.

First the board meeting, and if we need to, we'll protest! Oh, and several gun owners want to present the library board with $10 to reimburse them for the cost of purchasing the land for the new Mesquite library.

 

[BB62]

Thank you for the grammar help. If you look at my older posts you will see I have been ridiculed for my writing, my first letters sucked but they get better all the time, which is why I tend to strike back at people who criticize only...

I know nothing about your previous grammar problems, but as I imagine you've found out, striking back at those who criticize is counterproductive.

...As far as your comment on the statute, I think you are correct, the reason I used bold on the part where the government can not charge more than it costs the government agency... is if the government agency is of, by, and for the people, it is not paying anything... we are. what a fun item to put in front of a judge.

Yes, but that's my point - in certain states, what it "costs" is the cost for research PLUS the cost for photocopying. You may want to find legal precedence that makes clear just what "cost" is just in case the library wants to jerk you around with a FULL cost claim.

 

[solus]

The "justice system?" here in S. Nevada Is handled differently than a lot of other places. I challenged the enforcement of the helmet law, and realized that they would never let the ticket go to a trial, where it could be appealed to the supreme court. Up until that point, the prosecutors would be all about convicting you... once the point of no return was reached, they would fold. Same happened at my obstruction case, Once I appealed to District court, and paid $300 for a transcript the DA had a "Moral Moment" telling the bald judge how I had been mistreated, as my discovery was never produced yada yada and he thought it in the best interest of human kind to dismiss, lol.

What I am getting at is this. I do not believe a library arrest will ever see a trial court that would set precedence unless we think out of the box. Here is what I feel gives us the best chance, Once someone gets a citation (arrest) Same standing. they will have a pre trial hearing and plead not guilty. This is allowed as it is the time for you to sweat the bogus charges and hire an atty. etc. There s then a little known short window 10 - 30 days which you can file in Federal court to have your case removed. I believe we would have standing in this arena because Open carry beyond Schools day cares leg bldgs, is not regulated by the state. Had Nevada wanted no firearms in the library's they certainly could have put that in the law. yet they did not.

If you have to appeal the Federal case (likely) it will go up to San Fransisco to the 9th circuit, Not necessarily known for being gun friendly, but it most likely would be on appealed on an administrative item.
That is probably the best avenue for change, through the courts.

I have another idea, that we can mull over, it is one I think should be discussed in person between interested party's

hummm, the cost of the ticket was?? and through your actions you got what changed in the helmet statutes? oh did the DA give you a pat on your butt or even thank you for the $300...?

I truly believe you sincerely feel an arrest at the library would never see a trial, so when are you stepping out to get arrested as the test case?

oh, for your info...i would be hypercritical of your gofundme advert out here on the forum...

ipse

 

[garand_guy]

EDIT: I don't want others quoting this, even though it's available in others' quotes. I don't want to be encouraging any more bad behavior by people agreeing with what I said.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

ipse

It appears you misspelled oops!

 

[BB62]

Okay, it's really time for the non-Nevadans to go away. It's really stopped being helpful and now it's just criticism and sniping at people.

Drop the attitudes and offer actual advice or leave. I'm tired of seeing garbage about grammar, critiques of how we are or are planning to do things. You're not here, you've fought nothing in Nevada, and you're not helping.

Go be snotty elsewhere. The rest of us have work to do.

Oh, puhleese!

If you don't like something that's been said, whoever it is who is saying it, or you just want to feel warm and fuzzy talking to "your own kind", simply use OCDO's "Ignore" function.

Some people will no doubt think they'll be "protected" and more "efficient/effective" by taking such a step, but no doubt others will be wise enough to see that, except in very limited circumstances, that "protection" is the equivalent of putting blinders on.

 

[solus]

It appears you misspelled oops!

twas nice of you to answer the question raised in my post since you did in fact bring the subject up...there are some, who could find themselves in a similar situation, which might have appreciated how spending $300 for a transcript verses spending a couple of bucks paying the fine would help them!

nor did you respond in the affirmative to being the test case and get arrested to help the cause.

just saying...

ipse

 

[Grapeshot]

Okay, it's really time for the non-Nevadans to go away. It's really stopped being helpful and now it's just criticism and sniping at people.

Drop the attitudes and offer actual advice or leave. I'm tired of seeing garbage about grammar, critiques of how we are or are planning to do things. You're not here, you've fought nothing in Nevada, and you're not helping.

Go be snotty elsewhere. The rest of us have work to do.

OCDO and the sub forums are open to all registered users, and none are restricted by where one lives (members only)

If a particular post or poster/user is vexing to you, it isn't but so difficult to ignore and simply move on w/o adding to your personal distraction. OTOH - you might pick up a good idea or two.

Insulting others is not only a violation of our rules, but diminishes you in the eyes of the readers.

 

[solus]

Okay, it's really time for the non-Nevadans to go away. It's really stopped being helpful and now it's just criticism and sniping at people.

Drop the attitudes and offer actual advice or leave. I'm tired of seeing garbage about grammar, critiques of how we are or are planning to do things. You're not here, you've fought nothing in Nevada, and you're not helping.

Go be snotty elsewhere. The rest of us have work to do.

ok, however, not to be sour grapes here....but, it does seem like tho you got more support for your cause from the 'yahoos' than you did with your own grassroot entity...might wish to read those posts which stated...they are ignoring me or won't call me back or...

oh follow the one blokes advice and you get arrested, become test cases, and don't forget to have the DA's transcript $$$$ available to let the nice DA drop the case.

ipse

small interesting side note: all the outsiders who provided some tips have gotten is called names...notice you didn't call your NV grassroots names...hummm

 

[garand_guy]

I must apologize for the tone of frustration I aired. I found it irksome to see a back-and-forth over issues of grammar and seeing, what I felt to be, petty squabbles that didn't contribute to the goal which we are trying to achieve. Forgive me for getting a bit petulant and for a moment becoming part of what I was frustrated with.

 

[Joe LeFors]

Okay, it's really time for the non-Nevadans to go away. It's really stopped being helpful and now it's just criticism and sniping at people.

Drop the attitudes and offer actual advice or leave. I'm tired of seeing garbage about grammar, critiques of how we are or are planning to do things. You're not here, you've fought nothing in Nevada, and you're not helping.

Go be snotty elsewhere. The rest of us have work to do.

I agree with you 100%
Kind of like the Bloomberg people sticking their know-it-all nose in states where it does not belong.

 

[Grapeshot]

I must apologize for the tone of frustration I aired. I found it irksome to see a back-and-forth over issues of grammar and seeing, what I felt to be, petty squabbles that didn't contribute to the goal which we are trying to achieve. Forgive me for getting a bit petulant and for a moment becoming part of what I was frustrated with.

Salute.

I agree with you 100%
Kind of like the Bloomberg people sticking their know-it-all nose in states where it does not belong.

Please read my reply #117 and offer no more insults.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

ok, however, not to be sour grapes here....but, it does seem like tho you got more support for your cause from the 'yahoos' than you did with your own grassroot entity...might wish to read those posts which stated...they are ignoring me or won't call me back or...

oh follow the one blokes advice and you get arrested, become test cases, and don't forget to have the DA's transcript $$$$ available to let the nice DA drop the case.

ipse

small interesting side note: all the outsiders who provided some tips have gotten is called names...notice you didn't call your NV grassroots names...hummm

Your blatant ignorance of law speaks volumes. I did not pay the DA a dime. I paid the court clerk $10.00 for the video of my hearing took it to a private 3rd party stenographer type lady, who's husband loved the fact I was OC. I dropped the video off to the nice lady, and a few days later picked up the transcript as well as the video. I then put the video on you tube, It has close to 1.5 million views, and the advertising sold, has paid for the transcript many times over.

As far as someone giving advice to get arrested, I would like to know who you think is giving such advise.

The helmet video has about 2 million views... It is not enough to retire on but certainly more profitable than paying the ticket as you advised. How much money do you make off of your video showing you standing in the line of sheep offering your money to your master? Dude you live life on the edge... how do you deal with the excitement.