List Your Open Carry Experiences Here

[Bikenut]

Finally healing up enough to get out and about the last couple of days and open carried in....

Clio...
Taco Bell, Menards, and McDonalds

Saginaw...
Taco Bell

Bridgeport...
Independent Bank, Rite Aid, and Family Dollar

As usual no one cared one bit.

 

[fozzy71]

Doesn't allow any carry. 5/3 got real skittish after the branch on Portage Rd out by the airport got hit multiple times in one year. They now employ armed security guards at several of their locations.

When they put the sign up at my bank I promptly opened an account at a CU without such a policy and closed my 5/3 account.

 

[xmanhockey7]

Have to wonder what their post orders are. Observe & report or take action to protect & defend customers?

Probably take action to protect the banks assets. Customer lives aren't that important

 

[Grapeshot]

Probably take action to protect the banks assets. Customer lives aren't that important

They can sit on their assets and survive.

Money can be replaced - lives not so much.

 

[Hevymetal]

When they put the sign up at my bank I promptly opened an account at a CU without such a policy and closed my 5/3 account.

Was told by the local 5/3 branch manager over here. "Just cover it when you come in, we all know you and aren't worried about you." I had been OCing at that location longer then she has been manager. I went to elementary school with the previous manager and OCed there for years after I brought in a stack of OC literature with the applicable OC and CPL laws and educated them all.

The new manager didn't have an issue with it either UNTIL the corporate mandate came down. I believe she knew I would have an issue with being told not to bring in my gun. We had several discussions about carry and the 2nd amendment. Hence the "Just cover it." comment.

Sooooo... out of courtesy and respect for her and laziness on my part, until I am actually warned not to, I just sort of cover it when walking in now. (Yes, I know, Move my accounts. That requires too much effort at the moment.) but no one at this branch really cares, until they get a new employee I don't know and they freak out. I guess when I am legally threatened to not carry there then I will put forth the effort and move my accounts.

Now my credit union ROCKS! They fully support OC/CC by members. We are all partial owners after all Carried there in one form or another for over 24 years. Actually had a few tellers over the years get their CPL as a result of my relentless pro-carry discussions with them.

 

[DeSchaine]

Just as a point of fact: it's been two days since the shootings here in Kalamazoo, and in the places I've been in those two days, no one has (as near as I can tell) noticed my sidearm, let alone freaked out about it.

 

[OC for ME]

Was told by the local 5/3 branch manager over here. "Just cover it when you come in, we all know you and aren't worried about you." I had been OCing at that location longer then she has been manager. I went to elementary school with the previous manager and OCed there for years after I brought in a stack of OC literature with the applicable OC and CPL laws and educated them all.

The new manager didn't have an issue with it either UNTIL the corporate mandate came down. I believe she knew I would have an issue with being told not to bring in my gun. We had several discussions about carry and the 2nd amendment. Hence the "Just cover it." comment.

Sooooo... out of courtesy and respect for her and laziness on my part, until I am actually warned not to, I just sort of cover it when walking in now. (Yes, I know, Move my accounts. That requires too much effort at the moment.) but no one at this branch really cares, until they get a new employee I don't know and they freak out. I guess when I am legally threatened to not carry there then I will put forth the effort and move my accounts.

Now my credit union ROCKS! They fully support OC/CC by members. We are all partial owners after all Carried there in one form or another for over 24 years. Actually had a few tellers over the years get their CPL as a result of my relentless pro-carry discussions with them.

5/3 extends privileged status to you (alone it appears).
CU recognizes our right without reservation it seems.
Hmm...

 

[Bikenut]

OC'd briefly at Olive Garden in Saginaw. Their credit card and gift card server was down and I couldn't cash in my gift card so my friend and I decided to have Chinese food instead so we went to Panda King in Frankenmuth.

People noticed my sidearm at both places yet nary a word was said.. no women ran away shrieking in terror.. no little children poo'd themselves.. and no manly men puffed out their testosterone filled chests. No one cared one bit. Exactly as it should be.

However I suspect my Sunday attire of black dress shirt, black pants, black shoes, black sunglasses, and white tie, might have lent an air of respectability to my appearance.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut

OC'd briefly at Olive Garden in Saginaw. Their credit card and gift card server was down and I couldn't cash in my gift card so my friend and I decided to have Chinese food instead so we went to Panda King in Frankenmuth.

People noticed my sidearm at both places yet nary a word was said.. no women ran away shrieking in terror.. no little children poo'd themselves.. and no manly men puffed out their testosterone filled chests. No one cared one bit. Exactly as it should be.

However I suspect my Sunday attire of black dress shirt, black pants, black shoes, black sunglasses, and white tie, might have lent an air of respectability to my appearance.

and you weren't shot first and nobody took your gun from you. You must not be doing it right, Bikenut. And I do have a question - when you are open carrying, where do you keep your "element of surprise?" ;-) I like to actually carry my wallet in my left hand rear pocket and fill my right hand rear pocket with "element of surprise". That way when the bad guy takes my gun from me and tells me to give him my wallet, I will reach around to where he expects my wallet to be and give him a handful of "element of surprise" instead! Does anyone know if "element of surprise" goes bad over time? Should I use old "element of surprise" at the range and rotate fresh "element of surprise" in?

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I know you already know this NavyLCDR but perhaps there are some who don't sooooo....

Both CC and OC have the same "element of surprise" since with either method of carry it is the bad guy who is "surprised" to see a gun. The difference between CC and OC is that the surprise sight of an OC gun can cause a bad guy to decide not to attack where CC's surprise sight of a gun happens after the bad guy has already attacked.

My deterrent "element of surprise" is on my hip right there in plain sight where it can "surprise" the bad guy with the "in his face" knowledge that if he attacks he is extremely likely to be shot right from the start.

If a bad guy gets my OC'd gun from me it will be ME who was "surprised" by the bad guy. And then the bad guy will be surprised to discover I also have a BUG in order to use CC's "element of surprise". So I hedge my bets and use both OC's in the bad guy's face deterrent "element of surprise" and CC's sneaky "element of surprise".

I think OC's deterrent "element of surprise" stays fresh and never spoils greatly helping avoid attacks so I am not likely to be "surprised" by an attack. While it is impossible to factually say my OC's "element of surprise" has stopped an attack there have been several instances where I saw shady looking and/or odd acting characters glance at my hip and suddenly decide they needed to be somewhere else. There have also been instances where a waiter or waitress noticed my sidearm and I received very friendly and outstanding service with the occasional manager stopping by to thank me for open carrying. And there have been instances where I have been approached by strangers and thanked for supporting the 2nd Amendment. I wonder if any CC'ers have had experiences like that?

 

[papa bear]

OC'd briefly at Olive Garden in Saginaw. Their credit card and gift card server was down and I couldn't cash in my gift card so my friend and I decided to have Chinese food instead so we went to Panda King in Frankenmuth.

People noticed my sidearm at both places yet nary a word was said.. no women ran away shrieking in terror.. no little children poo'd themselves.. and no manly men puffed out their testosterone filled chests. No one cared one bit. Exactly as it should be.

However I suspect my Sunday attire of black dress shirt, black pants, black shoes, black sunglasses, and white tie, might have lent an air of respectability to my appearance.

Reminds me of some of the so called gun groups, that cry over us open carriers. That we are hurting the "cause" by open carry. They don't realize that by we OCers, are bringing attention to the carry, and the right to carry. While they hide and try to please the sheeple.

Just like the people in TX. They are the ones that pushed the issue by doing. We are the ones who make it right

 

[Michigander]

Just got word of the DPD railroading another innocent black male open carrier.

They have quite an endemic problem with badged felons.

 

[Grapeshot]

Just got word of the DPD railroading another innocent black male open carrier.

--snipped--

Link it, please.

 

[Michigander]

There isn't currently a link to further information, but in time it will be on our youtube channel. I recived this information from a highly trusted source with first hand knowledge of the case.

In other news hopefully coming to you by way of youtube soon, an earlier DPD victim just won his case and now hopefully will keep his promise and go on camera to tell his full story.

 

[solus]

you do know the Easter bunny is coming soon also don't ya??

i received my information from the earth mother, IMHO a very trusted entity...

but to be blunt, alas your posted story is, at this point, purely innuendo with a dash of LE trashing thrown in to satisfy your inner need.

ipse

 

[Michigander]

Considering the extensive history, starting in 2009, going on strong until now, and my organization's relentless efforts to protest, and assist victims in finding good lawyers and documenting the hell out of it all as the mainstream gun community has a circle jerk with the corrupt nra puppet chief and ignores mountains of evidence, I'd say my information deserves a certain level of credibility. We are literally the only ones working to stop this. No one else is even out to prove it's an ongoing problem.

Besides, whether or not you opt to believe me means precicely jack ****, because I am confident you won't be offering help.

 

[solus]

quote: Michigander
Considering the extensive history, starting in 2009, going on strong until now, and my organization's relentless efforts to protest, and assist victims in finding good lawyers and documenting the hell out of it all as the mainstream gun community has a circle jerk with the corrupt nra puppet chief and ignores mountains of evidence, I'd say my information deserves a certain level of credibility. We are literally the only ones working to stop this. No one else is even out to prove it's an ongoing problem.


Besides, whether or not you opt to believe me means precicely (sic) jack ****, because I am confident you won't be offering help. quote

you made two slight errors in your response posting, 1) your organization? 2) my information deserves a certain level of credibility. i am afraid the perception has dropped from caring to egomaniac and that you posted not to provide information per se, but perhaps for power and control stunt as well as to boast your ego by stating:

'i know the info and only i can precipitate the necessary rescue effort(s)."

now i am sure your credibility is exemplary and truly what you believe it is; however, others might also appreciate participating in your knowledge to anticipate and develop modalities to assist your effort.

further there is the mentality regarding cites ~ and without them your data is the same as a Grimm fairy tale and summarily dismissed.

finally, you might of be surprised where offers of assistance might manifest themselves but unfortunately, this member does not provide assistance to "MY" organizations.

ipse

 

[Michigander]

Also, in regards to my motives for disliking cops, it oughta be made clear that I am at this point in fact a voluntarist. However, in a practical sense, it is very difficult to use activism to achieve much more than holding the government accountable to its own rules. And even still, it consistently amazes me how little interest the public has had in holding the dpd accountable to the law.

It's not like the suburbs, where isolated incidents cause a wide spread uproar. It's more a matter of no one cares except those who won't do anything, not even watch the videos, but do want to argue it isn't even happening.

 

[Michigander]

"you made two slight errors in your response posting, 1) your organization? 2) my information deserves a certain level of credibility. i am afraid the perception has dropped from caring to egomaniac and that you posted not to provide information per se, but perhaps for power and control stunt as well as to boast your ego by stating:

'i know the info and only i can precipitate the necessary rescue effort(s)."

now i am sure your credibility is exemplary and truly what you believe it is; however, others might also appreciate participating in your knowledge to anticipate and develop modalities to assist your effort.

further there is the mentality regarding cites ~ and without them your data is the same as a Grimm fairy tale and summarily dismissed.

finally, you might of be surprised where offers of assistance might manifest themselves but unfortunately, this member does not provide assistance to "MY" organizations."


I have been providing insider information about these cases to this forum, often before it reaches the news, for quite some time. Search this forum and you will find that, same as you'll find tons of info via searching the news on google. I don't make it a point to prove that every time I post, but I am happy to shed evidence on old cases if you want it and are having trouble, just don't expect me to post sensitive details about ongoing cases until after they are dismissed.

My organization (several of us run it and a couple dozen are involved with activism) is called liberty is for everyone, the website and youtube channel are both libertyisforeveryone.com Those who are interested in helping are welcome to do so as long as they've read the know before you go section.

Having learned from my mistakes with helping found Michigan open carry, I can assure you we make every effort to include everyone who wants to help, and offer guidance to those who may want to do things separately from us. Ideally, we wouldn't be involved with this, we'd be broadly promoting freedom, and the organizations such as the nra, mcrgo and mgo could be tackling this instead. Until and unless that happens, we'll be here, reporting updates.

 

[solus]

after reading a myriad of material, i am afraid my observation previously expressed has been reinforced , especially when the entities you established or originated, following NAP 'voluntarism' using malum in se perceptions, leads me to wonder which ego makes the decision which "wrong or evil in itself" practice is going to be followed up on and are the same "wrong or evil in itself" practice extended across the board or is each case of 'wrong or evil in itself' practice changed by the situation and individual?

ipse

 

[Michigander]

after reading a myriad of material, i am afraid my observation previously expressed has been reinforced , especially when the entities you established or originated, following NAP 'voluntarism' using malum in se perceptions, leads me to wonder which ego makes the decision which "wrong or evil in itself" practice is going to be followed up on and are the same "wrong or evil in itself" practice extended across the board or is each case of 'wrong or evil in itself' practice changed by the situation and individual?

ipse

I am not here on ocdo to discuss my broader political beliefs, only right now to report on the ongoing problem of dpd malicious prosecution. If you'd like to discuss the finer details of non aggression, please do hit us up on Facebook or by email.