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I Stopped several robberies and a RAPE tonight while OC-ing......

MedicineMan

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I read all the time where people say I should "only CC my firearm" because someone will either "just shoot me first" or "grab my weapon from me" and shoot others.

When I ask for links or PROOF that this is happening on any scale that I should worry, they always say "IT COULD HAPPEN".

It didn't, and there is no documented accounts, but the POSSIBILITY makes their assertions "true".


So here's MY story......

I assert that on my OC travels tonight, I was responsible for the PREVENTION of FIVE robberies, one carjacking, and One RAPE.

Wife and I went to town and ate a burger.
We went INSIDE the A&W, ordered, ate, and left.... and noone robbed the joint while me and my gun were there.

Went into a "quick stop" and bought a cold drink.
Noone robbed the joint while I was there.

Went into the Winn Dixie and got some bread.
Noone robbed the joint while I was there.

Drove around town and noone carjacked us.

I was not robbed.

My wife was not robbed.

My wife was not Raped.


See.
It DOES work as crime prevention.

Now.......

You may think I am being funny, but I am not.
I am totally SERIOUS.

And if anyone wants to DISPUTE my assertions, feel free.
But I want PROOF that noone thought about any of the above prevented crimes, and did not choose to refrain because of me and my OC'd GUN.

Feel free to post ALL depositions here on this thread.
 
M

McX

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you wont get any arguement out of me, i am in total agreement. we never know the crimes that dont happen, because someone sees us, even if we dont see them. at our place we have 4 confirmed crimes prevented, just what we know of. our reputation for being an armed facility proceeds us in the community, and probably in the criminal world, so who knows how many conversations have gone like this:

dirtbag1: i know a place we can hit: McX's joint, down on balnkety blank street.
dirtbag2; no way fool, they be crazy, they carry guns there, i aint gonna go there and get shot
dirtbag1; yeah, i suppose, lets pick somewhere else.

how many times has this conversation taken place, we werent there, there is no proof it did, but more importantly there is no proof it didnt!
 

hogeaterf6

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dirtbag1: i know a place we can hit: McX's joint, down on balnkety blank street.
dirtbag2; no way fool, they be crazy, they carry guns there, i aint gonna go there and get shot
dirtbag1; yeah, i suppose, lets pick somewhere else.

yes, lets pick a place where 'no firearms' sign is posted....................... :)
 

MKEgal

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marionmedic said:
So here's MY story...
I assert that on my OC travels tonight, I was responsible for the PREVENTION of FIVE robberies, one carjacking, and One RAPE.

Brilliant!
Abso-blippin'-lutely brilliant.
I would change one thing, though - I think you prevented at least 2 rapes.
Neither you nor your wife were attacked.
 

eye95

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Those crimes can only be reasonably labeled as "stopped" if you knew they were going to happen if you had not OCed, which you clearly did not know.

Rationality makes good arguments; assumptions don't.
 

Citizen

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Those crimes can only be reasonably labeled as "stopped" if you knew they were going to happen if you had not OCed, which you clearly did not know.

Rationality makes good arguments; assumptions don't.

Ummm. I think that's his point; he's using the anti-gunners' own fallacious reasoning against them.

Great idea, I think.
 

Dreamer

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Rationality makes good arguments; assumptions don't.

"Citizen" is right. You sort of missed the point there "Eye95"...

This is the same thing I've been saying for over 2 years--we (the pro 2A crowd) need to WISE UP and start using the power of language, persuasion, and Public Relations like we are an Advertising Firm, NOT like we are a high school Algebra teacher. Dry, factual, and truthful don't cut it when you're trying to change mass opinion.

As wonderful as it would be if the whole American Public could think rationally, process facts in a meaningful way, and listen to reason, the fact is that the VAST majority of people on this planet are fundamentally incapable of deep, rational though (either because they were born that way, or were made that way through chemical, educational, and pharmaceutical dumbing-down).

But they DO get hyperbole. It sells cars. It sells toothpaste. It sells TVs, refridgerators, life insurance, and cat food.

And you can DAMN SURE be certain it sells beliefs. Hyperbole has sold religion for millennia. It has sold political beliefs for centuries. And it CAN be harnessed to bring the Masses into our folds.

We don't need for them to be convinced that THEY should carry. We don't even need for them to believe that we are right. We just need to convince the Masses that the fear mongers on the "anti" side--the ones talking about "wild west parking arguments" and "blood in the food courts of the malls" are full of ****, and that law-abiding citizens are, in fact law-abiding, and have a positive impact on society.

We don't need to document specific instances where an OCer ACTUALLY stopped or prevented a crime. We just need to show that OCers don't CAUSE crime, and that crimes almost never happen around them--which is more than the anti's can say about their "gun free zones"...

Read Bernays. Read Orwell. Read Alinsky. Read the enemy--they have some REALLY good ideas. Just because the "bad guys" wrote the book on PR, doesn't mean that we--the Good Guys--can't co-opt some of their most effective tactics to use against them...
 

Claytron

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And if anyone wants to DISPUTE my assertions, feel free.
But I want PROOF that noone thought about any of the above prevented crimes, and did not choose to refrain because of me and my OC'd GUN.

Feel free to post ALL depositions here on this thread.

so at the same time you take a shot in the dark and assume youve prevented all these crimes you want to turn around and demand that people have PROOF that other people arent thinking about something? thats going to look like a really goofy philosophy to anyone except people who already go all-out about carrying a firearm

it kind of seems like the religious "my higher power is real until you prove it isnt" mentality.... Id also hate to think anyone would be getting cocky about themselves after convincing themselves theyve stopped such and such a crime, i mean why stop at claiming you stopped crimes involving you and your wife, why not assume the criminals were so shocked by your gun they just went home instead of robbing 25 other people?

Say you passed by 100 people on the street that evening.... how many of them are you assuming were criminals? All of them because i cant prove they werent? So 100 people who all would have robbed 5 people each that night..... you just saved 500 people by carrying a gun, nobody can prove you didnt i guess...
 

BigDave

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I read all the time where people say I should "only CC my firearm" because someone will either "just shoot me first" or "grab my weapon from me" and shoot others.

When I ask for links or PROOF that this is happening on any scale that I should worry, they always say "IT COULD HAPPEN".

It didn't, and there is no documented accounts, but the POSSIBILITY makes their assertions "true".


So here's MY story......

I assert that on my OC travels tonight, I was responsible for the PREVENTION of FIVE robberies, one carjacking, and One RAPE.

Wife and I went to town and ate a burger.
We went INSIDE the A&W, ordered, ate, and left.... and noone robbed the joint while me and my gun were there.

Went into a "quick stop" and bought a cold drink.
Noone robbed the joint while I was there.

Went into the Winn Dixie and got some bread.
Noone robbed the joint while I was there.

Drove around town and noone carjacked us.

I was not robbed.

My wife was not robbed.

My wife was not Raped.


See.
It DOES work as crime prevention.

Now.......

You may think I am being funny, but I am not.
I am totally SERIOUS.

And if anyone wants to DISPUTE my assertions, feel free.
But I want PROOF that noone thought about any of the above prevented crimes, and did not choose to refrain because of me and my OC'd GUN.

Feel free to post ALL depositions here on this thread.

The same thing can be said about 500 stop signs in town where there was no rapes, murders, assaults .... so in your view Stop Signs Prevent Crimes since no crime occurred there on the same night you were else where.:lol:
 

Dreamer

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Wait, why was Orwell the "enemy"?

Membership in the Royal Institute for International Affairs.

Funded by Cecil Rhodes, et.al. Author of "predictive programming" novels, used to introduce the public to the real plans for the future of the Anglo-American ruling aristocracy.

General all-around shill and mouthpiece for the NWO...

Need more?
 

marshaul

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Membership in the Royal Institute for International Affairs.

Funded by Cecil Rhodes, et.al. Author of "predictive programming" novels, used to introduce the public to the real plans for the future of the Anglo-American ruling aristocracy.

General all-around shill and mouthpiece for the NWO...

Need more?

:rolleyes:
 

MedicineMan

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The same thing can be said about 500 stop signs in town where there was no rapes, murders, assaults .... so in your view Stop Signs Prevent Crimes since no crime occurred there on the same night you were else where.:lol:

NO.

The 500 stop signs provided control on the flow of traffic during those few hours and prevented 1500 traffic accidents in which 4000 innocent children would have died.

But thank you for confirming my line of thinking with your analogy.



If a person is some kinda anti-gun whacko or something.......
You really wanna play this game ???

I'll eat you alive and hurt your feelings cause I deal in FACTS not "beliefs".
And I use ANY of your analogies to show where I am right.

But don't get mad at me..... I learned it from the lefty commie gun-control fanatics.
 
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