Hampton Roads - OC reports

[wrearick]

Ran into another OCDCer open carrying in Sears at Pembroke Mall last night. Had a nice chat.

 

[HearseGuy]

Ran into another OCDCer open carrying in Sears at Pembroke Mall last night. Had a nice chat.

That's cool! But I thought the Pembroke mall was posted? I know the sears is seperate tho so is OC OK there but not in the "mall" part?

 

[rev.david]

That's cool! But I thought the Pembroke mall was posted? I know the sears is seperate tho so is OC OK there but not in the "mall" part?

There is no posting at the entrance to Sears from outside. It was nice to be greeted by Wrearick with, "Thank you for exercising your constitutional rights."

D+

 

[wrearick]

That's cool! But I thought the Pembroke mall was posted? I know the sears is seperate tho so is OC OK there but not in the "mall" part?

About half of the mall entrances are posted, the others are not. In another thread there was a discussion on basically not poking the bear and challenging them to post properly as it is not going to make them change their policy but it will cause some of us not to walk past signs if they are posted. As another poster noted, Sears is seperate from the Mall (SHC owns the SEARS building not the mall). They are not posted and the Store Manager has no issue with people exercising their 2A rights. :banana: (based on my asking him). As an employee, I can not have my weapon on me (CC or OC) and infact the manual states I can not even have it in my car. (gotta love right to work state) I don't think they could say anything if I was not working but I don't often find myself needing something so bad from Sears that I can not wait until the next time I work to pick it up.

 

[Justine]

That's cool! But I thought the Pembroke mall was posted? I know the sears is seperate tho so is OC OK there but not in the "mall" part?

My friend is the eye doc that works in the Sears at Pembroke. She is OC friendly and had wondered if she could allow her patients to carry in to her office, so I checked awhile back to learn what Sears' corporate policy on carrying was. They follow the laws of the state. As such, since they are separate from the mall, I don't see why it'd be a problem.

 

[Justine]

About half of the mall entrances are posted, the others are not. In another thread there was a discussion on basically not poking the bear and challenging them to post properly as it is not going to make them change their policy but it will cause some of us not to walk past signs if they are posted. As another poster noted, Sears is seperate from the Mall (SHC owns the SEARS building not the mall). They are not posted and the Store Manager has no issue with people exercising their 2A rights. :banana: (based on my asking him). As an employee, I can not have my weapon on me (CC or OC) and infact the manual states I can not even have it in my car. (gotta love right to work state) I don't think they could say anything if I was not working but I don't often find myself needing something so bad from Sears that I can not wait until the next time I work to pick it up.

Well, it's to bad that Sears doesn't encourage their employees to carry, but at least they don't turn customers away for carrying, though I'm not sure what VA being a right to work state has to do with leaving your gun in your car or not.

 

[wrearick]

Well, it's to bad that Sears doesn't encourage their employees to carry, but at least they don't turn customers away for carrying, though I'm not sure what VA being a right to work state has to do with leaving your gun in your car or not.

I think the "rule" is based on self preservation ..... some of the managers can not manage their way out of a paper bag and are verbally abusive. Not that I would ever advocate using a weapon for other than defensive purposes I have seen some folks get really angry/irate at certain managers to the point I worry about them "losing their temper".

The right to work comment is founded upon wether the employer has the authority to dictate what you have in your car in the parking lot if the car is not utilized in the performance of your job. Part of me wants to legally challenge that part of the rules but I am working there as a second job to pay off hospital expenses (my wife has heart issues).

Previously, I spent a few years as the Director of Operations for a Restaurant Chain and know for a fact that several labor laws are violated on a regular basis. I could list them but if I provide specifics I open myself up to retaliation (not too hard to figure out who I am based on my user name). So, in those cases, as well as the questionable legality of dictating what can be in my car, I bite my tongue because I can not afford to rock the boat. Virginia being a "right to work" state means they do not have to have a reason to terminate you. Even so, I know that if they want to they can find enough to document and write you up for to make sure you have no recouse (clocked in 2 minutes late, didn't clock out on time, failed to get the appropriate number of people to buy accessories/service contracts/sales goals/open Sears credit cards/ etc. There are typically 15-20 different metrics that there are standards for so finding something to "write you up for" is not hard. Kind of like deciding how hard of a line you want to take with a police officer during a traffic stop. If He/SHe wants, they can find multiple things to cite you for.

so anyway, long answer to your question, I am not sure they can control employee behavior that strickly but can't afford to challenge it because I will not survive the ride.

 

[Justine]

I think the "rule" is based on self preservation ..... some of the managers can not manage their way out of a paper bag and are verbally abusive. Not that I would ever advocate using a weapon for other than defensive purposes I have seen some folks get really angry/irate at certain managers to the point I worry about them "losing their temper".

The right to work comment is founded upon wether the employer has the authority to dictate what you have in your car in the parking lot if the car is not utilized in the performance of your job. Part of me wants to legally challenge that part of the rules but I am working there as a second job to pay off hospital expenses (my wife has heart issues).

Previously, I spent a few years as the Director of Operations for a Restaurant Chain and know for a fact that several labor laws are violated on a regular basis. I could list them but if I provide specifics I open myself up to retaliation (not too hard to figure out who I am based on my user name). So, in those cases, as well as the questionable legality of dictating what can be in my car, I bite my tongue because I can not afford to rock the boat. Virginia being a "right to work" state means they do not have to have a reason to terminate you. Even so, I know that if they want to they can find enough to document and write you up for to make sure you have no recouse (clocked in 2 minutes late, didn't clock out on time, failed to get the appropriate number of people to buy accessories/service contracts/sales goals/open Sears credit cards/ etc. There are typically 15-20 different metrics that there are standards for so finding something to "write you up for" is not hard. Kind of like deciding how hard of a line you want to take with a police officer during a traffic stop. If He/SHe wants, they can find multiple things to cite you for.

so anyway, long answer to your question, I am not sure they can control employee behavior that strickly but can't afford to challenge it because I will not survive the ride.

Well, yes, I know WHAT a right to work state is and whether or not I agree with the concept is not a discussion for this forum. However, I know that previously employers could dictate whether or not you could store a firearm in your vehicle in the parking lot, but I thought legislation was brought forward to give employees a little more leeway? Or maybe I'm mistaken and that was another state? I honestly don't know, I do know that I read somewhere that some state brought that legislation forward, I just can't recall if it was VA or not. I'm going to have to do some research, because I know I read about it, I just can't recall the state. I'll get back to you if it was in VA.

Oh well. Good luck to you!

 

[Justine]

so anyway, long answer to your question, I am not sure they can control employee behavior that strickly but can't afford to challenge it because I will not survive the ride.

Looks like there were several "right to work" states that did pass legislation barring employers from prohibiting employees from storing their guns in their cars, unfortunately, VA was not one of them (yet, it's something to work toward). I do feel your pain, Wrearick, as I cannot carry where I work either, and it does unnerve me a bit walking to/from my vehicle early in the day and late at night. Hopefully, we'll soon get some legislation here in VA passed that will allow us to protect ourselves a little more effectively in our place of employment.

 

[wrearick]

Looks like there were several "right to work" states that did pass legislation barring employers from prohibiting employees from storing their guns in their cars, unfortunately, VA was not one of them (yet, it's something to work toward). I do feel your pain, Wrearick, as I cannot carry where I work either, and it does unnerve me a bit walking to/from my vehicle early in the day and late at night. Hopefully, we'll soon get some legislation here in VA passed that will allow us to protect ourselves a little more effectively in our place of employment.

I hope so too. I appologize for my initial post being a bit confusing (I went back and reread it). It is not being a right to work state that allows an employer to set rules on what is in your car, it justs makes fighting or even challenging the system hazardous to your continued employment. There are many employers who can and do terminate those that buck the system. Right to Work laws make it easy and it is hard for some folks not to abuse that power.

 

[WhatTimeIsIt?]

The employer-employee relationship, like all human relationships, should be completely voluntary by all parties. Therefore, use of government force to prohibit employers from prohibiting employees from possessing firearms on their private property, even when in the employee's car, is inappropriate.

 

[Grapeshot]

The employer-employee relationship, like all human relationships, should be completely voluntary by all parties. Therefore, use of government force to prohibit employers from prohibiting employees from possessing firearms on their private property, even when in the employee's car, is inappropriate.

Definitely do not agree - maybe they don't like cameras in a vehicle either or candy.

 

[HearseGuy]

OCed to nimmo Walmart, TJ Max, Chick Fil a, Kohl's, wawa, and PetSmart with no issues at all.

 

[Esanders2008]

Does anyone know of a good range in Hampton Roads other than Bob's? I'm looking to rent a Kahr CM9, but Bob's doesn't have one. Neither does *shiver* Superior. C2 doesn't rent guns, and I don't know of any more ranges in our area.

OC related because I will OC to the range (that would have ruled out superior)

Thanks!

 

[45acpForMe]

I have been OC-ing around. Food Lion, Hampton Roads Eye Associates, Papa John's no issues.

Today while OC-ing to Food Lion at lunch time I saw signs up at House of Video (an anti-OC establishment) and sad to say (not at all) that they are going OUT of business.

While video stores are having a very hard time competing with online content and redbox it was a nail in the coffin that they also refused service to OC-ers and turned away potential business!



I also just read the below article. I was surprised that such zero-thinking-policies are in effect here in Suffolk,Virginia!

http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013...strikes-with-a-pencil-this-time/?subscriber=1

 

[Lolcanoe]

Does anyone know of a good range in Hampton Roads other than Bob's? I'm looking to rent a Kahr CM9, but Bob's doesn't have one. Neither does *shiver* Superior. C2 doesn't rent guns, and I don't know of any more ranges in our area.

OC related because I will OC to the range (that would have ruled out superior)

Thanks!

The Marksman in Newport News, but they don't like you to take home the empty brass that you paid for, and there is another Superior on Mercury Blvd that I've had no problems OCing in, or taking home my brass. There is an A&P Arms in Va Beach somewhere with a range, but I hear it's more of a hassle to shoot there than anything.. I can't wait to get home. Good thing to see that crack pot of a video store going out of business. Not good to post gun buster signs right near some military housing, heh..

 

[AFCop]

The Marksman in Newport News, but they don't like you to take home the empty brass that you paid for, and there is another Superior on Mercury Blvd that I've had no problems OCing in, or taking home my brass. There is an A&P Arms in Va Beach somewhere with a range, but I hear it's more of a hassle to shoot there than anything.. I can't wait to get home. Good thing to see that crack pot of a video store going out of business. Not good to post gun buster signs right near some military housing, heh..

Are you a cop deployed from Langley?

 

[Justine]

There is an A&P Arms in Va Beach somewhere with a range, but I hear it's more of a hassle to shoot there than anything...

A&P Arms in VA Beach was bought out by Superior Pawn & Gun last year. They allow up to a .308 rifle on their range, and they're across from Lynnhaven Mall, behind the bowling alley. I go there because it's close to the house, and the staff has always been friendly and professional. It is much better run than when A&P was the ownership.

 

[Justine]

OC related because I will OC to the range (that would have ruled out superior)

Thanks!

Not all Superiors don't allow loaded guns (and even the one that doesn't is selective in enforcing it). I OC to both the Superior on VA Beach Blvd and the one off Lynnhaven (without incident, or anyone ever telling me to disarm), but more frequently the Lynnhaven facility as it is closer to home, and allows for rifles.

 

[wrearick]

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