Hampton Roads - OC reports

[Lolcanoe]

Are you a cop deployed from Langley?

Nope, Crew Chief deployed from Langley.

 

[mpg9999]

Nope, Crew Chief deployed from Langley.

I take it you're with the 94th then?

 

[Lolcanoe]

or I could be on TCN duty in the desert somewhere.

 

[Esanders2008]

VA Open Carry - Hampton Roads

Went to bass pro yesterday to return a holster that wasn't working out, spent about half an hour talking to a couple gentleman about OC vs CC. One of them said he liked CC because he would rather not "Brandish" his gun. I almost had to interject at that point, but the conversation changed directions soon after. (That's the worst part of a three man conversation). He did tell me and the other Gentleman to join VCDL, and I informed him I was already a member.

Also OCd to Rally's, Walmart, and sport cuts. No issues.

 

[2a4all]

Had to stop at the Grafton Farm Fresh on the way home from Lafayette Gun Club after my Range Safety Officer shift to pick up some milk and orange juice. As I was leaving the OJ chiller area, an elderly (I'm going to have to stop referring to others that way soon) couple walked by. The woman smiled and spoke to me saying "I feel much safer with you in this building." Pleasantly surprised, I thanked her, and said "Me too.".

 

[wrearick]

Open Carried tonight at:
Fish Safari
tropical smoothie
AC Moore
Michaels
NFCU ATM

No issues

 

[AFCop]

OC'd to RK Toyota and bought a 13 Sienna, no negative comments..

OC'd to Roadhouse off Victory and GW Pkwy. No issues...

 

[Grapeshot]

OC'd to RK Toyota and bought a 13 Sienna, no negative comments..

But did it get you a discount after you had negotiated your best deal?

That I'd like to see!

 

[HearseGuy]

No OC for me lately guys, due to being in FL until next week sometime.

Plan on OCing to the range with my pops at some point tho!

 

[Justine]

Went to breakfast at Pop's Diner off Lynnhaven Blvd yesterday morning. While waiting for my food my waitress asked me if I was a LEO because she had noticed my gun. I responded that no I wasn't, but I valued my safety. She seemed to really like that answer and started asking me questions, and stated that she herself wanted to OC but was waiting until she was old enough (learned that she was 19). I then informed her that in VA you can OC at age 18. Again, she was very happy to hear that. She told me that her father encourages her to go shooting/hunting with him, so I gave her some information, and I hope she joins our ranks of OCers.

 

[Grapeshot]

Went to breakfast at Pop's Diner off Lynnhaven Blvd yesterday morning. While waiting for my food my waitress asked me if I was a LEO because she had noticed my gun. I responded that no I wasn't, but I valued my safety. She seemed to really like that answer and started asking me questions, and stated that she herself wanted to OC but was waiting until she was old enough (learned that she was 19). I then informed her that in VA you can OC at age 18. Again, she was very happy to hear that. She told me that her father encourages her to go shooting/hunting with him, so I gave her some information, and I hope she joins our ranks of OCers.

That's how we grow and spread the word.

VCDL is will shortly have 20K subscribers to Va-Alert

 

[wrearick]

OC's yesterday and today at:
Ruby Tuesday's (Independence and Princess Anne)
Party City (same shopping area)
Farm Fresh (same shopping area)
Good Will (Rosemont Road)
Dollar Tree (near BJ's on Va Beach Blvd)
AC Moore (near BJ's on Va Beach Blvd)
McDonalds (near BJ's on Va Beach Blvd)
BJ's (guess where)

A few curious glances but nothing more....well maybe one scowl but couldn't be sure.

 

[Thundar]

The employer-employee relationship, like all human relationships, should be completely voluntary by all parties. Therefore, use of government force to prohibit employers from prohibiting employees from possessing firearms on their private property, even when in the employee's car, is inappropriate.

If an employer were able to exercise total control and dominion over another human being's car would that mean that the owner could give consent for police to search any car in the parking lot? No, this is about balancing property rights with privacy rights.

Virginia does have parking lot preemption for municipal employees. Evidently the lives of municipal employees are more valuable than citizens who have private employers.

Thundar

 

[AFCop]

Nope! No Discount for OC... Did get a 2013 Sienna LE with 12 miles on it for 4 below sticker/TT&L... Oh and they paid off what I owed on an 05 with 98K on it...

OCd to Sweet Frog, Walmart, Best Buy and other places all along Jefferson Ave in the I64 area...

 

[Grapeshot]

Nope! No Discount for OC... Did get a 2013 Sienna LE with 12 miles on it for 4 below sticker/TT&L... Oh and they paid off what I owed on an 05 with 98K on it...

Nice deal.

 

[WhatTimeIsIt?]

If an employer were able to exercise total control and dominion over another human being's car would that mean that the owner could give consent for police to search any car in the parking lot? No, this is about balancing property rights with privacy rights.

Virginia does have parking lot preemption for municipal employees. Evidently the lives of municipal employees are more valuable than citizens who have private employers.

Thundar

Rights never have to be "balanced" because one person's rights can never be in conflict with another's. Whenever someone claims to be balancing one person's rights against another, they are really just looking for some way to justify an infringement of an individual's rights, so they make up some other right and claim that it's more important. It's a staple in every tyrant's playbook.

An employer does not have "total control and dominion" over employees vehicles. He can't give consent to police to search nor can he force his way into one of their cars to conduct his own search. I'm not saying he should be able to. However, he should be able to terminate an employee who chooses to refuse consent to police searches or employer searches, if he chooses to do so.

All human interaction should be voluntary and free from coercion. The initiation of force is never appropriate. The government telling private employers that they cannot terminate an employee because he keeps a weapon in his car while on the employer's private property is most definitely an initiation of force. Yes, employers should be able to hire and terminate employees for any reason they see fit really, but most other illegitimate uses of government force in this area aren't really relevant to the primary subject of this message board.

 

[Grapeshot]

Rights never have to be "balanced" because one person's rights can never be in conflict with another's. Whenever someone claims to be balancing one person's rights against another, they are really just looking for some way to justify an infringement of an individual's rights, so they make up some other right and claim that it's more important. It's a staple in every tyrant's playbook.

An employer does not have "total control and dominion" over employees vehicles. He can't give consent to police to search nor can he force his way into one of their cars to conduct his own search. I'm not saying he should be able to. However, he should be able to terminate an employee who chooses to refuse consent to police searches or employer searches, if he chooses to do so.

All human interaction should be voluntary and free from coercion. The initiation of force is never appropriate. The government telling private employers that they cannot terminate an employee because he keeps a weapon in his car while on the employer's private property is most definitely an initiation of force. Yes, employers should be able to hire and terminate employees for any reason they see fit really, but most other illegitimate uses of government force in this area aren't really relevant to the primary subject of this message board.

While I understand "employee at will" there are also remedies for wrongful termination.

I must strenuously object to an employer being free to search an employee's vehicle OR person (for that matter) for any reason. Neither should be grounds for dismissal. There are other means should that seem necessary.

I'll offer you a tongue-in-cheek compromise - everybody appreciates compromises, right?

You as my employer may have the right to search my vehicle, if I authorize, for gun(s), BUT if you do not find any you will award me up to $25,000.00 for each such negative search as recovery of lost wages while I search for another job at my option + legal costs and punitive damages as may be awarded.

or

You can supply me with convenient, secure off site parking w/o prejudice.

You really need to quit trying to control my personal life using your business model as an excuse. You could probably ban my parking a red vehicle on your property, but would you? Should you be able to? If the answer is "yes", then I think you are part of the problem. It is after all not about guns, but about control......sound familiar?

 

[Wolf_shadow]

While I understand "employee at will" there are also remedies for wrongful termination.

I must strenuously object to an employer being free to search an employee's vehicle OR person (for that matter) for any reason. Neither should be grounds for dismissal. There are other means should that seem necessary.

I'll offer you a tongue-in-cheek compromise - everybody appreciates compromises, right?

You as my employer may have the right to search my vehicle, if I authorize, for gun(s), BUT if you do not find any you will award me up to $25,000.00 for each such negative search as recovery of lost wages while I search for another job at my option + legal costs and punitive damages as may be awarded.

or

You can supply me with convenient, secure off site parking w/o prejudice.

You really need to quit trying to control my personal life using your business model as an excuse. You could probably ban my parking a red vehicle on your property, but would you? Should you be able to? If the answer is "yes", then I think you are part of the problem. It is after all not about guns, but about control......sound familiar?

+1000

 

[Justine]

POLL: Do you support online testing for concealed handgun permits? (VA Pilot online)

http://hamptonroads.com/polls/do-you-support-online-testing-concealed-handgun-permits

 

[crazydude6030]

Re: VA Open Carry - Hampton Roads

You can supply me with convenient, secure off site parking w/o prejudice.

I park off site even though its not supplied for this very reason. Even if I do or don't have anything in my car. I don't like any one person having that type of control.