Gun Rally...

[aa1911]

and my favorite sign of the day:

 

[DEROS72]

Well which one was it? A rally that made you very angry or a great rally?

Constructive criticism would of been to contact Jim directly and interact with him on who, what, why, how speakers and topics were picked or not picked. NOT to start a new thread (there were already 2 on the rally) and openly get angry because you disliked some of the content/speakers. By choosing to start an entirely new thread you decided to take cheap shots at the organizers of the rally by sitting behind your computer instead of in a professional manner where as you could learn more about the process. This rally was put together in about 10 days. It was done with money directly out of Jim's own pocket. It was done by trusting speakers like Hadian, Didier, Wilson based upon hearing them speak before and trusting in their intellect and status. Their status is something they have earned. Something you could do a lot to understand, yet you continue to do the opposite.

Well said Gogodawgs

tHANK YOU gogo AND ORPHAN
Well i,m going to chime in here and say thanks GoGo and all of you that got behind me.Just so you all know I received a call from Pam Roaches offices and thanked me for a job well done .she also said she will call me for any further events as I advised her office to be wary of anyone trying to throw other rally's. I told all the participants and my contacts that I am not doing a rally on the 8th and they will not be participating either.I have have spent thousands of my own money on these for sound ,drinks ,what ever.I will not be contributing a dime to the 8th.I thank Bill ,Squeak,Jeff and some others that have always been there.As you know many of you i have small events every year and give away free guns.How much emn have you contributed OR HOW MANY FREE GUNS DO YOU GIVE WAY AT bb-QS, precisely squat, and I didn't pick speakers to please you .I have been getting nothing but positive reviews from everywhere with offers of support for what ever I do.I will be oc rep at a gunrights leadership lunch feb 9th.and have invited a couple here to participate. so when you guys put in what we have then you have a right to say something , until then emn you are irrelevant.What rally's and events have you put together that drew over 2000? That's what I thought

 

[OlGutshotWilly]

And lastly, I was not able to attend as I was stuck in Vegas at the world's largest gathering of gun manufacturer's and outdoor products...

Great pic. I am seriously jealous..........I would love to meet this gentleman.

 

[golddigger14s]

Great pic. I am seriously jealous..........I would love to meet this gentleman.

You would not like to meet him after hearing the disparaging remarks he made about people who OC. Him, and Rob Pincus both made very rude comments about any body who OC's. I don't talk bad about how anybody carries, but the CC only crowd can get pretty nasty. Please don't ask me to "cite", that's what they made google/you tube for.

 

[gogodawgs]

You would not like to meet him after hearing the disparaging remarks he made about people who OC. Him, and Rob Pincus both made very rude comments about any body who OC's. I don't talk bad about how anybody carries, but the CC only crowd can get pretty nasty. Please don't ask me to "cite", that's what they made google/you tube for.

He has said that in the past. I asked him about it...

Most people say Ted is crazy.... I asked why he thought I was crazy? Huh? I open carry, Ted.

He said thanks, shook my hand.... short conversation. Then we gave him some I love guns and coffee gear...

 

[gogodawgs]

When I stated "this" I mean Didier not the rally in general.

I think ONE guest speaker was out in tin-foil land and another was honest, but maybe a little too preachy.

I then stated in a later post that guest speakers should submit an outline of their remarks and reminded to keep narrowly focused. I brought up a problem and suggested a solution. that's not taking a cheap shot. And it's obvious here that some people agree somewhat with me, and others more with you, there has been a discussion on this topic.

I wanted a discussion on this topic to see what most of the members here actually thought if people agreed with me or if I was the one being unreasonable. And it must be noted that other then a sarcastic comment I made regarding Hadian and Apostasy and some remarks about Didier, I have not personally attacked ANY one on this thread... ok maybe Freedom1man but I doubt you really care about that...

I don't doubt your sincerity in liking Hadian and Didier, hell I actually like Hadian, never liked Didier for numerous reasons, I wouldn't have doubted you if you said you had met them. the fact they'll pose for a photo op doesn't change the fact that Didier may just have won Freedom1man's vote with his speech about EMP bombs and forming committees of safety, it's not a concept the majority of gun owners will embrace, and was divisive because there are many liberal democrats who own guns in this state.

[video=youtube;6UPdilD38Cs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UPdilD38Cs&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Really? That's what got you so angry you had to retype it 4 times? You had to start a new thread to call out the organizers? You would show so little respect to those who put this together?

What's there to disagree upon? Are you not prepared for a storm? Civil unrest? Government buying 450 million rounds of ammunition? What's wrong with forming a committee of safety? Our founders did.

Is your head so dutifully buried in the sand as to not listen? As to not understand? "First seek to understand, then be understood."

It's not a concept of the majority of gun owners will embrace? Who decided that? You, if so then you are a fool.

It was divisive because there are many liberal democrats who own guns in this state? How many is many? 5%, 20%? I know many liberal democrats who are preparing for a storm, civil unrest, government takeover.

 

[nadaslave]

[video=youtube;6UPdilD38Cs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UPdilD38Cs&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Really? That's what got you so angry you had to retype it 4 times? You had to start a new thread to call out the organizers? You would show so little respect to those who put this together?

What's there to disagree upon? Are you not prepared for a storm? Civil unrest? Government buying 450 million rounds of ammunition? What's wrong with forming a committee of safety? Our founders did.

Is your head so dutifully buried in the sand as to not listen? As to not understand? "First seek to understand, then be understood."

It's not a concept of the majority of gun owners will embrace? Who decided that? You, if so then you are a fool.

It was divisive because there are many liberal democrats who own guns in this state? How many is many? 5%, 20%? I know many liberal democrats who are preparing for a storm, civil unrest, government takeover.

Amen...X 2...

 

[OlGutshotWilly]

You would not like to meet him after hearing the disparaging remarks he made about people who OC. Him, and Rob Pincus both made very rude comments about any body who OC's. I don't talk bad about how anybody carries, but the CC only crowd can get pretty nasty. Please don't ask me to "cite", that's what they made google/you tube for.

Don't get so defensive Golddigger.......I don't need a cite where these two guys stand. I am not a fan of Rob Pincus. Rob disparages anyone who doesn't agree with him on many subjects besides OC. Rob Pincus is all about himself and promoting his business. I haven't seen anything put out by him that I agree with. I certainly don't see him out there doing what Ted does.

On the other hand, I can admire "Crazy Ted" because he is talented, I like his music, I like his public stance/comments/videos on our rights, punishment of criminals, stupid politicians, hunting etc. I can accept that we obviously don't see eye to eye on OC, because he puts himself out there for gun owners and gun rights in a forceful, public way. I like that he can make the "anti's " froth at the mouth. He can be far more articulate than Pincus.

I don't agree with everyone on here either, but there are members here I enjoy meeting and chatting with over coffee, despite our differences.

So yes, I would still like to meet Crazy Ted.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

[video=youtube;6UPdilD38Cs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UPdilD38Cs&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Really? That's what got you so angry you had to retype it 4 times? You had to start a new thread to call out the organizers? You would show so little respect to those who put this together?


What's there to disagree upon? Are you not prepared for a storm? Civil unrest? Government buying 450 million rounds of ammunition? What's wrong with forming a committee of safety? Our founders did.

As prepared as I can be with my limited budget, mainly earthquake and storm. Not for EMP bombs destroying my electronics. And don't talk down to me like "our founders did" I am well aware of most of what the founders did. Studying the revolution has been a hobby of mine. Committees of Safety were not some kind of prepardness club, they were an arm of local government formed to supplant colonial legislatures after the Royal Governors were sent home in 1774. Colonial legislatures in Massachauesetts and North Carolina gave the CoS's power to call out the militia and to arrest and imprison people as well. in many cases these groups were officially sponsored by government authority.

Is your head so dutifully buried in the sand as to not listen? As to not understand? "First seek to understand, then be understood."

It's not a concept of the majority of gun owners will embrace? Who decided that? You, if so then you are a fool.

How about public image? .... maybe your reputation? Maybe presenting an image that we're not a bunch of nuts? prepping discussion is good, when trying to do damage control when our rights are under assault, well the majority of americans can't relate to fighting off the government or being attacked by EMP. they then dismiss the entire movement as being run by kooks. Thankfully that didn't happen becuase the media didn't put any of Didier on the 5 o clock news, so THANK YOU KING KOMO AND KIRO

It was divisive because there are many liberal democrats who own guns in this state? How many is many? 5%, 20%? I know many liberal democrats who are preparing for a storm, civil unrest, government takeover.
Of the gun owners I know from outside of this forum, maybe 45% are liberal democrats, union members, etc. Didier going off on unions wasn't good either.

Yes I'm a member of a union, I'm not a democrat or particularily liberal, but I hold some liberal views. so it does make me angry if I come down, and contribute to the success of an event by being another body in the crowd, and Didier chooses that time to say "look at your union, this is what's bringing down this county, becuase of money? (uhhh... Yeah actually, I tend to like getting more money, of course it's not like someone who says something like that takes farm subsidies or anything )" So if you're going to seek to be understood, can you understand why someone might not be happy that they come down and support the event and the guest speakers are going off insulting them... yeah. and it was an irrelevant issue to bring up.

It's also divisive when organizers of one rally are working against the efforts of another rally organizer. DEROS above said "be wary of other 2A rallies" and that "he and his contacts won't be going" so I think it's just rich how he's saying "you're irrelevant, I put alot of time and money and into this" and then he goes out and tries to sabotage someone else putting their time and money into an event. We don't need that either. if he has reasons why the Feb 8 rally is not good or being organized by bad people he needs to come out and say that. not attempt to sabotage other people for unclear reasons.

 

[deanf]

I have been getting nothing but positive reviews from everywhere with offers of support for what ever I do.

Well, not exactly. I mean, just read through a few threads on OCDO-WA and it's clear that not everyone is 100% pleased. Maybe you should rephrase? "Many positive reviews and a little bit of criticism." Might be more accurate . . .

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Hells Bells!

Was that Bills choice! Awesome choice of music! Love that song and their older music.

I'm gonna get ya Satan getchya!

Sacrilegious and irreverent gotta love it!

 

[1911er]

When I stated "this" I mean Didier not the rally in general.

I think ONE guest speaker was out in tin-foil land and another was honest, but maybe a little too preachy.

I then stated in a later post that guest speakers should submit an outline of their remarks and reminded to keep narrowly focused. I brought up a problem and suggested a solution. that's not taking a cheap shot. And it's obvious here that some people agree somewhat with me, and others more with you, there has been a discussion on this topic.

I wanted a discussion on this topic to see what most of the members here actually thought if people agreed with me or if I was the one being unreasonable. And it must be noted that other then a sarcastic comment I made regarding Hadian and Apostasy and some remarks about Didier, I have not personally attacked ANY one on this thread... ok maybe Freedom1man but I doubt you really care about that...

I don't doubt your sincerity in liking Hadian and Didier, hell I actually like Hadian, never liked Didier for numerous reasons, I wouldn't have doubted you if you said you had met them. the fact they'll pose for a photo op doesn't change the fact that Didier may just have won Freedom1man's vote with his speech about EMP bombs and forming committees of safety, it's not a concept the majority of gun owners will embrace, and was divisive because there are many liberal democrats who own guns in this state.

Well I'm sure if you ask they will run all the speeches by you next time for approval ( sarcasm off now )

 

[Jeff Hayes]

Was that Bills choice! Awesome choice of music! Love that song and their older music.

Sacrilegious and irreverent gotta love it!

I liked when he played Hells Bells to, I thought it was a very good choice to pump up the troops so to speak.

 

[Jeff Hayes]

Well I'm sure if you ask they will run all the speeches by you next time for approval ( sarcasm off now )

1911er Well if it will save another thread like this maybe we should, then EMN could make up his mind to attend or spend the time to organize, pay for and put on his own rally with the speakers he wants saying what he wants them to say. Here is an idea for you EMN you could get shock collars for your speakers and if they stray you can stop them with a push of the button.

 

[Trigger Dr]

Somebody please help me....I was under the impression that when a person was asked to speak at an event, they were asked to give THEIR THOUGHTS on a particular subject, not to pander to the masses.
Diversity is needed in a situation such as we are now experiencing. Even the ANTI's do us some good, because their comments keep us more focused on our goals.
If you do not like what is being said, you do not have to listen, nor do you have to agree. BUT it would be of benefit to listen and think about what is being said. It just might strike a cord that will bring out a very valid point that would otherwise go unnoticed.

 

[FrayedString]

I did not hear any of the speeches, as I indicated in the other Jan 19th thread my wife and I showed up late and got there just as everything was ending. As such, I am writing this post only in general terms. I am not attacking any of the speakers at the Jan 19th event; I just want to put this out there.


We here on OCDO, along with our friends on the other Washington gun rights sites, are united against a common enemy: restrictions against our rights to keep and bear arms as guaranteed to us by the 2nd Ammendment of the US Constitution, as well as the WA state constitution. However, as we have all seen; these constitutional protections can be, and have been, restricted as time goes on. It is clear that we all have to stand up together against continued encroachment on our rights, or else we will continue to lose them in the coming years.

That being said, we run the entire range of political opinions with regards to every other issue. Gay rights, abortion, unions, welfare, social security, and even whether or not Obama is a great president. The list could go on forever, and if we polled all of the members of OCDO, WAGuns, THR, etc I'm sure we could get a huge variety of different opinions on every one of them. We need to keep our focus narrow, so that we can stay united on this front. If a union worker comes to our 2A rally; why is he going to want to stick around, wave his sign, and yell at passing cars while one of the speakers on the stage berates him and says he is the reason our country is going into the toilet?

There is a very large population of anti's. Unfortunately hoplophobia seems to have mutated into a more contagious form, and we're looking at a possible epidemic. If we want our rallies to stay in excess of 2000 people, we better not alienate the 200* atheists and 300* union workers and make them feel unwelcome so they don't come to our next rally even though they support RKBA.

Just my $0.02.



*Numbers made up on the spot for example purposes.



*Edit: I'm not saying people can't/shouldn't make a sign to wave that says whatever they want, but the people on the stage with the microphone in hand set the overall tone for the entire rally. Look at the media coverage of the Jan 19th rally. Almost all of them wrote about the stocking up of radios, medical supplies, etc. That set the theme the rally, is that really what the rally was supposed to be about? Whether you personally agree with that advice or not.

 

[Grapeshot]

I did not hear any of the speeches, as I indicated in the other Jan 19th thread my wife and I showed up late and got there just as everything was ending. As such, I am writing this post only in general terms. I am not attacking any of the speakers at the Jan 19th event; I just want to put this out there.


We here on OCDO, along with our friends on the other Washington gun rights sites, are united against a common enemy: restrictions against our rights to keep and bear arms as guaranteed to us by the 2nd Ammendment of the US Constitution, as well as the WA state constitution. However, as we have all seen; these constitutional protections can be, and have been, restricted as time goes on. It is clear that we all have to stand up together against continued encroachment on our rights, or else we will continue to lose them in the coming years.

That being said, we run the entire range of political opinions with regards to every other issue. Gay rights, abortion, unions, welfare, social security, and even whether or not Obama is a great president. The list could go on forever, and if we polled all of the members of OCDO, WAGuns, THR, etc I'm sure we could get a huge variety of different opinions on every one of them. We need to keep our focus narrow, so that we can stay united on this front. If a union worker comes to our 2A rally; why is he going to want to stick around, wave his sign, and yell at passing cars while one of the speakers on the stage berates him and says he is the reason our country is going into the toilet?

There is a very large population of anti's. Unfortunately hoplophobia seems to have mutated into a more contagious form, and we're looking at a possible epidemic. If we want our rallies to stay in excess of 2000 people, we better not alienate the 200* atheists and 300* union workers and make them feel unwelcome so they don't come to our next rally even though they support RKBA.

Just my $0.02.



*Numbers made up on the spot for example purposes.



*Edit: I'm not saying people can't/shouldn't make a sign to wave that says whatever they want, but the people on the stage with the microphone in hand set the overall tone for the entire rally. Look at the media coverage of the Jan 19th rally. Almost all of them wrote about the stocking up of radios, medical supplies, etc. That set the theme the rally, is that really what the rally was supposed to be about? Whether you personally agree with that advice or not.

Politics and bedfellows - similar in so many ways.

 

[FrayedString]

Politics and bedfellows - similar in so many ways.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[Grapeshot]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

My friend is a friend of my enemy - he is not an enemy but a mole/double agent, my friend. :lol:

 

[1911er]

Schock collars

1911er Well if it will save another thread like this maybe we should, then EMN could make up his mind to attend or spend the time to organize, pay for and put on his own rally with the speakers he wants saying what he wants them to say. Here is an idea for you EMN you could get shock collars for your speakers and if they stray you can stop them with a push of the button.

roflmao (and thats a lot to laugh off)