Gun Rally...

[golddigger14s]

I understand not liking everything said in the speeches, that is your right. We can not ask people to support the 2nd Amendment if we don't support the 1st, and 3rd through 10th. When it comes to the Bill of Rights, we can't be selective.

 

[Jeff Hayes]

My point is that the speeches aren't what gets the message to our legislators. It's our numbers. If you have to tune out, who cares? The speakers are only there to preach to the choir. The fact that we can assemble such a large choir is the important part. My point is to not take yourself out of the game just because someone said something you don't agree with. I think we all agree that they have the right to say whatever the hell they want to. We were there to protect rights, all of them.

Well said Tom

 

[Vitaeus]

Orphan, Tom,

If the point of the speakers is to preach to the choir, why bother having them? I was expecting the speakers to be working the crowd, but also to be presenting a face to the media that builds up our numbers. That is what I was talking about by being inclusive, we had ~3000 folks there, but in a state of 6 million, that does not seem enough to ensure our rights and liberties, I would much rather have 10,000 or 100,000 and being divisive will not build to that number.

 

[Bill Starks]

Various links to the rally

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...et-off-our-butts-187611681.html?tab=video&c=y


http://www.king5.com/news/Guns-Across-America-rally-at-State-Capitol-today-187594431.html


http://www.kirotv.com/ap/ap/social-issues/about-1500-rally-in-olympia-to-oppose-gun-control/nT23m/


http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/hundreds-rally-protect-gun-owners-rights/nT2z4/


http://www.theolympian.com/2013/01/19/2390765/1200-to-1500-rally-in-olympia.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpJvFxAUEQ&feature=youtu.be


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pitols-pro-assault-rifle-rallies-country.html

Youtube Videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZobH1s_mEe8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ldLB9imPPQ

FaceBook
https://www.facebook.com/GunsAcrossAmericaWAState?ref=stream

 

[Bill Starks]

 

[Jeff Hayes]

Orphan, Tom,

If the point of the speakers is to preach to the choir, why bother having them? I was expecting the speakers to be working the crowd, but also to be presenting a face to the media that builds up our numbers. That is what I was talking about by being inclusive, we had ~3000 folks there, but in a state of 6 million, that does not seem enough to ensure our rights and liberties, I would much rather have 10,000 or 100,000 and being divisive will not build to that number.

The numbers that matter are how much of the total population turns out to support a cause, Cease Fire had several hundred we had several thousand, those numbers get extrapolated to those that vote. The simple fact is most people will not show up at an event. The ones that show up show in larger numbers will most of the time get their way.

 

[Freedom1Man]

More photos.
http://www.southsoundpatriots.com/id160.html

 

[44Brent]

 

[TheGunMan]

Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpJvFxAUEQ&feature=share&list=UUKx2Q7YeX7R4063o8x-2l3w

[video=youtube;OZpJvFxAUEQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpJvFxAUEQ&feature=share&list=UUKx2Q7YeX7R4063o8x-2l3w[/video]

Thanks for the Film. I was not able to gobut my thoughts were there.

 

[rapgood]

Very much enjoyed putting faces to names on Sat. Wish I could have stayed longer and met up with folks at Cabela's for lunch, but my wife called and I had to race home to take her to the hospital. Didn't get home from the hospital until after 6:00 am Sunday, so spent most of the day catching up on sleep.

Thanks for the props here about my speaking, folks. 2Am and Art. I, § 24 are clearly near and dear to my heart. Although, I must admit that it makes my heart heavy to see such lengthy disputes about the propriety of mentioning God in some of the presentations. Would it have been proper for me to mention God in my presentation? Proper? Sure. Necessary? No. I suggest that we can all take a moment of reflection privately to seek God's protection of the rights he has given us. But, to my view, Saturday was a day for all of us to help ourselves to protect that which God has given us. Speaking out to our governments about our concerns is the proper and lawful way to air our thoughts as is guaranteed by the "redress of grievances" clause in 1Am.

I ask only two things from each of you: 1) Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and the Constitution and laws of the State of <insert your state name, here -- I use "Washington">, and 2) protect and defend not only your own rights, but also the rights of those who disagree with you. If you choose to make a supplication to the divinity of your choice for assistance, please do so. That is your right as mandated and guaranteed by 1Am. If you choose to do otherwise, that too is your right as guaranteed by 1Am. As I have been known to say (and passionately believe), 2Am comes right after 1Am so that we have a way to protect and defend 1Am against tyranny of the government infringing those rights (at least, that's what the framers said when they wrote the Bill of Rights -- and I believe them). And, to the anti's who are reading this (and you know who you are), 2Am has nothing to do with hunting rights and has everything to do with our rights to protect ourselves, families and friends from governmental tyranny. So please quit trying to blow sunshine up my ass in a disingenuous attempt to convince us all otherwise.

Thanks for your time and kind consideration to my thoughts. And, again, thank you for protecting and defending my Constitutions and my Bill of Rights. I promise the same in return.

Rev. Robert Apgood

 

[adam3176]

I am equally angry about Freedom1man and his buddy showing up to troll the rally with their "socialist security" signs that also had nothing to do with gun rights.

Interesting, Since you were so Angry at Him and his "BUDDY" for "TROLLING" Did you say something at the rally? Or did you wait till you got home behind your computer screen where you are safe?

I think there were like 2,500 trollers doing the same thing everyone else was. I think that word "TROLL" is used most to outcast anyone that does not see things exactly the same as you. Even though I believe everyone was there for the same reason. So that is a Cold blow in my Opinion. its easy to talk behind someones back because they dont act exactly like everyone else. Or have a sign that says the exact same thing everyone elses sign says. *****************************************

 

[MSG Laigaie]

My point is that the speeches aren't what gets the message to our legislators. It's our numbers......... We were there to protect rights, all of them.

And, to the anti's who are reading this (and you know who you are), 2Am has nothing to do with hunting rights and has everything to do with our rights to protect ourselves, families and friends from governmental tyranny. So please quit trying to blow sunshine up my ass in a disingenuous attempt to convince us all otherwise.
]Rev. Robert Apgood[/URL]

The legislators may not listen to us, they may tune out our voices, but they cannot dispute our NUMBERS.
Rap, I wanted to meet you saturday, but it was a crazy day, maybe next time. I do like the comment tho.

 

[godsdaddy]

Well done

I attended Saturday’s rally with my wife and daughter, and overall I think it was an excellent event. The speakers were what they were, and you can't please all of the people, all of the time. I heard a lot of things said that I didn't necessarily agreed with, but I'm not offended by someone else's opinions... I simply chose not to listen. I want to thank the organizers for bringing this together, and everyone else who showed up for participating.

I will say that I see a little bit of irony in the fact that the organizers asked people attending NOT to bring long guns (too bad, I did anyway), or wear cammies, etc. because of the "public affairs" aspect of not looking like what the opposition things all pro-2A people are (fringe militant nut jobs), and then those same organizers turn around and bring up a speaker (Didier) who goes right off the deep end (and almost into tinfoil land, IMHO) of that same "fringe" the opposition groups all pro-2A people in to. Hello pot, I'm the kettle...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I attended Saturday’s rally with my wife and daughter, and overall I think it was an excellent event. The speakers were what they were, and you can't please all of the people, all of the time. I heard a lot of things said that I didn't necessarily agreed with, but I'm not offended by someone else's opinions... I simply chose not to listen. I want to thank the organizers for bringing this together, and everyone else who showed up for participating.

I will say that I see a little bit of irony in the fact that the organizers asked people attending NOT to bring long guns (too bad, I did anyway), or wear cammies, etc. because of the "public affairs" aspect of not looking like what the opposition things all pro-2A people are (fringe militant nut jobs), and then those same organizers turn around and bring up a speaker (Didier) who goes right off the deep end (and almost into tinfoil land, IMHO) of that same "fringe" the opposition groups all pro-2A people in to. Hello pot, I'm the kettle...

see that's part of what I disliked.

I agree it was a great rally, Jim (DEROS) Deserves alot of credit, he did a great job organizing it. I have organized large events in the past as well, one did not go off entirely according to plan and still went well, I recieved praise but also constructive criticism. after an event is over people have to talk about stuff like this so improvement can take place.

 

[nadaslave]

Oly Rally...

I enjoyed Saturdays rally alot, to me seeing americans exercising thier "God" given or "Founder" given or just plain fought and died for given rights (1st & 2nd through the 10th) was empowering. The speakers were informative on all kinds of issues, Shahram Hadian opened my perception alot, imagine what that guy has to be worring about, a death threat for changing his views? Good thing we have Chairwoman Lynda Wilson in there, she knocked it outa the park. And Clint Didier whether some like it or not told it like it is. His speech was a synopsis of what the worst case cenario could be IF we dont stand up and do what we all did Saturday. Bitching about God or religion or getting prepared mixed into a 2A rally is a waste of time, its a combination of all these ideas and actions from like minded poeple that give us freedom and liberty. Thank you to all who helped put the rally together.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I enjoyed Saturdays rally alot, to me seeing americans exercising thier "God" given or "Founder" given or just plain fought and died for given rights (1st & 2nd through the 10th) was empowering. The speakers were informative on all kinds of issues, Shahram Hadian opened my perception alot, imagine what that guy has to be worring about, a death threat for changing his views? Good thing we have Chairwoman Lynda Wilson in there, she knocked it outa the park. And Clint Didier whether some like it or not told it like it is. His speech was a synopsis of what the worst case cenario could be IF we dont stand up and do what we all did Saturday. Bitching about God or religion or getting prepared mixed into a 2A rally is a waste of time, its a combination of all these ideas and actions from like minded poeple that give us freedom and liberty. Thank you to all who helped put the rally together.

Yeah, because I'm sure in Western Washington there's a roving hit squad going door to door looking for Shahram Hadian. I'm sure the local mosque probably has a comprehensive database of apostates and they're actively following up on them.

 

[gogodawgs]

I was very angry about this.... but this is my 4th edit of the message to make it less confrontational... but I'll just have to say it<snip>

see that's part of what I disliked.

I agree it was a great rally, Jim (DEROS) Deserves alot of credit, he did a great job organizing it. I have organized large events in the past as well, one did not go off entirely according to plan and still went well, I recieved praise but also constructive criticism. after an event is over people have to talk about stuff like this so improvement can take place.

Well which one was it? A rally that made you very angry or a great rally?

Constructive criticism would of been to contact Jim directly and interact with him on who, what, why, how speakers and topics were picked or not picked. NOT to start a new thread (there were already 2 on the rally) and openly get angry because you disliked some of the content/speakers. By choosing to start an entirely new thread you decided to take cheap shots at the organizers of the rally by sitting behind your computer instead of in a professional manner where as you could learn more about the process. This rally was put together in about 10 days. It was done with money directly out of Jim's own pocket. It was done by trusting speakers like Hadian, Didier, Wilson based upon hearing them speak before and trusting in their intellect and status. Their status is something they have earned. Something you could do a lot to understand, yet you continue to do the opposite.

And lastly, I was not able to attend as I was stuck in Vegas at the world's largest gathering of gun manufacturer's and outdoor products...

 

[Jeff Hayes]

Well which one was it? A rally that made you very angry or a great rally?

Constructive criticism would of been to contact Jim directly and interact with him on who, what, why, how speakers and topics were picked or not picked. NOT to start a new thread (there were already 2 on the rally) and openly get angry because you disliked some of the content/speakers. By choosing to start an entirely new thread you decided to take cheap shots at the organizers of the rally by sitting behind your computer instead of in a professional manner where as you could learn more about the process. This rally was put together in about 10 days. It was done with money directly out of Jim's own pocket. It was done by trusting speakers like Hadian, Didier, Wilson based upon hearing them speak before and trusting in their intellect and status. Their status is something they have earned. Something you could do a lot to understand, yet you continue to do the opposite.

Well said Gogodawgs

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Well which one was it? A rally that made you very angry or a great rally?

Constructive criticism would of been to contact Jim directly and interact with him on who, what, why, how speakers and topics were picked or not picked. NOT to start a new thread (there were already 2 on the rally) and openly get angry because you disliked some of the content/speakers. By choosing to start an entirely new thread you decided to take cheap shots at the organizers of the rally by sitting behind your computer instead of in a professional manner where as you could learn more about the process. This rally was put together in about 10 days. It was done with money directly out of Jim's own pocket. It was done by trusting speakers like Hadian, Didier, Wilson based upon hearing them speak before and trusting in their intellect and status. Their status is something they have earned. Something you could do a lot to understand, yet you continue to do the opposite.

When I stated "this" I mean Didier not the rally in general.

I think ONE guest speaker was out in tin-foil land and another was honest, but maybe a little too preachy.

I then stated in a later post that guest speakers should submit an outline of their remarks and reminded to keep narrowly focused. I brought up a problem and suggested a solution. that's not taking a cheap shot. And it's obvious here that some people agree somewhat with me, and others more with you, there has been a discussion on this topic.

I wanted a discussion on this topic to see what most of the members here actually thought if people agreed with me or if I was the one being unreasonable. And it must be noted that other then a sarcastic comment I made regarding Hadian and Apostasy and some remarks about Didier, I have not personally attacked ANY one on this thread... ok maybe Freedom1man but I doubt you really care about that...

I don't doubt your sincerity in liking Hadian and Didier, hell I actually like Hadian, never liked Didier for numerous reasons, I wouldn't have doubted you if you said you had met them. the fact they'll pose for a photo op doesn't change the fact that Didier may just have won Freedom1man's vote with his speech about EMP bombs and forming committees of safety, it's not a concept the majority of gun owners will embrace, and was divisive because there are many liberal democrats who own guns in this state.

 

[aa1911]

I thought overall the rally was excellent; I was pleasantly surprised overall, only saw two guys in camo. not that it should matter what you wear, but I think we projected a positive image. Did I agree with everything every speaker said? No, but for the most part it was relavant.

Did not recognize too many folks, looked briefly for the handful of you guys I know by face but got there right as everything was kicking off at noon. Stood there and froze but was a very good experience.

it was a good visual to see 'liberty's teeth' so to speak!

and the handful of state troopers providing 'extra security' was pretty funny. As Workman mentioned, I've never felt safer in my life! thousands of people with thousands of guns! gonna need a fleet of tanks to stop that.