Did you know that Fuddruckers is off limits to weapons?

[Grapeshot]

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Curtis wrote:

Kevin Jensen wrote:

Mr Jensen,

You are most welcome and feel free to post my reply. I will set up an account later today and post feedback. . We enjoyed your group so much we proudly posted the pictures on the Fuddruckers Sandy face book page. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/album.php?aid=122357&id=148609522916
You are all welcome at Fudds Utah anytime, just give me a heads up so we can accomodate your groups.

Sincerely,

Jesse Liera
Fuddruckers Utah

Maybe you guys in Virginia can come visit the Utah Fudd's.

Eh. Or not.

Part of OC dinners, in my opinion, is the fact that they are generally NOT private events. I don't like the "sure sure I can break the rules and hush you off to a side or back room for my bottom line benefit and for you to pay for an overpriced burger." OC does not require, nor necessitate, special accomodations.

The message that needs to be sent is "Yes, you are hurting yourself by doing this." not "Yes, we are offended by the decisions of corporate but we will still give them money by way of this location.... which they assume is enforcing the anti-gun rules and thus we are not sending any message whatsoever."

This is the same crap that some people don't get about Buffalo Wild Wings, and I don't get why it seems hard to grasp.

Hey there guys, glad you have some of the franchisees are on your side. You still help feed the same corporate coffers that deny us. What's wrong with that image? Think about it.

This is a bit like duck hunters and deer hunters not being concerned with OC - it is still a net loss to us all when a segment is lost - whether is it duck shooters or Virginia OCers at Fuddruckers.

And no, I'm not for backroom dinners either.

Yata hey

 

[UtahJarhead]

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I agree with you, but this Franchise manager is on our side. He said he does still take orders from headquarters and if the headquarters (corporate) won't allow him to seat an OC group publicly, then he'd go behind their back and do it privately. He's trying to help OC'ers out with this. Perhaps if enough voices of the Franchises speak up, maybe it will help change Corporate's tune? Speak with some of your VA franchises and relay what the Franchise owners are doing here in Utah. Maybe they'll follow suit.

Agreed, it is a little of a mixed message, but which action is louder? Supporting the dissenter that's snubbing his nose at his bosses which indirectly makes those bosses money by us spending money there, or the boycott of Fuddruckers as a whole and leaving a terrible taste in the mouth of the franchise owners that tried to help us? "We tried helping them and they kicked us to the curb."

I honestly don't know, but it feels right supporting the dissenters.

 

[curtiswr]

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UtahJarhead wrote:

I agree with you, but this Franchise manager is on our side. He said he does still take orders from headquarters and if the headquarters (corporate) won't allow him to seat an OC group publicly, then he'd go behind their back and do it privately. He's trying to help OC'ers out with this. Perhaps if enough voices of the Franchises speak up, maybe it will help change Corporate's tune? Speak with some of your VA franchises and relay what the Franchise owners are doing here in Utah. Maybe they'll follow suit.

Agreed, it is a little of a mixed message, but which action is louder? Supporting the dissenter that's snubbing his nose at his bosses which indirectly makes those bosses money by us spending money there, or the boycott of Fuddruckers as a whole and leaving a terrible taste in the mouth of the franchise owners that tried to help us? "We tried helping them and they kicked us to the curb."

I honestly don't know, but it feels right supporting the dissenters.

The quiet dissent offered by the manager does nothing as no one is aware of it but the rule breakers in this case. It is not a loud action at all. That is why it is quiet, and behind the back of corporate. Corporate believes the rules are being enforced and everything is peachy keen and "haha they are still making 700 in their last hour of the night while not allowing open carry inside, we were right" and no rules ever get changed.

It isn't hard to explain and I'm sure the franchise owner would understand. It is something decided by those above them, but they are unfortunately hurt by it... which is why they should be encouraged on a wider scale to express their concerns to those above them.

Here's a quick start to a simple, polite explanation to the franchise owner/manager:

"I would love to frequent your establishment and I appreciate your support, however as it is a corporate policy they would as well be receiving my support, and potentially be putting you in a troublesome position."

Complacency is complacency is complacency and support is support is support.

You might feel like you are doing good by snubbing your noses... but that's all it is. It's a feel-good measure that will accomplish nothing and potentially be a detriment in the end.

 

[curtiswr]

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I apologize if my post(s) right now are hard to follow in any way or contain grammatical errors. I took two Benadryl and am fading fast.

 

[TFred]

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What do you expect the guy to do?

I applaud his action. From what he's said, he's taken it as far as he can without risking his franchise.

Do you expect him to put his living on the line in support of a cause that is not his own? What if these Corporate folks are really nutty and would move to take away his franchise for breach of contract?

What has a greater influence on a corporate mindset, a handful of franchise stores that suffer marginally discernable reduced sales, or a handful of franchise stores who say "hey look at these extra sales I got that you (corporate) are throwing away every day!"

This guy has invested a substantial amount of money and time into his business. He could easily choose the "safe" route, but instead he's taken on a certain amount of risk to offer support. I think it would be foolish to greet that support with anything other than tremendous thanks and patronage.

TFred

 

[Grapeshot]

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Guys I understand your reasoning and even appreciate it some - but unfortunately it is a local comfort thing IMHO.

If the federal government, said no more hunting west of the Missouri - should I care, I'm where I can hunt all I want - I'll even send you pictures of my nice buck. :?

We have a few franchisee restaurants here too. They're sad to see us go - THAT might put some pressure on Corporate.

Yatahey

 

[curtiswr]

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TFred wrote:

What do you expect the guy to do?

I applaud his action. From what he's said, he's taken it as far as he can without risking his franchise.

Do you expect him to put his living on the line in support of a cause that is not his own? What if these Corporate folks are really nutty and would move to take away his franchise for breach of contract?

What has a greater influence on a corporate mindset, a handful of franchise stores that suffer marginally discernable reduced sales, or a handful of franchise stores who say "hey look at these extra sales I got that you (corporate) are throwing away every day!"

This guy has invested a substantial amount of money and time into his business. He could easily choose the "safe" route, but instead he's taken on a certain amount of risk to offer support. I think it would be foolish to greet that support with anything other than tremendous thanks and patronage.

TFred

So you are saying that corporate folks couldn't just as well say "Hey thanks for making the money for us, but at the same time you did it by breaching contract. We have made ourselves very clear on our gun policy. You are no longer part of Fuddrucker's and we will be filing suit with regard to the breaches of contract. See ya in court."

?

It's not about breaking the rules and it's not about him putting his living on the line because of a cause he doesn't support... and no one is asking that he do say. (Which by the way he is voluntarily doing so in mentioning and allowing it to be publicly proclaimed that he will go behind the backs of corporate and ignore the policies.)

It's not about guns at franchise owners' levels , and that's why the franchise owners need to bring their issue of "Hey we've noticed a decline in ... since it has become public that.... and we've gotten a lot of feedback..." to corporate. It's a chain of events sort of thing. Some in the chain may be motivated for another reason, but ultimately they all work for the benefit of others involved.

 

[t33j]

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Bad dog, here's a treat.

I don't see a way that a franchise owner could be supported without supporting corporate.

 

[Grapeshot]

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t33j wrote:

Bad dog, here's a treat.

I don't see a way that a franchise owner could be supported without supporting corporate.

Precisely - That is the problem.

No matter how you scratch it, it is the same dog.

Yata hey

 

[TFred]

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Well it's a tough question. I guess my point is that you're making an enemy out of a guy who is trying to be a friend, and who is taking a stand for us and not against us, against powers that he cannot control.

I don't like making enemies out of friends if there is any possible way to not do that, and I don't think you should count someone as an enemy if they have not made a direct or indirect decision to be one.

We don't yet have enough friends that we can discard some of them.

All IMHO of course.

TFred

 

[fully_armed_biker]

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Somewhere along the line, someone...either corporate or the franchisee is lying...

This from one of the emails, elsewhere in this thread, sent by corporate:

The firearm policy you have read online pertains to only 'corporate'
Fuddruckers locations and not any of our franchise owned locations. The
location you have selected in your email is a franchise owned location
and all franchise owners have the right to set their own restaurant
policies.

This from the franchisee:

On 4/13/2010 10:22 AM, JESSE LIERA wrote:
Dear Mr. Jensen,

I am writing back to let you know your groups are always welcome at my Utah locations. If corporate enforces this then I will be happy to section off part of the restaurant and allow you to hold a private event. As a franchisee, I am required to follow all Fuddruckers Corporate policies and procedures. I do have some say so on the private events I host.

Please feel free to contact me directly should you have other questions or suggestions.

Thanks!

Jesse Liera
Owner Operator
Fuddruckers Utah

So...which is it? Are the franchisees able to set their own policies, or are they required to follow all corporate policies? Someone's trying to blow smoke up someone's a$$. Enough of a reason for me to say I'll go spend my money elsewhere.

 

[curtiswr]

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TFred wrote:

Well it's a tough question. I guess my point is that you're making an enemy out of a guy who is trying to be a friend, and who is taking a stand for us and not against us, against powers that he cannot control.

I don't like making enemies out of friends if there is any possible way to not do that, and I don't think you should count someone as an enemy if they have not made a direct or indirect decision to be one.

We don't yet have enough friends that we can discard some of them.

All IMHO of course.

TFred

This isn't about the franchise owner. This isn't about boycotting the franchise owner. This is about the company and not supporting the company. If the company has policies that we do not agree with, we should not eat there. If the company has polcies that convince us not to eat there, and it indirectly hurts franchise owners then the franchise owners need to take that issue up with corporate.... and you don't do that by snubbing your nose with a feel-good-do-nothing approach.

I'm not saying discard a friend and write off the franchise owner. I'm saying help the franchise owner understand that because it is a corporate policy we would still be supporting the corporation. It is great that the franchise owner wants to help, but the current method isn't really helping. What would be helpful is that said franchise owner networks with other franchise owners and discusses the issue and loss of revenue and bring the issue up to corporate as a whole.

"The store that said they would lose tons of sales if we keep this gun ban is actually still making record numbers of sales right now throughout the country. If they can do it, so can all these other stores that these OCDO folks are talking about... we will keep the gun ban policy in place."

What corporate doesn't know can't hurt them right? What corporate doesn't know can hurt us. And what do you get? Some franchise owners that will honor corporate's policies and others that won't. You really get nowhere.

 

[deaconmaster]

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While I find thewhole "enemy" and "friend"characterization seems a little over the top, is the friend of my enemy is also my enemy?

The answer to the question notwithstanding, I firmly believe that no one here wishesbad things to befall or has personal ill will towards "supportive" franchisees, managers of corporate Fuddruckers stores or even the Fuddruckers executives who formulated this policy. These people are not the enemy.

At the same time, a portion of any dollar spent in any Fuddruckers store will find its way corporate. There simply is no way to patronize even a sympathetic franchiseewithout simultaneously supporting Fuddruckers' corporate anti-gun policy. Therefore, even the sympathetic franchisee is not a "friend"of law-abiding citizens looking to exercise their 2nd Amemdment right.Thus,whenI choose to spend my money elsewhere, Ido not "discard" a friend.Rather, I simply choose not to support in any way a corporation that hasasserted its right to adopt an anti-gun policy...nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Kevin Jensen]

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fully_armed_biker wrote:

Somewhere along the line, someone...either corporate or the franchisee is lying...

This from one of the emails, elsewhere in this thread, sent by corporate:

The firearm policy you have read online pertains to only 'corporate'
Fuddruckers locations and not any of our franchise owned locations. The
location you have selected in your email is a franchise owned location
and all franchise owners have the right to set their own restaurant
policies.

This from the franchisee:

On 4/13/2010 10:22 AM, JESSE LIERA wrote:
Dear Mr. Jensen,

I am writing back to let you know your groups are always welcome at my Utah locations. If corporate enforces this then I will be happy to section off part of the restaurant and allow you to hold a private event. As a franchisee, I am required to follow all Fuddruckers Corporate policies and procedures. I do have some say so on the private events I host.

Please feel free to contact me directly should you have other questions or suggestions.

Thanks!

Jesse Liera
Owner Operator
Fuddruckers Utah

So...which is it? Are the franchisees able to set their own policies, or are they required to follow all corporate policies? Someone's trying to blow smoke up someone's a$$. Enough of a reason for me to say I'll go spend my money elsewhere.

 

[fully_armed_biker]

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Kevin Jensen wrote:

fully_armed_biker wrote:

Somewhere along the line, someone...either corporate or the franchisee is lying...

This from one of the emails, elsewhere in this thread, sent by corporate:

The firearm policy you have read online pertains to only 'corporate'
Fuddruckers locations and not any of our franchise owned locations. The
location you have selected in your email is a franchise owned location
and all franchise owners have the right to set their own restaurant
policies.

This from the franchisee:

On 4/13/2010 10:22 AM, JESSE LIERA wrote:
Dear Mr. Jensen,

I am writing back to let you know your groups are always welcome at my Utah locations. If corporate enforces this then I will be happy to section off part of the restaurant and allow you to hold a private event. As a franchisee, I am required to follow all Fuddruckers Corporate policies and procedures. I do have some say so on the private events I host.

Please feel free to contact me directly should you have other questions or suggestions.

Thanks!

Jesse Liera
Owner Operator
Fuddruckers Utah

So...which is it? Are the franchisees able to set their own policies, or are they required to follow all corporate policies? Someone's trying to blow smoke up someone's a$$. Enough of a reason for me to say I'll go spend my money elsewhere.

...And what's your point?!?!?!....My point is the franchisee said that asa franchise they are REQUIRED to follow corporate policy....and corporate is saying as a franchise they can set their own policy...YOU HAVE NO POINT!

 

[Kevin Jensen]

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fully_armed_biker wrote:

And what's your point?!?!?!....My point is the franchisee said that asa franchise they are REQUIRED to follow corporate policy....and corporate is saying as a franchise they can set their own policy...YOU HAVE NO POINT!

Fack... hostile?

This is my point.




Kevin,

This is a 'corporate restaurant' policy. We do not speak for our franchise locations.

Adriana Thompson
Guest Services Specialist

Fuddruckers-The World's Greatest Hamburger
Koo Koo Roo Chicken Bistro-Live. Laugh. Cluck!
5700 Mopac Expy South; Ste C300
Austin, TX 78749
http://www.fuddruckers.com
http://www.kookooroo.com

 

[wylde007]

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Kevin Jensen wrote:

Fuddruckers-The World's Greatest Hamburger

Wrong.

That's like me saying I'm the world's greatest lover. While it's easy for me to believe, I seem to be having a hard time convincing others of this indisputable fact.:banghead::lol:

 

[swillden]

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UtahJarhead wrote:

I honestly don't know, but it feels right supporting the dissenters.

I see both sides of this argument.

On balance... I'm going to eat lunch at the Fuddrucker's in Sandy today.

 

[AbNo]

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Tomahawk wrote:

Well, if anyone knows where I can find a good ostrich burger, let me know.

I actually did like their food and the people in Annandale were nice. Too bad for them.

Don't know about ostrich, but I found a place that had kangaroo sausages in Chicago a few years ago. :exclaim:

 

[AbNo]

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Grapeshot wrote:

TFred wrote:

Anybody know where else you can get french-fried sweet potatos?

TFred

O'Charley's - gun friendly too.
http://www.ocharleys.com/side_items/

Yata hey

Cite? There's one in town here, and I was thinking of stopping by again.

And yes I'm double-posting. Deal with it.