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Boston PD to monitor police cars by GPS tracking... officers don't like it

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davidmcbeth

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If you get pulled over and immediately start out with the attitude just because the other person is wearing blue (or green or w/e color) isn't that wrong?


What law covers this?

Get stopped, peppered with questions, harassed, telling me how I am such a bad person. You don't want to pull me over if you have such thin skin.

After my last stop and ticket for going too fast, it was the cop who got the once over by the judge, not me. Not guilty was the verdict!

Speeding never hurt anyone.
 
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What law covers this?

Get stopped, peppered with questions, harassed, telling me how I am such a bad person. You don't want to pull me over if you have such thin skin.

After my last stop and ticket for going too fast, it was the cop who got the once over by the judge, not me. Not guilty was the verdict!

Speeding never hurt anyone.

Well I'm glad your so Bad A** you can keep LEOs in check with your tough tongue that apparantly tears through thing hide....

I'm glad you were able to beat a traffic citation... I mean no one is ever able to do that... I mean there aren't hundreds of those beat on a daily basis... Your clearly more witty then any Officer and were able to outsmart him and his "shananigans".
 

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...Did you ever think your "guarded attitude and exercised rights" may have ever caused a bad encounter? You sound like someone who got a parking ticket once so now you hate the uniform forever...

A guarded attitude and exercised rights should NEVER cause a bad encounter. Hell, they CAN'T cause a bad encounter. Only an officer overstepping his bounds or a citizen breaking the law can do that.

I suggest that you change your thinking on that. To me, that is the thinking of a rogue cop. Please, get it out of your head!


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We ask that we be judged by our actions, not by the way we are attired.

Our profession (everyday Joe) hasn't exactly done an exemplary job of cleaning out the bad apples from within our group.

Don't be absurd--it looks bad in a moderator.

There is a huge distinction between cops and citizens. We can't testily professionally, violate rights with near impunity, ruin people financially on a whim, and count on our union and colleagues to back us up while doing it.

A citizen has no way to know whether the cop who is confronting him is a good cop or bad cop. Its entirely possible he may not find out until its too late.

When the police industry tears down the Blue Wall of Silence and abolishes everything it hides, then I will consider not judging a cop by his uniform. Until then, I can't tell the good ones from the bad ones until its possibly too late.

And, police have no standing to complain. If they don't like the way bad cops reflect on them, they can get rid of the bad cops.
 

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A guarded attitude and exercised rights should NEVER cause a bad encounter. Hell, they CAN'T cause a bad encounter. Only an officer overstepping his bounds or a citizen breaking the law can do that.

I suggest that you change your thinking on that. To me, that is the thinking of a rogue cop. Please, get it out of your head!


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Blue Wall of Silence? lol did you say that with a sound track? dun dun dun dun dun dun...... The Great Wall of Silence!!

If you only knew how thin that "blue line" really was. Sure when bullets start flying we stick together (as any guys in any type of service, Firefighters, EMS, etc.) but when the shoe drops and dudes get in trouble yuo'd be surprised how fast guys speak up and against eachother.

Did you ever think your "guarded attitude and exercised rights" may have ever caused a bad encounter? You sound like someone who got a parking ticket once so now you hate the uniform forever.

Experiment... try your "guarded attitude" on the waiter at your next restraunt or coffe shop. If you give a s**** attitude you get s***** service. Let me know how your food tastes...

Oh, ho, ho. I missed that last time.

Look at that little assumption, readers. He assumes a bad attitude.

For years, I have written this suggestion to readers: "No offense, officer. I know you're just doing your job, but I don't consent..."

I wouldn't say I was the one with the low opinion of others. He's the one whose attitude assumes we're going to be impolite while exercising our rights.

We should thank Primus for that little revelation. And, the one Eye95 called out about attitude never being a justification for being unprofessional. For new readers, if you will read the Bill of Rights, you will see that there is no requirement to exercise rights politely. Rights are rights are rights are rights.
 

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At my job, all my internet usage is tracked (don't really like it, but that's how it is). Why don't police like be tracked?
 

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He's the one whose attitude assumes we're going to be impolite while exercising our rights.

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Nope not "impolite while" but in ALL Opinion Enforcement Officer's opinions it is IMPOLITE TO exercise our rights!

NOTE: The preceding in no way to be considered as COP BASHING! It isn't directed to the PEACE OFFICER but only to the subset and poorly thought of OEO--- Opinion Enforcement Officer
 

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A guarded attitude and exercised rights should NEVER cause a bad encounter. Hell, they CAN'T cause a bad encounter. Only an officer overstepping his bounds or a citizen breaking the law can do that.

I suggest that you change your thinking on that. To me, that is the thinking of a rogue cop. Please, get it out of your head!


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Well I believe our "guarded attitudes" may differ. It was a vague statement and I took it as something like .... "Evening Sir, how are you tonight" "GO F*** Yourself"........ Or.... "Sir are you aware you were going a little fast back there?" "What?? B***** Your lying! Let me see your radar gun!!"..... Those lead to bad encounters...

I'm not sure why everyone does this. If you walked into McDonald's and screamed at the Lady and swore at her, why kind of response would you respect? A "Bad encounter" would ensure. Hell, go to ANY person on ANY street and yell or act beligerent.. you're likely to get punched in the head. For some reason, the belief is because a person puts a uniform on he/she is supposed to just it up with a smile. While that IS the case, sometimes, it shouldn't just be the norm.

If your take of "guarded attitude" was anything less then I described, such as maybe not wanting to give name right away, or maybe asserting the "Am I being detained" question... then NO that should NOT lead to a bad encounter.
 

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Oh, ho, ho. I missed that last time.

Look at that little assumption, readers. He assumes a bad attitude.

For years, I have written this suggestion to readers: "No offense, officer. I know you're just doing your job, but I don't consent..."

I wouldn't say I was the one with the low opinion of others. He's the one whose attitude assumes we're going to be impolite while exercising our rights.

We should thank Primus for that little revelation. And, the one Eye95 called out about attitude never being a justification for being unprofessional. For new readers, if you will read the Bill of Rights, you will see that there is no requirement to exercise rights politely. Rights are rights are rights are rights.

Who are you talking to? Are we on TV and I missed it?

Correct I ASSUMED bad attitidue. If I was wrong, then I stand corrected. It's tough not to assume things when you use words like "guarded attitude" whatever that means.
 

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A guarded attitude and exercised rights should NEVER cause a bad encounter. Hell, they CAN'T cause a bad encounter. Only an officer overstepping his bounds or a citizen breaking the law can do that.

I suggest that you change your thinking on that. To me, that is the thinking of a rogue cop. Please, get it out of your head!


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Eye, here's the only other way I can explain a bad encounter even if all parties are "legal". It's not illegal for the person to give the LEO an attitude. Also, it's not illegal for the LEO to give the person an attitude. The LEO can tell you he thinkgs it's dumb your doing something. My definition of bad encounter may be different. I don't just see an arrest as bad, even if the two parties, to include the LEO, start yelling or get disrespectful then it's a bad encounter.
 

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Well I believe our "guarded attitudes" may differ. It was a vague statement and I took it as something like .... "Evening Sir, how are you tonight" "GO F*** Yourself"........ Or.... "Sir are you aware you were going a little fast back there?" "What?? B***** Your lying! Let me see your radar gun!!"..... Those lead to bad encounters...

I'm not sure why everyone does this. If you walked into McDonald's and screamed at the Lady and swore at her, why kind of response would you respect? A "Bad encounter" would ensure. Hell, go to ANY person on ANY street and yell or act beligerent.. you're likely to get punched in the head. For some reason, the belief is because a person puts a uniform on he/she is supposed to just it up with a smile. While that IS the case, sometimes, it shouldn't just be the norm.

If your take of "guarded attitude" was anything less then I described, such as maybe not wanting to give name right away, or maybe asserting the "Am I being detained" question... then NO that should NOT lead to a bad encounter.

In what world can either of your examples be considered "guarded?" You tried to scramble to cover your ass, but I think you slipped and busted it.
 

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In what world can either of your examples be considered "guarded?" You tried to scramble to cover your ass, but I think you slipped and busted it.

You can think what you want. Some of you are so desperate to find things or statements you'll see them in anything. I could say anything and you'll find away to be offended about it, or it will some how prove some notion you have.

Also, if you read the thread, we were previously talking about people being beligerent and yelling and swearing. So when he threw his "term", that has still yet to be defined, I assumed (wrong of me maybe) that he was putting that behavior with a nice name.
 

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Bolded is factually incorrect. We have many jobs or "hats" as we call them. When we go to a med call and revive your sick grandmother, we aren't arresting anyone. When we go to the accident and block traffic so you don't get smashed by more vehicles (oh and get plowed into and killed on the highway, which happens to be leading cause of death to LEOs last I checked), when we get the call for the guy whos drunk and passed out on the sidewalk and we bring them to the hospital we aren't making arrests.

Listen my friend, you may fear us because YOU think your a hard target and we want to take you down (like a white rhino), but let me rest assure you.... your probably not nearly as hard of a target as you think and we (meaning my department and guys) have many other, much harder targets to take down (drug dealers, gang members, violent criminals, etc. etc.). As I've said before, act a certain way towards an LEO and you certainly will get treated a certain way.

You should get LEOs on your "side". Know why? We are a large portion of the population that votes with or against you. We also have a say in gun laws. I happen to vote pro gun and conservative, but the bashing that I see by fellow conservatives certainly doesn't help that.

Since when do cops cross into EMT's scope of practice? If I had a dime for every time my former Battalion Chief knocked a LEO down a few pegs for trying to take control of a medical scene/call, or try to intervene and give orders, or even try to assert themselves on a medical call, I would be a very wealthy person, and probably would have moved to a Mexico beach.

I haven't much paid attention to this thread, or what the other posts are, or whatever, but this one caught my eye, because Primus comes across as being a LEO, or a Rent-a-cop, from their wording and context. You see, Primus, if a LEO takes an EMS/EMT's med call, and uses their LEO authority to show up to a medical scene, and dives right into attempting to resuscitate someone, and that person didn't need such actions, the LEO just opened his/herself to a whole world of hurt which Qualified Immunity wouldn't touch with a twenty foot pole. And if you, acting as a LEO/Rent-a-cop, crossed over from law enforcement, to playing EMT/medic, you had better get yourself some really good lube, because you're gonna get reamed left, right, up, down, and out the arse. I've seen two sheriffs-deputies find themselves in a whole world of legal hurt when they tried to act as first responders, and tried to revive and use a AED on a person who had non-schockable a-fib.

Tread lightly, bud, you don't want to come across as someone who treads where angels fear to go, or worse, as a wannabe-cop who knows not what they speak.

I don't mean to come across as bashing, or insulting to Law enforcement, but I'm sure even the most statist LEO on this board can tell you that your badge/uniform doesn't make you Gods gift to 911, nor does it protect you from HIPPA violations, and it sure as HELL doesn't make you an EMT. Unless you have NREMT status, or state cert, then you're just another walking lawsuit.
 
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Well I'm glad your so Bad A** you can keep LEOs in check with your tough tongue that apparantly tears through thing hide....

I'm glad you were able to beat a traffic citation... I mean no one is ever able to do that... I mean there aren't hundreds of those beat on a daily basis... Your clearly more witty then any Officer and were able to outsmart him and his "shananigans".

So there is NO LAW requiring a citizen to be "nice", right?



Swearing is unacceptable to you in front of children? Hahahaha...who are you, the first amendment police?

I've never met a cop who I am not smarter than .... I can do their job, they cannot do mine.

I have lived in location with no police .. none. Guess what? It was a peaceful place to live with no crime.
 
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Well I believe our "guarded attitudes" may differ. It was a vague statement and I took it as something like .... "Evening Sir, how are you tonight" "GO F*** Yourself"........ Or.... "Sir are you aware you were going a little fast back there?" "What?? B***** Your lying! Let me see your radar gun!!"..... Those lead to bad encounters...

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Hahaha .. what, you cannot handle yourself in a professional manner? Its your JOB. I get yelled at my job ... it does not phase me...I still do my job professionally.

The citizen responses listed above are pretty tame. If these statements lead to bad encounters then something is wrong and its not the citizen who's behavior I would question.
 

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I agree on the sometimes speaking as an adult does work better. I usually find that works better when the person isn't already seething over something or isn't already beligerent. Starting by talking to someone as an adult ( I try always at least try to) is a great place to start and should be done by everyone.

I also agree the Ofc. D Bag looks just like me and there are a few on every Dept. But wouldn't that still be racist as I put it? If you treated all African Americans EVERYWHERE as scary, wouldn't that be wrong? My premise still stands when you treat someone because of the color of their uniform (or skin) or the fact they have one. If you get pulled over and immediately start out with the attitude just because the other person is wearing blue (or green or w/e color) isn't that wrong?

Oh that's rich! Trying to bring the race card into his occupation.....hahahahaha.

No and you can't even equate your occupation to private occupations. We don't have the power of the state behind us, lying to the people we encounter usually ends up with us being out of work, most other private individuals compete with each other to provide better services, not conspire and collude for more stolen money, lobbying power, and to cover each others actions.

A guarded attitude and exercised rights should NEVER cause a bad encounter. Hell, they CAN'T cause a bad encounter. Only an officer overstepping his bounds or a citizen breaking the law can do that.

I suggest that you change your thinking on that. To me, that is the thinking of a rogue cop. Please, get it out of your head!


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+1 There are a reason some cops have a better time on this forum, because they have better attitudes and are more liberty centric.

In what world can either of your examples be considered "guarded?" You tried to scramble to cover your ass, but I think you slipped and busted it.

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Well I believe our "guarded attitudes" may differ. It was a vague statement and I took it as something like .... "Evening Sir, how are you tonight" "GO F*** Yourself"........ Or.... "Sir are you aware you were going a little fast back there?" "What?? B***** Your lying! Let me see your radar gun!!"..... Those lead to bad encounters...

I'm not sure why everyone does this. If you walked into McDonald's and screamed at the Lady and swore at her, why kind of response would you respect? A "Bad encounter" would ensure. Hell, go to ANY person on ANY street and yell or act beligerent.. you're likely to get punched in the head. For some reason, the belief is because a person puts a uniform on he/she is supposed to just it up with a smile. While that IS the case, sometimes, it shouldn't just be the norm.

If your take of "guarded attitude" was anything less then I described, such as maybe not wanting to give name right away, or maybe asserting the "Am I being detained" question... then NO that should NOT lead to a bad encounter.

No, what you believe is a guarded attitude and what the rest of the world would consider a guarded attitude is hugely different. A guarded attitude is a wariness, an unwillingness to be immediately forthcoming without assurances that the forthcomingness won't be one's downfall. What you describe is downright rudeness.

Still, if you don't have RAS, a citizen can well tell you to go f yourself, and if the encounter turns bad, it ain't on them. It's on you!

Words mean things. Use them as most folks would, or define them at the time you use them.


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Eye, here's the only other way I can explain a bad encounter even if all parties are "legal". It's not illegal for the person to give the LEO an attitude. Also, it's not illegal for the LEO to give the person an attitude. The LEO can tell you he thinkgs it's dumb your doing something. My definition of bad encounter may be different. I don't just see an arrest as bad, even if the two parties, to include the LEO, start yelling or get disrespectful then it's a bad encounter.

It may not be illegal for a cop to give a citizen attitude, but it is unprofessional and, I hope, against policy.

If you stop me without RAS and give ME attitude, there WILL be a formal complaint filed with IAB or the equivalent. The first time a cop very politely violated my rights, I contacted everyone, including the city attorney's office. If you don't have RAS, take any rudeness in stride, or find another job. If you have RAS and the detainee is being abusive, you have professional ways to deal with it.

If you cannot deal with these situations without feeling like you have to defend your manhood, get another job.


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