arrested for open carry in police station

[solus]

Legal rights are granted by the state, and as such, can be revoked on a whim. If it is not a violation of the laws of MI to enter a unsecured area of a cop shop armed then the cops acted contradictory to state law...and natural law.

as stated all along...tis a judicial matter at the this time...thankfully not the medical examiner's.

ipse

 

[OC for ME]

as stated all along...tis a judicial matter at the this time...thankfully not the medical examiner's.

ipse

I do not disagree...at this time.

Yet, if we must place the burden on the wronged citizen(s) to seek a redress of wrongs at the hands of a state agent, and not place the burden on the state agent to not do wrong, then our 2A right will forever be in peril at the whim of a state agent.

If the law of MI does not prohibit, the irrational fears of those cops are contrary to the law and our rights...legal or otherwise.

 

[TXOC16]

I find it interesting that on a forum dedicated to open carry, a practice still thought by many to be "in your face" and without any common sense or validity for those doing it regardless of its legality, here we are with the majority of members here spewing the same bunk that was & is still used against us.

I don't care how you exercise your legal rights. They're yours and if I disparage you for doing so, then shame on me! For those saying they should have been shot on sight, may I remind you there are still some butt clowns that say they will shoot any open carrier they see on sight because they "feel" threatened by someone carrying openly.

I suggest you listen to this interview with Mr. Baker, he certainly doesn't sound like a raving lunatic to me.

Carry on ...

http://www.atoddsshow.com/

An absolutely wonderful response. Such a shame that those to whom it is directed will neither understand nor take to heart nary a word of it.

We have met the enemy and it is they.

Carry on.

 

[Michigander]

ah, yes, i see your talk is based on nothing but emotionally generated bs... "if" or "have like" or "many many thousands" tho i must profess not having a clue what "people **** talking us" is referring to?

Go on youtube, and take your pick from well more than 100 videos of our "antics". There you will find countless thousands of people commenting who mean just as little to me as you do.

 

[solus]

Go on youtube, and take your pick from well more than 100 videos of our "antics". There you will find countless thousands of people commenting who mean just as little to me as you do.

ah, your term 'antics'...foolish, outrageous, amusing behaviour, got it!

of course, the commentary means so little...ask you, yet your egos thrive on the attention like those individuals who engage in the antic of one punching strangers to see if they can knock them out, or the antics of those engaged in the passout challenge...all recorded and uploaded, then more fun as the group gaggle gets together reading and grumbling over everyone's posted commentary ~ which as you stated means..." just as little to me"!

all foolish, outrageous amusing behaviour...until people are seriously injured or worse!

admit it, your upset the buddies have moved up the attention scale to interviews and you missed out on all the ego boosting attention.

but 'it mean just as little to me" ...hold that thought as you missed out!

ipse

 

[Tacitus42]

ah, your term 'antics'...foolish, outrageous, amusing behaviour, got it!

of course, the commentary means so little...ask you, yet your egos thrive on the attention like those individuals who engage in the antic of one punching strangers to see if they can knock them out, or the antics of those engaged in the passout challenge...all recorded and uploaded, then more fun as the group gaggle gets together reading and grumbling over everyone's posted commentary ~ which as you stated means..." just as little to me"!

all foolish, outrageous amusing behaviour...until people are seriously injured or worse!

admit it, your upset the buddies have moved up the attention scale to interviews and you missed out on all the ego boosting attention.

but 'it mean just as little to me" ...hold that thought as you missed out!

ipse

Again with the personal attacks.

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[solus]

Again with the personal attacks.

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go well into your day as i hope you enjoy the projected partly sunny day as much i will the respite from the record rains we've been having here by curtis...

ipse

 

[2OLD2W8]

legal right and individual right are two very different concepts so please do not obfuscate this issue by mixing apples and Kumquats.

'legal rights', as defined by black's, quote: the term given to a right or privilege that if challenged is supported in court. unquote.
not to be confused with the conversation also going on in this thread where folk are also discussing 'clear legal right' quote: a right that is based on a matter of the law that has been determined by totally accepted facts.

my commentary has been, the citizens time to adjudicate grievances from the citizen's perception, real or perceived, of mishandling of prior interaction(s) w/the nice LEs out in the street is through judicial oversight.
1. the individuals dressed in ski masks - one completely covering their face & the other just had their eyes showing; body armor; and having long gun and handgun readily at hand were not cited after their two encounters w/the nice beat cop(s) and Sgt they encountered ~ correct?
2. they individuals, as described above went to the DPD's headquarter's to complain about their treatment by the field LEs ~ correct?
3. we have absolutely no idea, except their provided commentary, what was said to the field LEs as they left each of the encounter(s), harsh, bravado, or threatening - real or perceived words, exchanged ~ correct?
4. we have established wearing of body armor by MI citizens is against established statute ~ correct? (I wasn't at nor observed the previous contact with the field LEs as to why it was not discussed or cited)
5. we have audio establishing these individuals, dressed as described in #1 failed, repeatedly to obey the 'lawful' orders of the nice LEs inside the DPD ~ correct?

these individual's alleged violation of their 'legal rights' as well as the validity of the citations they received due to their own actions, can and only be, as stated in the definition upheld by the judicial system. once that status has been decided, then and only then can we state these unique individuals have the 'clear legal right' to have done what they did!

at the moment, strictly due to their own volition and through their actions, they lost their firearms & i presume their body armor, and now must run the judicial gambit using someone's (read society's) hard earned money!!

so back to you 20OLD2W8, where do you believe their individual rights, as expressed in the constitution ~ which is where your term is gleaned, were violated as i am quite sure the nice LEs followed the established law to assure their 'rights' were upheld!

ipse

Slow down sparky, you are most confused! My comment was directed solely to FreeInAZ. Arguing opinions is a fools errand; continue your quest, sans my company.

P.S.

FWIW, Please accept this, gratis. The individual rights I eluded to are in the Bill of Rights not in the constitution, but I think you already knew that. :uhoh:

 

[color of law]

Will two times be the charm?

 

[solus]

Slow down sparky, you are most confused! My comment was directed solely to FreeInAZ. Arguing opinions is a fools errand; continue your quest, sans my company.
P.S.
FWIW, Please accept this, gratis. The individual rights I eluded to are in the Bill of Rights not in the constitution, but I think you already knew that. :uhoh:

take this tidbit back in return...when you responded to FreeinAZ co-mingling terms, his use of the word 'legal'/your use of the word 'individual' which are two succinct and separate concepts per se., and co-mingling leads to continued confusion.

oh, you might lookie here at this site...wait let me quote you a portion...

Individual rights in the original Constitution


Though there were some who pushed hard for a bill of rights in the new Constitution, there wasn't one specifically added in the Constitution. However, in what some have termed a "mini-Bill of Rights," some rights were guaranteed by the original Constitution.


In Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution, there are three key individual rights that are protected: ...

The Bill of Rights, which is recognized as the first ten amendments to the Constitution...

unquote http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_resp.html

but i guess 2OLD2W8 you knew that already...huh!!

btw, please do not call me 'sparky'...joe gets upset when you use his name in vain...

ipse

 

[Michigander]

ah, your term 'antics'...foolish, outrageous, amusing behaviour, got it!

of course, the commentary means so little...ask you, yet your egos thrive on the attention like those individuals who engage in the antic of one punching strangers to see if they can knock them out, or the antics of those engaged in the passout challenge...all recorded and uploaded, then more fun as the group gaggle gets together reading and grumbling over everyone's posted commentary ~ which as you stated means..." just as little to me"!

all foolish, outrageous amusing behaviour...until people are seriously injured or worse!

admit it, your upset the buddies have moved up the attention scale to interviews and you missed out on all the ego boosting attention.

but 'it mean just as little to me" ...hold that thought as you missed out!

ipse

Your assumptions speak volumes about your character.

 

[countryclubjoe]

I find it interesting that on a forum dedicated to open carry, a practice still thought by many to be "in your face" and without any common sense or validity for those doing it regardless of its legality, here we are with the majority of members here spewing the same bunk that was & is still used against us.

I don't care how you exercise your legal rights. They're yours and if I disparage you for doing so, then shame on me! For those saying they should have been shot on sight, may I remind you there are still some butt clowns that say they will shoot any open carrier they see on sight because they "feel" threatened by someone carrying openly.

I suggest you listen to this interview with Mr. Baker, he certainly doesn't sound like a raving lunatic to me.

Carry on ...

http://www.atoddsshow.com/

+1

Is wearing a mask an body armor a " CRIME"? If yes, don't LEOS wear mask and body armor on their late night home invasions without warrants on citizens.. See where I'm going..

My .02
CCJ

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

+1

Is wearing a mask an body armor a " CRIME"? If yes, don't LEOS wear mask and body armor on their late night home invasions without warrants on citizens.. See where I'm going..

Actually, no; I don't.
Are you saying that it should be illegal for police officers to wear body armor? Or, are you saying that they shouldn't wear armor when serving warrants (oops... home invasions without warrants, apparently, my bad)?

Were the two protagonists arrested or cited for wearing body armor?

 

[solus]

Vreeland said he and Baker were arrested by multiple police officers and later held for about eight hours in the police department lockup.


Police said officers seized the loaded AP-14 firearm, a rifle magazine containing 47 rounds, an AR-15 rifle, an AK-47 style rifle, a loaded Glock 19 handgun with four additional magazines containing 66 rounds, body armor and ballistic vests, a mask, a gun belt and several pieces of camera equipment.

Baker is charged with breaching the peace, failure to cooperate with police and masking his identity by obscuring his face when he walked into the station. He has not been arraigned on the charges, which are misdemeanors.


Vreeland is charged with breaching the peace, obstructing police and failure to cooperate. Both men are free on $1,500 bond while they await arraignment on the charges.


Vreeland said police confiscated his car and its contents, including his rifle. Police also confiscated his cameras and phone.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...6/dearborn-police-station-gun-rifle/97544076/

ipse

 

[fozzy71]

hard to imagine why no one posts in this forum anymore

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

I'm starting to wonder.....

Just What IS an AP-14 rifle, or firearm, or even gun?
Anybody ever buy one? Seen one in a store? Have a picture of one?

 

[Michigander]

I'm starting to wonder.....

Just What IS an AP-14 rifle, or firearm, or even gun?
Anybody ever buy one? Seen one in a store? Have a picture of one?

I'm not sure if someone told that to the press to make them look stupid, or if the press just is that stupid. But rest assured that as of this time it doesn't exist.

 

[Michigander]

hard to imagine why no one posts in this forum anymore

I know you're being sarcastic and feel the same way, but it seems worth it to point out that this forum has suffered from either abusive or non existent moderation about as long as I've been here. But I definitely prefer the lack of moderation as opposed to over moderation. Trolls trying to bother people to feel better about themselves is not something that should bother someone who openly carries.

The days of this being the fallback point for the OC movement are long gone, and frankly that went out when it was decided that LGOC was off topic. There are very few forums where the moderators are reliably picked to let people say their opinions without becoming too pointlessly abusive, and this has never been one of them.

 

[Michigander]

A long time ago and far away, I used to breakfast with a large newsrags unofficial defacto editorial board. More than once we recommended that the newsrag constitute committees of experts to vet their journalista reporteretts's technical details.

For similar reasons as well as their love of slandering us and hiding the facts of what we do, I along with James, his girlfriend and evilcreamsicle, also in Dearborn when counter protesting islamophobes, cussed out journalists from every major news agency in Metro Detroit back in 2015 when they semi circled us to get pictures. I'd love to do so again.

 

[solus]

hard to imagine why no one posts in this forum anymore

where, oh where, would those who video their antics post?

pray tell, where would they received the appropriate level of review for their BS videos of their bs antics??

nothing in life ever says attention received will be positive...

just saying...

ipse