Aldi Robbery in Milwaukee stopped by armed citizen

[protias]

How many people have contacted or joined WCI after something has happened to them? Hmmm?? Well, if this guy joined after the shooting that makes four people I know of.

If WCI had 70,000 new members from those that have just received their licenses.....

Probably a "few." I mean, look at how many joined WCI after something happened to one of its members? WCI really does help protect us from tyranny.

"Assistant DA Kent Lovern says his office will examine whether this customer used his gun properly, meaning, did he fire out of fear or was there imminent danger to himself or others around."

A clerk has a shotgun pointed in her face and there is wonder if someone was in imminent danger. What kind of funny water do those DA's drink?

Probably cryptosporidium.

 

[Herr Heckler Koch]

WCI membership numbers and rates have not been made available.

 

[Plankton]

WCI membership numbers and rates have not been made available.

Not to you.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Not to you.

Are you special? The only public information that Nik has mentioned is 'thousands and thousands'. I have a rough guesstimate but I will only mention it to people face to face.

The big thing is, we are active members so we look bigger.

 

[Herr Heckler Koch]

WCI membership numbers and rates have not been made available.

Not to you.

When WGO solicited membership their directors names and membership numbers were refused. WCI, its principles and its principals are no different. Follow the money. Corey Graf and Nik Clark are twin sons of different dams (or ewes).

 

[MKEgal]

"Assistant DA Kent Lovern says his office will examine whether this customer used his gun properly, meaning, did he fire out of fear or was there imminent danger to himself or others around."

A man stops a robbery by two armed men, saves the lives of those that had shotguns pointed right at them, and he is rewarded by possible criminal charges? WTH?

A clerk has a shotgun pointed in her face and there is wonder if someone was in imminent danger. What kind of funny water do those DA's drink?

+1 on all of that.
All that should be necessary is that Aldi show the security video.
See that man entering carrying a shotgun?
See him point it at the clerk's head?
See him point it at customers?
See the LAC stop the imminent danger of death or great bodily harm?
See the Bad Guy run away?
They might need to watch the video a few times, but it can't take more than 15min to review the footage & call the guy's lawyer to state that he's not facing perscution for his lawful self-defense.

we are active members so we look bigger.

I thought active people got smaller?
And Nik looks big 'cause he is.
(Yes, I know what you mean.)

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

Aside from the fact he was committing a crime, "probably" isn't even the word for it. Legitimate concealed carry does not apply to shotguns in WI, and the fact that the robber was 20 years old also rules out the possibility.

I couldn't understand even what he was trying to say. I assume it was a bad attempt at Dougism or he was plain drunk.

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

My comment: Two thumbs up for the good guy. He put a lot at risk to protect his family. Two thugs come into a budiness that advertises that the business is a "safe haven" for them. They are carrying and waving shotguns around. They are ominously threatening a clerk and other customers. The good guy fears for his life and the life of his family (from what I read his wife and one or more children were with him). Under those circumstances damn the consequences. What was he supposed to do? Call 911 and ask the crooks to hang around for seven minutes until the cops arrive? If I was shopping with my wife I would do the same except perhaps I'm a better shot. I have had my wife for 52 years. I'm not about to let some snot nosed slimeball take her away.

As for Aldi implyimg that firearms aren't needed in it's store because there are security personnel, unarmed security personnel. They might just as well had hired ex Wal-Mart greeters to hold the door open for the bad guys. I'm not a fan of the unconstitutional Act 35 but one thing the legislature screwed up on is not requiring that any business that denies it's patrons the right to be secure and to defend themselves must provide armed security in order to be immune from civil liability.

Unless something dramatic comes out of the investigation we forum and WCI members must hit the keyboards and exibit a show of support. Not to show support for the fact that the shooter himself may have broken the law but support that what he did was morally correct.

:banghead:^^^Excellent characterization.

 

[Motofixxer]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, just two words: Jury Nullification

It's the only way to force reality to prevail in our illegal system. Educate friends, neighbors, co-workers.

(Don't forget to strike Mr. Wells from the jury pool.)

Good job Mr. CCW Customer! You got my vote!

Problem is if you appear to know much about anything, especially legal stuff they will kick you out. They want the dumbest people in them juries and by some of the verdicts I have seen, they get em.

 

[Herr Heckler Koch]

Problem is if you appear to know much about anything, especially legal stuff they will kick you out. They want the dumbest people in them juries and by some of the verdicts I have seen, they get em.

I started to write that one will not find much support for jury nullification in Wisconsin law, as I was writing I had a search engine running in another window to ensure I write aright. It turned up this contemporary gem; hit #4. Jury Nullifacation | Occupy Wisconsin
http://occupywi.org/jury-nullifacation/

I'm all in favor of jury nullification but - danm - from them?!

 

[PQ36]

Quote Originally Posted by PQ36 View Post

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, just two words: Jury Nullification

It's the only way to force reality to prevail in our illegal system. Educate friends, neighbors, co-workers.

(Don't forget to strike Mr. Wells from the jury pool.)

Good job Mr. CCW Customer! You got my vote!

Problem is if you appear to know much about anything, especially legal stuff they will kick you out. They want the dumbest people in them juries and by some of the verdicts I have seen, they get em.

Motofixxer, quite true, hence the need to educate educate educate. In voir dire, they (anti mindset) want to weed out all of "us" who understand the issue or may be sympathetic. "Anyone here belong to any gun club/group/org/assoc." blah blah blah (does not mean you will be for sure excluded). So we should do all we can to help others in general, know what to expect out of the system. It has been many years since I've been summoned for jury service. I pray such opportunity arises, as it would be an honor.

I hope the CCW customer gets sound legal advice and does not get wrangled into "charges" for which he is given "the ride" for (you may beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride...).

I use these events to engage others in conversation and promote the lost art of being a stand up citizen.

 

[PQ36]

I started to write that one will not find much support for jury nullification in Wisconsin law, as I was writing I had a search engine running in another window to ensure I write aright. It turned up this contemporary gem; hit #4. Jury Nullifacation | Occupy Wisconsin
http://occupywi.org/jury-nullifacation/

I'm all in favor of jury nullification but - danm - from them?!

LOL.... I know what you mean.

I had to chuckle when I read down the page......

A snip from the link you provided:

Even a simple book (wrote by a children’s book author) has been wrote ...

Yes, "from them?!" stinks a bit, but is a good illustration of how "they" plan to use the rules for nefarious goals. Right thinking people (dat be us!) should be doubly aware of how to use the rules for the advancement of truth and justice.

 

[protias]

Are you special? The only public information that Nik has mentioned is 'thousands and thousands'. I have a rough guesstimate but I will only mention it to people face to face.

The big thing is, we are active members so we look bigger.

As of last year, I knew what the number was. I can only imagine how much WCI has grown in a year, especially after the judgment against Madistan.

 

[Packfanatic]

+10000

+1 on all of that.
All that should be necessary is that Aldi show the security video.
See that man entering carrying a shotgun?
See him point it at the clerk's head?
See him point it at customers?
See the LAC stop the imminent danger of death or great bodily harm?
See the Bad Guy run away?
They might need to watch the video a few times, but it can't take more than 15min to review the footage & call the guy's lawyer to state that he's not facing perscution for his lawful self-defense.


I thought active people got smaller?
And Nik looks big 'cause he is.
(Yes, I know what you mean.)

That is EXACTLY how it will play out if they have video. 15 minutes case cleared and solved. Maybe more businesses will appreciate what has not happened in this Aldi's store and think more clearly about the fact criminals can not read signs nor do they give a damn about a sign. The DA should also be looking at the posted sign in an inconsicious location as well.... after all there is a law specifying how the sign will be placed and or worded.....

 

[Plankton]

When WGO solicited membership their directors names and membership numbers were refused. WCI, its principles and its principals are no different. Follow the money. Corey Graf and Nik Clark are twin sons of different dams (or ewes).

Your opinion, Doug.

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

On the WCI-FB page, it is reported that the meeting with the ADA went very well. She actually congratulated him on his heroric actions. NO CHARGES

 

[oak1971]

Your opinion, Doug.

Yes, and why has he not had his butt kicked back off the site for setting up a new account after being banned once already?

 

[oak1971]

Thanks to the shooter for doing the right thing. Its not something anyone wants to do, and I am glad he rose to the occasion.

 

[Brass Magnet]

On the WCI-FB page, it is reported that the meeting with the ADA went very well. She actually congratulated him on his heroric actions. NO CHARGES

Great! I hope we see news articles to that effect as well instead of just "no charges were filed".

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[RR_Broccoli]

Yes, and why has he not had his butt kicked back off the site for setting up a new account after being banned once already?

He's participating without breaking the rules now. It MIGHT even be an effort at positive participation. People that are disruptive intentionally get banned, people that aren't don't.

Over the years, I have gained some benefit in being able to characterize and logically support my opinions by having "inquisitive people ask dumb questions" a lot. I now have a solid, philosophically and ethically linked structure that leads me to conclude I am justified in my beliefs about self defense. Something I didn't have when I first started getting into guns. At the start, all I had was "guns are cool, lol they go bang!"

The anti-gun lobby would do better to not try to convince the gun guys of anything, and focus on Suzi McScoccermom instead. Their poking makes us stronger, and they aren't going to change anybody's mind.