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Quote from VCDL e-mail today: We had a meeting on June 6th in the Charlottesville area where the city police department and the count sheriff’s office sent representatives ........ the comment was made by one of the officers who addressed our group that there is a “new breed” of LEO graduating from the Academy these days…it was never clarified just what this new breed is or how they are different from the old breed, but apparently some of them get nervous when they encounter law abiding citizens who happen to be armed.
Ever since I joined this forum, I have been saying the same EXACT thing to you guys and girls. Since the representatives present didn't define this new breed, I will offer you my definition. Some will say it's just my opinion. But many veteran officers just so happen to share my opinion. First off, this new breed is not only nervous when encountering a gun toting civilian, they are nervous all the time. Weight and height requirements have gone out the window in law enforcement. They are small and scared when they encounter a 6'4" 275 pound man who may or may not be armed. They are scared as soon as a person commits "contempt of cop". The courts and academies have erroneously taught this new breed that you have no rights whatsoever when officer safety is involved. When one of them stops you, things might go pretty smoothly until backup arrives. Especially if you are offering verbal resistance to, let's say, open carrying for example. Once backup has arrived they grow a spine and every right you have is trampled upon because it is their word against yours. They are so slow upstairs and they are learning one by one that citizens now have reccording devices on them. "Oops, we didn't know he/she had recorded us!" They academies have taught them that they have qualified immunity in unlawfully detaining you or arresting you if they are acting in good faith. We all know now this is not the case. Most of them have book sense now, not common sense. Most of them grew up playing video games at home with mommy or playing beer pong at college until they were 22 to 25 years old. They have never been exposed to anybody who just might take a notion to physically or verballly challenge them and their new shiny badge for the sport of it. They have a nice laminated card in their wallet with the Miranda warning on one side, and the phrase "Better judged by 6 than carried by 12" on the reverse side. For the past 30 years we have allowed the chiefs, sheriff and academies to create this monster, now we have to live with it.
And the board here is literally awash in reports of this "new breed" of LEOs trampling on both our rights and our heads.
What?!? It's not?
There has always been, and always will be, a small percentage who live to give hickory shampoos and teach the "little people" where theeir place is. They usually make JBTs cringe for fear of being compared to them. These cops end up having internal difficulties (disciplinary reports - whether or not a firing results) and being placed on the Brady List of liars, as well as many with a history of moving from one department to another.
Anybody who says that the academies are teaching students "that they have qualified immunity in unlawfully detaining you or arresting you if they are acting in good faith" as a blanket out for bad behavior should be reporting this to DCJS so that the folks in charge of LEO certification can investigate. While qualified immunity is probably granted more often than it should be, there are just only so many new ways LEOs can violate your rights and just so many times the 4th Circuit can say "This was not precisely and exactly close enough to "X" case or "Y" case to say a reasonable LEO would not have known better. And any department that is not tripping over its own feet getting the word out about new court decisions is looking for serious losses in the courts - and they know that.
I'm going to have to sign up for the Citizens' Academy again to see just what changes are creating this "new breed". Last time I sat through the program they had just put one-way radio receivers in the cars and put call boxes on every other block instead of a mile apart. I hear there are computers in the cars now, and that cops are using them for more than surfing for free porn. I also hear that cops are using personal cell phones/smart phones - something I disagree with and think ought to be forbidden by policy. While communication other than by radio broadcast may serve a need (even after the latest round of encryption) it ought, IMHO, to be done as part of the public record.
But in the mean time I'll be looking for either massive reports of rights violations or an increase in the number of obituaries of folks who were lawfully carrying a sidearm. I'm not sure what I will do if I can't find them - but I'm pretty sure tin foil will not be a part of my response.
stay safe.
my concern on the personal phone use is that many of them are doing so while driving and their driving skills are not good enough to talk on a cellphone at the same time as driving (esp the Fauquier Co Deputy who thought it would be a good idea to attempt to pull out of a side street on to US17 this afternoon while I'm transporting 8500 gallons of gasoline at 50mph in the lane he decided to enter and couldn't see me because he had a cellphone glued to his ear .. he certainly HEARD my horn though)
and in the Virginia Open carry forum, we care about this video and e-check system why?even back in California
and in the Virginia Open carry forum, we care about this video and e-check system why?
And the board here is literally awash in reports of this "new breed" of LEOs trampling on both our rights and our heads.
What?!? It's not?
There has always been, and always will be, a small percentage who live to give hickory shampoos and teach the "little people" where theeir place is. They usually make JBTs cringe for fear of being compared to them. These cops end up having internal difficulties (disciplinary reports - whether or not a firing results) and being placed on the Brady List of liars, as well as many with a history of moving from one department to another.
Anybody who says that the academies are teaching students "that they have qualified immunity in unlawfully detaining you or arresting you if they are acting in good faith" as a blanket out for bad behavior should be reporting this to DCJS so that the folks in charge of LEO certification can investigate. While qualified immunity is probably granted more often than it should be, there are just only so many new ways LEOs can violate your rights and just so many times the 4th Circuit can say "This was not precisely and exactly close enough to "X" case or "Y" case to say a reasonable LEO would not have known better. And any department that is not tripping over its own feet getting the word out about new court decisions is looking for serious losses in the courts - and they know that.
I'm going to have to sign up for the Citizens' Academy again to see just what changes are creating this "new breed". Last time I sat through the program they had just put one-way radio receivers in the cars and put call boxes on every other block instead of a mile apart. I hear there are computers in the cars now, and that cops are using them for more than surfing for free porn. I also hear that cops are using personal cell phones/smart phones - something I disagree with and think ought to be forbidden by policy. While communication other than by radio broadcast may serve a need (even after the latest round of encryption) it ought, IMHO, to be done as part of the public record.
But in the mean time I'll be looking for either massive reports of rights violations or an increase in the number of obituaries of folks who were lawfully carrying a sidearm. I'm not sure what I will do if I can't find them - but I'm pretty sure tin foil will not be a part of my response.
stay safe.