Wyoming lawmakers propose bill to nullify new federal gun laws

[LkWd_Don]

Agreed. We reminded Government who's in charge, just three months past, in November.



The People have only the Power to bestow Power, not to exercise the Power bestowed; so-called Freedom and Liberty do not extend beyond that Power to bestow.

No, We only exercised our RIGHT to Vote, we did not exercise our Power over our Government. Hopefully that will occur soon.

Please show with CREDIBLE source material, where WE the Citizens of the United States gave additional Authority to our Government that is not contained within the Constitution? Oh, I forgot.. you don't understand what credible even means to know what might or might not be credible!

Just as one example of an overreach of authority. I've read all of the many Amendments that have passed, and I do not see where we have granted power to our President to Legislate via Executive Order!

In fact, Article 1 Section 1 of our US Constitution is fairly clear on who has the authority to Legislate! Why don't you read it!
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst.html

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

I do not see where it mentions that the #1 MDI has any such authority! There is not an amendment that grants him that authority! Yet he cows the elected Officials who are supposed to legislate by threatening to use EO's to legislate!

If they believe he can do it, then they are little more than illiterate sheeple who can not read for themselves, to know for themselves that he has no such authority, and should not be in a position of being able to operate our Government in any way, shape, or form as they really have no clue!

Knowing your past arguments, and apparent mindset, you would never be able to comprehend how exercising a right to vote is nothing close to telling our Government that they work for us.

It is people like you, who cause our Politicians to believe that they actually have ultimate power over the Whole United States and not just exclusive authority over the National Seat of Government (District of Columbia).

If you feel yourself to be a resident of the District of Columbia, then I would agree, that Congress has 100% authority over your life!

I am presently a resident of Washington State, and our US Congress, as well as our Federal Government has little authority over me.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

No, We only exercised our RIGHT to Vote, we did not exercise our Power over our Government. Hopefully that will occur soon.

The only Power you have, is voting; any other means is folly.

Please show with CREDIBLE source material, where WE the Citizens of the United States gave additional Authority to our Government that is not contained within the Constitution? Oh, I forgot.. you don't understand what credible even means to know what might or might not be credible!

Federalist isn't 'credible', then neither will the Constitution, be.

Just as one example of an overreach of authority. I've read all of the many Amendments that have passed, and I do not see where we have granted power to our President to Legislate via Executive Order!

He has the Power to EO's; I said nothing about legislating by EO.

In fact, Article 1 Section 1 of our US Constitution is fairly clear on who has the authority to Legislate! Why don't you read it!
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst.html

So, the Constitution is your 'credible' source?

I do not see where it mentions that the #1 MDI has any such authority! There is not an amendment that grants him that authority! Yet he cows the elected Officials who are supposed to legislate by threatening to use EO's to legislate!

If they believe he can do it, then they are little more than illiterate sheeple who can not read for themselves, to know for themselves that he has no such authority, and should not be in a position of being able to operate our Government in any way, shape, or form as they really have no clue!

Knowing your past arguments, and apparent mindset, you would never be able to comprehend how exercising a right to vote is nothing close to telling our Government that they work for us.

It is people like you, who cause our Politicians to believe that they actually have ultimate power over the Whole United States and not just exclusive authority over the National Seat of Government (District of Columbia).

If you feel yourself to be a resident of the District of Columbia, then I would agree, that Congress has 100% authority over your life!

I am presently a resident of Washington State, and our US Congress, as well as our Federal Government has little authority over me.

Wyoming lawmakers bill to trump the Federal Government is DOA. Proceed to cry me a river about it.

The Federal Government has the Power, the Force, to take your life from you at any moment, without substantive accountability.

The vote is all you have; you have no other effective means at your disposal.--I suppose you could take-up arms against the Federal Government, make your statement before they plant you in the ground.

 

[We-the-People]

So, the Constitution is your 'credible' source?

How do you have an intellectual debate with someone who can even contemplate writing such a line? That simply borders on TROLL.

 

[PFC HALE]

How do you have an intellectual debate with someone who can even contemplate writing such a line? That simply borders on TROLL.

borders..? lol she is a troll.

 

[LkWd_Don]

~~ snipped ~~ Wyoming lawmakers bill to trump the Federal Government is DOA. Proceed to cry me a river about it.

I do not recall citing anything from Wyoming. The point that I was making is that such legislation by the Several Sovereign States though well meaning and justified, is moot as our government has over-stepped its authority already.

Clearly you are incapable of understanding such a concept. Especially when you spout Marxist and Stalinist ideals while trying to point fingers at the writings of the Federalists for what you are perceiving and claiming is Right as well as acceptable with our Government.

Nothing could be farther from the truth, but you continue to claim that it is so.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

I do not recall citing anything from Wyoming. The point that I was making is that such legislation by the Several Sovereign States though well meaning and justified, is moot as our government has over-stepped its authority already.

Clearly you are incapable of understanding such a concept. Especially when you spout Marxist and Stalinist ideals while trying to point fingers at the writings of the Federalists for what you are perceiving and claiming is Right as well as acceptable with our Government.

Nothing could be farther from the truth, but you continue to claim that it is so.

First, the states aren't sovereign.

So, the Federalist is not credible?

 

[LkWd_Don]

First, the states aren't sovereign.

So, the Federalist is not credible?

Are you confirming that you have the comprehension level of a 3 year old? That is not what I said, yet you seem to think it is.

Proof that you can not comprehend what is said to you.

The Federalist is only half of a discussion, to point at them and imply that they are the KNOW all End all of a discussion is nothing less than the Uneducated ramblings, the like of which I would expect from a Juvenile.

By saying that the States are not Sovereign, you are implying that they are not able to pass their own Constitutions, and are not capable of Passing their own Laws? Also you are ignoring the Very Federalist Papers that you value so greatly!

Look at Federalist #9 http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fed_09.html

The proposed Constitution, so far from implying an abolition of the State governments, makes them constituent parts of the national sovereignty, by allowing them a direct representation in the Senate, and leaves in their possession certain exclusive and very important portions of sovereign power.

More proof that you spout divisive garbage at wish without understanding what it is that you are spewing.

As you have such a hand time understanding, I will say this a different way, you should learn to be silent and merely thought to be stupid, then to post incoherent and unsubstantiated diatribe and remove all doubt.

 

[tattedupboy]

Low taxes and great gun laws. If only the weather were a little better, this state would be on my short list of states to relocate to.

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[Beretta92FSLady]

Are you confirming that you have the comprehension level of a 3 year old? That is not what I said, yet you seem to think it is.

Proof that you can not comprehend what is said to you.

The Federalist is only half of a discussion, to point at them and imply that they are the KNOW all End all of a discussion is nothing less than the Uneducated ramblings, the like of which I would expect from a Juvenile.

By saying that the States are not Sovereign, you are implying that they are not able to pass their own Constitutions, and are not capable of Passing their own Laws? Also you are ignoring the Very Federalist Papers that you value so greatly!

Look at Federalist #9 http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fed_09.html



More proof that you spout divisive garbage at wish without understanding what it is that you are spewing.

As you have such a hand time understanding, I will say this a different way, you should learn to be silent and merely thought to be stupid, then to post incoherent and unsubstantiated diatribe and remove all doubt.

I didn't state that you stated anything. I made, in my post, a statement, and asked a question.

 

[LkWd_Don]

A new addition to my Ignore list. "Beretta92FSLady"

I find it very telling how some will make a definitive statement claiming it was made by the Federalists, and when a quote from those very same Federalists contradict that statement the person made. A complete denial and utter fabrication follows.
Please read on to see what I mean.

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Posted by Beretta92FSLady
~~ snipped ~~ Wyoming lawmakers bill to trump the Federal Government is DOA. Proceed to cry me a river about it.

Posted by LkWd_Don I do not recall citing anything from Wyoming. The point that I was making is that such legislation by the Several Sovereign States though well meaning and justified, is moot as our government has over-stepped its authority already.

Clearly you are incapable of understanding such a concept. Especially when you spout Marxist and Stalinist ideals while trying to point fingers at the writings of the Federalists for what you are perceiving and claiming is Right as well as acceptable with our Government.

Nothing could be farther from the truth, but you continue to claim that it is so.

Posted by Beretta92FSLady
First, the states aren't sovereign.
So, the Federalist is not credible?

Posted by LkWd_Don Are you confirming that you have the comprehension level of a 3 year old? That is not what I said, yet you seem to think it is.
Proof that you can not comprehend what is said to you.
The Federalist is only half of a discussion, to point at them and imply that they are the KNOW all End all of a discussion is nothing less than the Uneducated ramblings, the like of which I would expect from a Juvenile.
By saying that the States are not Sovereign, you are implying that they are not able to pass their own Constitutions, and are not capable of Passing their own Laws? Also you are ignoring the Very Federalist Papers that you value so greatly!
Look at Federalist #9
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fed_09.html

The proposed Constitution, so far from implying an abolition of the State governments, makes them constituent parts of the national sovereignty, by allowing them a direct representation in the Senate, and leaves in their possession certain exclusive and very important portions of sovereign power.

More proof that you spout divisive garbage at wish without understanding what it is that you are spewing.
As you have such a hard time understanding, I will say this a different way, you should learn to be silent and merely thought to be stupid, then to post incoherent and unsubstantiated diatribe and remove all doubt.

Posted by Beretta92FSLady I didn't state that you stated anything. I made, in my post, a statement, and asked a question.

emphasis added ..

She ignores her own history to suit her own purposes! (If you do not understand this, read back on her many posts in this thread and others) She claims the States are not Sovereign. That in itself is an erroneous statement that she did not provide a credible source to. Then with a question implies that I have claimed the Federalist is not a Credible Source.. I have never said such, and she has yet to provide a link to a credible source for anything I have ever seen her post.

Meanwhile, she does this while claiming or insinuating that one or more of the Federalists have ever said something that she cannot show any ever did, especially when I was able to refute her statement with a quote directly from one of the very Federalists she claims to cherish so much, which tells Volumes about her and her Honesty, Integrity, and ability to hold an educated conversation.

Another is added to my Ignored/Blocked List.
I apologize to all who have had to endure through this.

 

[eye95]

Welcome back, Don. I thought we had lost you forever.


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[LkWd_Don]

Welcome back, Don. I thought we had lost you forever.


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Thank you!

No, not lost, just busy elsewhere --in the academic world.

 

[We-the-People]

Thank you!

No, not lost, just busy elsewhere --in the academic world.

The academic world seems quite good at making people busy.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

I find it very telling how some will make a definitive statement claiming it was made by the Federalists, and when a quote from those very same Federalists contradict that statement the person made. A complete denial and utter fabrication follows.
Please read on to see what I mean.

She ignores her own history to suit her own purposes! (If you do not understand this, read back on her many posts in this thread and others) She claims the States are not Sovereign. That in itself is an erroneous statement that she did not provide a credible source to. Then with a question implies that I have claimed the Federalist is not a Credible Source.. I have never said such, and she has yet to provide a link to a credible source for anything I have ever seen her post.

Meanwhile, she does this while claiming or insinuating that one or more of the Federalists have ever said something that she cannot show any ever did, especially when I was able to refute her statement with a quote directly from one of the very Federalists she claims to cherish so much, which tells Volumes about her and her Honesty, Integrity, and ability to hold an educated conversation.

Another is added to my Ignored/Blocked List.
I apologize to all who have had to endure through this.

Read the Federalist. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Read the Federalist. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that.

Don't tell somebody to go looking for what you claim. Provide a cite, that is how it works here, if you can't provide a cite when asked everything you say has no credibility.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

Don't tell somebody to go looking for what you claim. Provide a cite, that is how it works here, if you can't provide a cite when asked everything you say has no credibility.

So, what have I claimed, that you are begging for a cite?

I don't need your credibility.

 

[LkWd_Don]

Don't tell somebody to go looking for what you claim. Provide a cite, that is how it works here, if you can't provide a cite when asked everything you say has no credibility.

She will spout what she wishes without providing anything credible to support her position, and will claim that everyone else is wrong, regardless of the factual information that they provide credible source citations to.

Even if the source citations are the very citations that she claims to have read and is quoting, even if the very sources cited are those she would hide behind, contradict what she is saying.

This is just a small reason that I have put her in my ignore list.

If she does not like it.. I care less, as I am talking about her, not to her, so she should simply disregard.

 

[eye95]

It's the kind of thing that new members do, usually until they learn that the culture here is not merely to repeat the mythology that one has learned over the years, but to actually look up reality and to tell others where you found it. They quickly get with the program, shut up, or (most often) leave.

We seem to have two folks here with high post counts who stubbornly resist. We are talking about one. The other is currently leaving turds all over the board. Both, IMO, are suppressing quality discussion. They are easy to recognize. They'll drop a lot of short, snarky non-sequiturs all over the place, often averaging less than two to three minutes per post.

The best course is to stop talking with them. I have one on ignore. The other is dropping dangerous legal advice, so I am keeping an eye on him (or he'd be on ignore too). Now that I think about it, I am contributing to the problem when I point out something stupid he posts. I should just leave that out there and remember that my goal is to point out the bad advice he gives that could get someone jailed or killed.

Anyway, ignore is your friend. Please use it. For everyone else's sake, if not your own.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

She will spout what she wishes without providing anything credible to support her position, and will claim that everyone else is wrong, regardless of the factual information that they provide credible source citations to.

Even if the source citations are the very citations that she claims to have read and is quoting, even if the very sources cited are those she would hide behind, contradict what she is saying.

This is just a small reason that I have put her in my ignore list.

If she does not like it.. I care less, as I am talking about her, not to her, so she should simply disregard.

I disagree!

 

[eye95]

Case in point: The post above is one of eight posted in a 16-minute period. That is what I mean when I speak of "turding."