Why open carry in Delaware?

[Wynder]

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Hawker wrote:

Btw DE folks... Shooters Choice in Dover usually has a charity shoot at the rangeat 6pm on Thursday nights. $8.00 to Shooters for range time and another $8.00 or so to the charity. Check it out. It's usually well attended and is excellent practice with good scenarios. Call ahead to Shooters Choiceif there are questions.

I'm usually tied up with other commitments at that time, but I do get there occassionally if I wasn't out shooting earlierduring theday. I shoot competively and Thursday is my practice day. Take care.

Yeah! I drove down there to shoot with a friend once and I found out about that... I wasn't able to do it back then because I taught on Thursdays; now, I have to worry about picking up the kids so, being up in northern NCC, I probably wouldn't be able to make a 6pm competition.

I have an USPSA/IPSC match this coming Saturday at Southern Chester County -- looking forward to getting back into the swing of things, I wasn't able to make their first two matches this year.

 

[Hawker]

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[Wynder]

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Hawker wrote:

I've shot theremostly when Mike Brakel was the Match Director. Rob does a good job now though. Nice place to shoot.

I shoot Limited 10 and have been shooting that division for about 7 years. I like the new single stack division too as I prefer to shoot my .45 1911 (carry piece). I don't get to Kennett Square much these days as I usually only shoot the USPSA Matches in Sudlersville MD.Sporting Clays is my main shooting sport so everything else is second. I alsohave a custom built .308 and an AR I like to shoot but never seem to have enough time for all. Take care.

Rob's really good getting the scores out and is very safety driven -- nice guy. I'm new to the circuit, just starting last year, so I'm running Production with my Springfield Armory XD, on which I've had Dawson Precision fiber optic sights installed, along with an extended magazine release, though I do have my dreams of building a 1911 race gun. Maybe after the kids are out of college, heh.

I'd looked at the matches in Sudlersville, but the Kennett Square match is ultimately closer by about 20 minutes or so. One of these days I'll actually get into shotgun and rifle -- up to this point, all I've really done is pistol shooting, (wife is a New York native and took an act of subterfuge to actually get my pistol in the house), but I'm really looking forward to learning trap/skeet and getting some rifle time in the future.

 

[Hawker]

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[Wynder]

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Hawker wrote:

Do you do any reloading? I've been reloading .45acp, .45 Colt, and .308 for a long time. It really keeps the shooting cost down when you shoot alot. I retired in 2001 (see.... I'm not that young punk with a 1911 that one poster thought) and have time to shoot almost whenever and as much I want these days.

At the moment, I only shoot 9mm -- I had a press practically ordered, but for the time being, I'm still buying my ammunition from Walmart, 100 rounds for $15.72. Besides, I don't think I'd save much money... I'd just wind up shooting more, heh!

As for sporting clays, skeet, trap... it's is hard to beat this area. Lot's of good choices and competitions all within easy driving distances. If you need a any specifics, let me know.

First thing's first -- need to pick myself up a shotgun after I look into the options, then try my hand at it to see if I have any aptitude. Getting another firearm into the house, past my wife is a whole seperate issue.

 

[stephpd]

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Looking for a shot gun myself. Mossberg 500 seem like a well built and inexpensive gun. Gets good review on several boards and can be had new for under $300

Now I'm just waiting for that 'rebate' check.

 

[Hawker]

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[Wynder]

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In all honesty, I'll probably pick up an affordable shotgun to see if it's something I'd enjoy... Oh yeah, and the free time to actually learn about the sport, heheh!

 

[Hawker]

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[radnor]

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Hawker wrote:

... and the fellowship.

Have not found many I do not enjoying the fellowship with. I think most shooters are very friendly and "here, shoot this.". Dont know how many magazines I've passed over my shoulder to someone else....

Remember the first mag passed to me. I was drooling all over this guys EVIL BLACK GUN. Just wanted to pick it up, aim at a target. Next thing tap, tap, tap on right shoulder a magazine! :lol:

 

[UTOC-45-44]

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I've been a long time reader of this forum section and several other areas here. I am a new poster though.

My question is why open carry? Delaware is not a hard state to get your permit. Why open yourself up to false arrests, hassles, and the like? Just get the permit and don't worry about it. Then... add on PA and FL and you are good to go.

Any takers?

"A Right UnExercised IS a Right Lost"

To OC is a RIGHT, and I guess CCW is PRIVILEGE....what do I know. I wish ALL States followed Alaska an Vermont.

 

[Hawker]

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[Wynder]

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Hawker wrote:

Open carry -

Ok...we've gotten a bit off track here. So what are the advantages of open vs. concealed carry?

Can you add anything to;

It's my constitutional right?

I don't want to pay for a concealed permit?

I don't want government in my business?

I like showing off my new grips?

In all honesty, the biggest thing is the scenario I presented before... If you have two people walking down a street with a mugger marking them, is the crook going to take on the defenseless victim or the one who can possibly kill him?

I can draw faster unconcealed. It's more comfortable. It helps expose the public to the peaceable carry of firearms. But really, the big thing is, if a crook KNOWS you can kill him, he's going to leave you alone and choose the easy target.

Q: Do you think there may be a tactical advantage to being concealed instead of being "made" with open carry?

Honestly, the only tactical advantage I can see carrying concealed is if you're already in an altercation AND you have the element of suprise. Though, if you're already confronted by someone, chances are they may be too close to draw in time. It's just my thought that I'd rather OC and avoid the situation all together than to have to actually draw down on someone or threaten them by unconcealing my firearm as a threat to them.

I think if there was a supremely tactical advantage to concealing a weapon, the police and military would conceal.

Q: Are you getting hassled by civilians and the police? As more folks are educated, will that ease up in your opinion?

I've had one direct incident with a state trooper who took a report from me when my car was vandalized. He certainly noticed and said absolutely nothing. All of the discussions I've had with people have followed the, "You're allowed to carry like that? Really? What's required?" Then it turns into a nice, short discussion.

Q: What are your thoughts on carrying in and around Dover?

Haven't had the chance, yet -- living up north, I don't have much of a reason to go down there unless it's work related and it's against policy to carry on the job, so I have to leave it at home.

Q: What about the 3 gambling casinos in the state. Do you open carry there? Any problems? Feedback?

Not much of a gambler, so no. Although, even though Packing.org and handgunlaw.us list these locations as off-limits, we've yet to find that regulation. I don't know if it really is off-limits.

Q: Do you carry open carry at the two NASCAR Races in Dover? Any problems?

Never been to a race -- might go this year when my stepdad comes down... he's a huge fan.

 

[gotarheels03]

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Hawker wrote:

Q: What are your thoughts on carrying in and aroundDover?

Q: Do you carry open carry at the two NASCAR Races in Dover? Any problems?

Well you can't carry open or concealed in Dover without a permit, so I won't be doing it.

I think it's much better to conceal if you're going somewhere with huge crowds (and lots of alcohol...) Also, I'm willing to bet that security would not let you enter while OC'ing.

 

[sprat]

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glad this got back on track

hope none of you were fooled by the banter, personally I am not impressed by name droppers and people who claim to have 45yrs shooting experience whether they have it or not.

Beretta shotguns are nice and they can be spendy, most of the guy's here have young family's and can not afford the top of the line. I own a Beretta 391, I store it in the Rep of Ireland for duck hunting and sporting clays. since we are bragging I am one of a few americans who has a permit to possess in that country.

I would never expect the lads I have met at the meetings to purchase a Beretta shotgun, Mossbergs are good overall shotguns and can be used for a number of uses. good deal stephen

this site is about open carry if you are against it then you should move on, you have made your point,

sprat

 

[Wynder]

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His most recent questions I don't mind at all -- what do you think are the advantages, tactical and otherwise, what do we think about OC'ing in certain places, etc... It makes me think and answer honestly while, at the same time, share my point of view, especially since we know where Hawker stands.



sprat wrote:

glad this got back on track

hope none of you were fooled by the banter, personally I am not impressed by name droppers and people who claim to have 45yrs shooting experience whether they have it or not.

Beretta shotguns are nice and they can be spendy, most of the guy's here have young family's and can not afford the top of the line. I own a Beretta 391, I store it in the Rep of Ireland for duck hunting and sporting clays. since we are bragging I am one of a few americans who has a permit to possess in that country.

I would never expect the lads I have met at the meetings to purchase a Beretta shotgun, Mossbergs are good overall shotguns and can be used for a number of uses. good deal stephen

this site is about open carry if you are against it then you should move on, you have made your point,

sprat

 

[stephpd]

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I see where Delfast has a mossberg 500, they call it a 3 in 1 . Two barrels and a pistol grip for $295. Going to talk to Steve at Delfast before ordering, still looking for that rebate check.

Saw on the news that direct deposits should start going out this week. Getting giddy just dreaming about it.

Can't see someone starting out paying 6 grand for a shotgun. I can't see me paying over $1000 for any gun, yet.

Saw on The High Road about getting the C & R FFL, cost $30.00 for 3 years. Possible to use it for purchasing ammo and stuff from the mail order places and get a discount. Just hope I'm home when it comes in the mail since my wife likes to open my mail. That's how she found out I had gotten my CCDW or she still might not know.

Oh yeh, my granddaddy took me shootin' back when I was a child. Do I sound like Hillary Clinton? Does that give me 40 years experience? Don't pay any attention that the middle 25 years I seldom used a gun.:celebrate

 

[Hawker]

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[isaiah]

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Hawker wrote:

Most of you people seem to be young... nothing wrong with that as long as your bravado isn't getting in front of good common sense.

Wynder.. the concealed carry folks worked their butts off trying to get the shall issue passed when it came through here a couple of years ago. Don't say we don't do anything.

To say that the Brady people will like my line of thinking is a cheap shot from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. And you say you are the state administrator? The administrator of what?

You folks have a good time walking about openly. I hope it works out for you.  I'm tired of being berated by a bunch of gunshop commandos with little or no experience. I'm gone. Have a good day.

No offense, but I was under the impression you were the young one.

A right unexercised is a right lost. A big problem with our society is most people do all they can to stay in their comfortable bubbles. If it's inconvenient it's unacceptable. If you're not willing to step out of your comfort zone every once in a while to protect your freedom, you don't deserve it imho.

 

[Wynder]

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isaiah wrote:

No offense, but I was under the impression you were the young one.

A right unexercised is a right lost. A big problem with our society is most people do all they can to stay in their comfortable bubbles. If it's inconvenient it's unacceptable. If you're not willing to step out of your comfort zone every once in a while to protect your freedom, you don't deserve it imho.

He keeps and bears arms, he just conceals -- how is that not exercising his right?

He's flat out said that, even though he may not agree with us, he's still willing to fight for our Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms -- why doesn't he deserve it?

His right. His choice. Before you go spouting the philosophical phrases, think and respect others decisions on how to carry. If someone willingly wants help even though their philosophical idealogies may not mesh, don't begrudge them the freedom to choose how to carry.