Vegas StrEATS Festival

[vegaspassat]

need a permit for that too don't ya?

I'm not understanding

 

[vegaspassat]

I signed the petition

 

[Frantic84]

I'm not understanding

if i remember correctly the 99%ers needed a permit, but i think that was because they where camping out, cooking etc.

 

[Merlin]

Same thing goes if a private business leases a public property, it becomes private property. Just like you renting a house or apartment.

If they leased it, they have a contract and the property included in the lease belongs to them and they can do as they wish.. Ha

Don't assume this to be true. Try to find a statute that can make public property private, even when leasEd. I read the CLV ordinances cover to cover, and couldn't find one.

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[Lasjayhawk]

Signed

 

[Frantic84]

every time someone signs all the email contacts for vegas streets get an email like this:

Remove your firearms ban!

Greetings,

I just signed the following petition addressed to: Vegas StrEats.

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remove firearms ban!

You have chosen to ban firearms at your event. As such, I have chosen to take my gun, and my money, to your competitors until such time asyou choose to allow law-abiding armed citizens in your establishment..
Citizens are legally allowed to carry firearms openly or concealed (with avalid license) to protect themselves and their families in case someone else threatens to harm them.
By prohibiting all weapons, you have disarmed and made helpless anyone who enters your event—except for criminals, who won’t follow your policy anyway. In essence, you’ve made your event more dangerous for patrons who carry legally...and safer for criminals.
Please consider changing your policy. There may come a time when an armed, law-abiding citizen stands between you and an armed criminal.
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Sincerely,

[Your name]

 

[DooFster]

Signed...

 

[vegaspassat]

if i remember correctly the 99%ers needed a permit, but i think that was because they where camping out, cooking etc.

You need a permit to hand out pamphlets and hold signs? what the duck?

 

[DooFstersGirl]

Signed as well

 

[DooFster]

Get a load of this... I JUST received a reply from Keith McCoy, a coordinator for StrEATS"

Hey Tim!

I appreciate you taking the time to let me know how you feel. I am one of
the event producers and I have copied everyone that participates in putting
Vegas StrEats together, since it is a collective arrangement, and I don't
really have a supervisor. I do tend to field most of the 'day to day'
operational issues, but you are more than welcome to address any of your
concerns with any of us.

Our decision to restrict firearms was made for various reasons and it has
been in discussion for over a month now. It was not in reaction to the
unfortunate incidents that have occurred in Colorado, or Wisconsin, as it
has been suggested in some of our social media outlets. It was primarily
made in response to some outlying circumstances that we felt needed to be
addressed and it was not a decision we took lightly. In fact, we
corresponded heavily with City Officials including the City Attorney and the
Metropolitan Police Department to first explain our position, and then
determine what our legal rights were.

Through these avenues it was determined that as the Event Permitee, we were
well within our rights to restrict the carrying of firearms at our event.
It is noted in our Special Event Permit explicitly that we intend to
restrict firearms on site. In addition, the property known as Jackie
Gaughan Plaza is owned by IKE Gaming, parent of El Cortez, and therefore
private property. So while "because we serve alcohol" may not give us the
legal right, owning the property does. And per State Law we are allowed to
post "No Firearms" at the entrance and have it honored. As a CCW permit
holder, I am sure you are aware of this.

To your concern for people's safety at our event, it is our greatest
concern. And, while I will not speak on the Colorado shooting, or pretend
to know how things would have been different if the theater was full of CCW
permit holders, I will tell you that I have the utmost respect for your
opinion, and your rights as a person to do, and feel as you wish. In
return, we ask that you respect our property rights, and our decision, to
not put the safety of our event into the hands of the attendees, but into
the hands of our Security staff, the Metropolitan Police Department and
those that carry the Insurance that will be called upon to resolve such
matters, should they arise.

I am sorry that you feel that your Constitutionally protected rights have
been infringed upon. However, as a business operator, and this is a
business decision, we have protected rights as well, and we chose to enforce
them. If this gives you cause to refrain from attending, then I respect
that and wish you well. Our policy will stand however, as we will not be
infringed upon either. Speaking on behalf of all of my partners involved in
this event, I can unequivocally say, that we do not wish to lose your
business and I hope that you can, in some way, understand our position on
this matter, and decide to continue to participate.

With Respect,
Keith McCoy
702.338.7459
Vegas StrEats

I love how he says "...as a CCW holder...", and I don't have a permit yet. Nowhere did I even mention that I have one.

His "security staff" is a few elderly people with no way to secure us anyway...

I also sent this back to him:

Mr. McCoy:

Although I understand your point of view and what your intent is, I am going to have to respectfully say that even though your sign at the entrance might say "No Weapons", I, along with a few other legally-abiding citizens, know that your sign will still not stop the petty criminal that chooses to completely ignore your sign, and bring in a weapon anyway. Like I have mentioned before, LVMPD has Had ZERO issues with any of us legally carrying our weapons for all to see (openly and with no permit required) and I personally have video footage of one of their supervisors actually ENCOURAGING us to continue what we are doing. Also, the Las Vegas City Attorney is well aware of our activities as well and have said we are within our legal right to continue what we are doing, as long as no crimes are committed. According to NRS 202.3673, it says NOTHING about legal open carrying of firearms (which is what I participate in). It only pertains to CONCEALED firearms.

Besides, what if something really DOES happen at your event, and LVMPD officers are a few blocks away (hypothetically speaking)? What are your unarmed security guards going to do? Talk the criminal into submission? They're not even armed themselves!! I've had military training and personally know that merely telling the "enemy" to "...please leave because you're now making our area unsafe" does absolutely nothing. The "enemy" will stop for nothing to do what he or she came to do. My job is to keep everyone safe and to defend the Constitution and what it says.

The area that a majority of your event is on the street, is owned by the City of Las Vegas and its inhabitants, therefore making the street (at any given time, with exceptions to filming movies and TV shows) public property.

Last time, we were on the street, just before you guys closed the gate, and your security lieutenant, along with approximately 6 other guards, forced us to go on the Ogden Street end of 6th Street. We were not on any of this "plaza" that you speak of, so at no time did we enter your property and we intended to keep it that way. We just wanted to enjoy the food and the music...not to start any trouble.

I feel we were disrespected by your security guards, because they were circling us constantly, looking at us as if we were criminals, and almost pushing us out of the street.

You could potentially gain a whole lot more income and business with us there. We could even bring in more vendors as well. Overall, isn't that what any businessman would want? I certainly would if I was in your shoes...

I would like to receive a copy of this "special permit" that you speak of, please. I feel that I am not allowed to enjoy a decently-priced night out on the town with my wife, if the host(s) of the event aren't allowing me to provide them with more business...

Respectfully,

Tim Chilson

 

[FallonJeeper]

Don't assume this to be true. Try to find a statute that can make public property private, even when leasEd. I read the CLV ordinances cover to cover, and couldn't find one.

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I'm pretty sure you won't find a statute as I'm sure you won't find a statute that says when you rent your house/apartment it's private property.

That isn't the way statutes usually work.

If I have a lease/rental agreement. No matter who I rent it from, it becomes my property. I'm sure that's the angle they would work. And I'm sure the city or public entity, who leased the property to them, would play along with that. But from what I'm hearing, Jackie Gaughan Plaza is private property.

 

[Merlin]

You need a permit to hand out pamphlets and hold signs? what the duck?

No. Only the camping and parading and such. Picketing on the sidewalk is just fine.

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[28kfps]

Just saw an advertisement. It would appear that El Cortez is part of the Station Casino group?

 

[DooFster]

I got this back from Mr. McCoy afterwards;

Tim,

I appreciate your opinion, but must respectfully stand by my previous
comments. I will have a copy of the permit on hand for you to review if you
would like, and it should be available through the Special Events office, as
I am sure it is public record. I cannot be concerned with conjecture, and
what may or may not happen at our event. Perhaps someone assaults you and
removes your weapon, what then? I am concerned with what myself, and my
partners, feel is the correct course of action for our event, and our
attendees. If that does not suit your personal needs, then the free market
gives you the right to act as you see fit; to spend, or not to spend your
money as you see fit.

The City Attorney, and the legal department of Metro have confirmed that our
prohibition of firearms is in fact legal in this instance. You may
challenge that ruling as you see fit as well. In terms of the physical
space itself, Jackie Gaughan Plaza is roughly 300' x 100' (or 30,000 sf) and
the portion of 6th street we encompass is approx. 160' x 60' (9,600).
Therefore, the total area is 39,600 square feet, and the Public property
portion is less than 25% of total. Not the majority as you state. The
entrance to the event is directly onto Private Property. An area that we
legally own, and can do with as we see fit as I have stated previously.

As you also stated in your email, you arrived prior to us closing the gate
to the entrance. Had you entered after such time as the gate was secured,
you would not have been asked to leave, as you would have never entered. I
do not think it is your intention to start trouble, and as stated before,
respect your right to carry as you see fit. You, in turn, need to respect
my rights. Your decision carries with it a great responsibility, and
potentially irrevocable consequences. At times that choice may mean that
you can't enter private property, or property that has been permitted under
such conditions. In turn, my decision to restrict firearms also carries
consequences, in this case I may lose your business. I understand and
appreciate that. That is what the Constitution protects, a free market, a
right to choose, the right to pursue happiness. My right to conduct
business allows me, as it has been told to me by the governing bodies at
this time, to restrict weapons at my business if I so choose, and I do.

To the last point you made, in terms of being disrespected by our staff, I
truly apologize. It is never our intent to make a valued guest feel
disrespected in any way. I will take up with Mr. Stephens, our Director of
Security, your concern and see if there is perhaps a better way we could
address this in the future. Should you feel so compelled as to attend the
event again, unarmed of course, I would love to offer you and your family
dinner from any one of our many trucks that participate in an effort to make
you feel welcome.

If there is anything else I can do for you , please don't hesitate to ask.
In the meantime our policy will stand as it is now.

With Respect
Keith McCoy
702.338.7459
Vegas StrEats

I'm sorry, but he and his company will no longer be accepting my business. That is 100% rediculous!

 

[Lasjayhawk]

Just saw an advertisement. It would appear that El Cortez is part of the Station Casino group?

IIRC Jack Gaughn still owns the El Cortez.

 

[Frantic84]

so this morning on the Petition someone tried to pretend to be be me and said:

BAHAHAH YOU F**** ARE SO OBLIVIOUS ITS SAD. THIS EVENT IS NO DIFFERENT FROM A SUMMER JAM CONCERT, EDC, OR ANY OTHER SHOW THAT RESTRICTS FIRE ARMS. ITS THIER EVENT, THEIR RULES. ITS NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY ONCED ITS LEASED TO EL CORTEZ OR WHOEVER PAYS FOR IT. DUMB FUCKS I HOPE YOU SHOOT SOME SENSE INTO YOUR NARROW MINDED BRAINS HONKYS!!

a also recieved it as a private message this was my reply:

Am I supposed to be upset or offended by your opinion?
I see, so because it is a show my constitutional right is checked the door. For your information only a portion of the event is on private property, there is actualy a fair sized portion on city property. The issue here is not private vs public, it why descriminate against those who chose to carry a firearm and would gladly support said buisness along with those who chose not to be armed.

 

[Sabotage70]

Just got back home from lunch. We had 8 people all together so I think we had a decent turnout. A few of us decided to hit up Fremont at 8 pm tonight. I'll be out in front of the Golden Gate on the corner Main and Fremont.

 

[vegaspassat]

If it's at 8 I can be there.

 

[DooFster]

Parking is free at the corner of 6th and Ogden... **hint hint**

 

[vegaspassat]

This thread is up on slidin thru's fb page now.