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The Open Carry Report

Mattimusmaximus

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Top... No matter how profound I am with my gun in training doesn't mean when that moment comes that whoever doesn't have one in the chamber is gonna have all their wits with them.. That said why not have every advantage over the next? I don't like having an empty gun on my right and mags on my left but I do it until I can carry loaded.. Your not giving in you are being a law abidin citizen who has obtained the proper requirements in the states an cities to openly or cc loaded to protect yourself. Why would you give your self such a handicap?
But these are the thought of an overworked under paid citizen who really needs a day on the lake :/


-Matt of Hillsboro OR-
 

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Really?

Even under stress and with one arm disabled?

Sure, right and on that you bet your life.

Yes, I do, every day I enter an abandoned building that has had issues with vagrants squatting, meth labs, or any other such criminal activity.

What is the first rule to any situation?
Analyze, report, plan, respond.

When I enter a building (store, parking lot, park, street), I:
1. Analyze presence.
2. Analyze cover, concealments, hazards
3. Analyze past uses (childrens' belongings, toys, sleeping bags, card board flattened to make a mattress, etc.).
4. Report or document concerns (text, call, etc.).
5. Plan my approach, escape route, use of cover, response to children, response to chemical detection, etc.
6. Lock and load before approach if necessary, hold magazine if necessary.
3 seconds of loading can and will make the difference between a righteous shoot or a half-cocked response.
You can John Wayne all you want in the mirror (quick draw the western channel if you like), but in real life, a quick draw without proper lead will tie you up in court for a very lengthy and expensive battle.

Really guys, I am in these situations daily. Think before you carry, this isn't hollywood.
You have a responsibility to honor and respect the situation, firearm, and 2 Amendment rights.
 
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We-the-People

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Yes, I do, every day I enter an abandoned building that has had issues with vagrants squatting, meth labs, or any other such criminal activity.

What is the first rule to any situation?
Analyze, report, plan, respond.

When I enter a building (store, parking lot, park, street), I:
1. Analyze presence.
2. Analyze cover, concealments, hazards
3. Analyze past uses (childrens' belongings, toys, sleeping bags, card board flattened to make a mattress, etc.).
4. Report or document concerns (text, call, etc.).
5. Plan my approach, escape route, use of cover, response to children, response to chemical detection, etc.
6. Lock and load before approach if necessary, hold magazine if necessary.
3 seconds of loading can and will make the difference between a righteous shoot or a half-cocked response.
You can John Wayne all you want in the mirror (quick draw the western channel if you like), but in real life, a quick draw without proper lead will tie you up in court for a very lengthy and expensive battle.

Really guys, I am in these situations daily. Think before you carry, this isn't hollywood.
You have a responsibility to honor and respect the situation, firearm, and 2 Amendment rights.

I call CACA DE TORO. No one, not even highly trained and motivated Navy Seals can maintain that kind of situational awareness at all times. You may THINK you're always doing that, but you're not. More likely a mall ninja.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
 

Mattimusmaximus

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I call CACA DE TORO. No one, not even highly trained and motivated Navy Seals can maintain that kind of situational awareness at all times. You may THINK you're always doing that, but you're not. More likely a mall ninja.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

I concur if I'm out with my wife OC I am aware of my surrounding but I'm not "in the field" I'm not a urban solider behind enemy lines. I don't think that 99.9% of OCers can do all of wich you proclaim on your everyday. I could also be wrong and you coul fall into that .01% of people who do. Would love to watch you work.


-Matt of Hillsboro OR-
 

VW_Factor

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I call CACA DE TORO. No one, not even highly trained and motivated Navy Seals can maintain that kind of situational awareness at all times. You may THINK you're always doing that, but you're not. More likely a mall ninja.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

I read the quoted, and had a great laugh.

I mean, its good to be situationally aware of whats going on around you, but yeah..

If that is simply what renders him comfortable with Israeli carry.. I'm calling couch commando.
 

Sethrotull

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I will add there are situations you can't prepare for. I experienced one a few years ago when a dog came out of nowhere and attacked. There is no way I could have drawn loaded a mag and racked the slide and still come out unscathed.

I have trained for the last 18 years with a firearm and I garuntee loaded is the only way to go. When someone can charge you for 21feet and stab you before you can draw it doesn't matter how aware you are. I want every advantage.
 

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I will add there are situations you can't prepare for. I experienced one a few years ago when a dog came out of nowhere and attacked. There is no way I could have drawn loaded a mag and racked the slide and still come out unscathed.

I have trained for the last 18 years with a firearm and I garuntee loaded is the only way to go. When someone can charge you for 21feet and stab you before you can draw it doesn't matter how aware you are. I want every advantage.

Therein rests the real truth of the matter.

No one in a non-combatant urban environment can maintain a 42 + foot diameter safety zone.

Such claims are ludicrous.
 

Top

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While I understand your points of view, and your examples, out of professionalism, I will not return the same amount of civilian disrespect of calling BS on you.

Such an unfortunate frame of mind to have wondering our streets armed, the man who can not step outside of himself at a moments notice to contemplate the possibility of the unknown human/animal factor.

In my 23 years of service, a Drill Sergeant who has trained many, many men (all of whom have come back home alive), I can make you these assurances:
There will always exist a person with more training than yourself who at some point will oppose you with complete, efficient, commitment; Always seek better training than your own.
To become comfortable with your own sense of security is to commit yourself to suicide; Train diligently and often.
Fast is fine, but accuracy is final...so is a jury. The sure mind is accurate, the startled mind is fast; Contemplate continuously your Present location, your Future location and the consequences for each step along the way.
Hollywood will get you killed; Limit your expectations to proven skill.
Never underestimate the unknown, your opposition already has.

Thankfully armchair rambos don't carry a badge, however they are armed and their own ignorance is a cancer to their survivability, their 44 ego is pathetically out gunned by their tin BB ignorance. There are many officers who have made bad shoots, their training was probably limited to their ego, pay check, state of mind.

Calling BS on someone who only wishes to help you, open your consideration, is a self inflicting hazard that you must contend with. Most forums are designed to pass along knowledge, open the mind, share and exchange ideas. I anticipated troll attacks, but am thoroughly ashamed that those in my home state who openly carry, can willingly condemn themselves to the short-sightedness of a progressive liberal.

If you wish to learn, there are many out there to learn from. If you feel you have mastered survival, then perhaps in your world you have, but remember, you continue to shrink your world to only suit your own ego.
 
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Grapeshot

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While I understand your points of view, and your examples, out of professionalism, I will not return the same amount of civilian disrespect of calling BS on you.

Such an unfortunate frame of mind to have wondering our streets armed, the man who can not step outside of himself at a moments notice to contemplate the possibility of the unknown human/animal factor.

--snipped--

If you wish to learn, there are many out there to learn from. If you feel you have mastered survival, then perhaps in your world you have, but remember, you continue to shrink your world to only suit your own ego.
Top, most here are moms, pops, college students, go to work daily where they frequently can't carry. The are not highly honed operatives, nor "professional grade". The do chose practical means over fine tuned tactical responses - it is the way things are..

Training is good. More training is better, but no need to imply that those that are not seeking the heretofore unknown 11th degree belt are somehow lacking. The average Joe does not live this way.
 

KBCraig

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In my 23 years of service, a Drill Sergeant who has trained many, many men (all of whom have come back home alive)

Having been promoted to the kind of PFC who outranks anyone in the military a very long time ago, I won't hesitate to call BS on your claim. If you're really a U.S. Army drill sergeant, you have no clue what happened to 99% of the soldiers who passed through your training, from the moment they graduated and you put them on the bus.

Feel free to clarify about exactly how many you're trained, how many were deployed, and how you know that 100% came back alive.

Does anyone else smell poser in the air?
 

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In my 23 years of service, a Drill Sergeant who has trained many, many men (all of whom have come back home alive), I can make you these assurances:
There will always exist a person with more training than yourself who at some point will oppose you with complete, efficient, commitment; Always seek better training than your own.
To become comfortable with your own sense of security is to commit yourself to suicide; Train diligently and often.

....

Following this back-and-forth has been at times amusing, depressing, chilling, and most of the time frustrating tending towards angering. It's time to speak up.

As I go about my daily life the number of people that I encounter that have more training than I do is exceedingly small. Further, the people I am armed to defend against tend overwhelmingly to have no training at all - what they may have more of than me is experience in shooting at people. Their record of actually hitting someone who is not standing still directly in front of them, however, is abysmal.

The question of commitment is so personal as to be next to impossible to guage until the brown matter is in fact being moved by the rotary air impeller. I know, and know of, cops who were members of special, elite, super-operator units that did not pull the trigger when that was the only logical response, let alone being the correct response. I know, and know of, little old granny ladies who have had a revolver in their unmentionables drawer for longer than I have been alive, and it stayed there untouched until that one time when they unhesitatingly put enough holes in the BG to stop the threat. Cop that trains weekly and practices daily - 0. Granny lady who never touched the handgun since it went into the drawer decades ago - 1!

The big take-away? Training means squat without commitment, and commitment does not need training (although it might make the outcome more in line with some arbitrary standard of "correctness").

There are no Drill Sergeants in civillian life. There are a bunch of reasons for that, but probably the biggest one is that "we" just flat out refuse to be browbeaten into conformity with arbitrary standards that have no practical meaning in our lives. There is a reason why there is a right way, a "wrong" way, and the <branch of service> way. That last one is about conformity rather than about practicality, efficiency, or even effectiveness.

Speaking of Drill Sergeants - are you not only aware (as in admit it exists) but cognizant (as in believe it with all your heart and soul) that we all outrank you? We are, individually as well as collectively, the highest ranking individuals in this country - civillians with the vote. If you come around here telling us how we ought to do anything, you ought to expect to have your hat handed to you on your way out the door. Thank you for your service and all that, but you seem to have forgotten what you were serving to protect and defend, against all enemies foreign and domestic. Thank you, also, for sharing your opinion - but remember that just like azz holes, everybody (except Bubba) has one.[SUP]1[/SUP]

stay safe.

[SUP]1[/SUP] - it's a very bad joke about Bubba, Cletus and Jethro. PM me if you want to read it.
 

ScottFree

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Top, most here are moms, pops, college students, go to work daily where they frequently can't carry. The are not highly honed operatives, nor "professional grade". The do chose practical means over fine tuned tactical responses - it is the way things are..

Training is good. More training is better, but no need to imply that those that are not seeking the heretofore unknown 11th degree belt are somehow lacking. The average Joe does not live this way.

Exactly.
I carry daily and have had no "professional" training. I learned to shoot across my daddy's knee and have enjoyed shooting ever since.
I don't (can't) carry at work. The dentist. The doctor etc.
If my barber decides to slit my throat because I can't shoot him, so be it.
 

mjcromp

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While Top's comments may seem over the top please take away a few points from it. Situational awareness, being ready for anything and having a plan. I have no formal training but I like to pose different situations while going through a store or walking a dark alley or even in a large group of people. I constantly try to better myself if even only mentally. Don't jump on him for being outrageous but open your mind and take something from it. I'd like to think that I learn at least one new thing each day. Make one of those points your new thing learned!
 

mjcromp

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And if I Am away from my house you can bet I'm packin'. Unless it says I can't carry I will including Dr,Dentist and stores. My work policy has no particular statements on firearms so I carry in my truck and lock it in there. I choose to OC most often but CC in sensitive areas.
 

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losing a firearm to an opponent

I'm sure you all have heard about the officer in Beaverton losing his firearm to an opponent.

This is a very real threat that needs to be in the forefront of every confrontation, and "social-sneak".
Social-Sneak; The everyday social proximity that we Americans have grown accustomed to, ie. standing in line, exchanging money, walking past someone in an isle, listening to someone, pointing something out, everyday actions that put us all at risk of having our firearm hijacked.

I have always encouraged my men to goat their buddies. Brush up on them and count coup on their firearm, out of the blue, reach out and tap the buddies' grip. Try to unsnap or hit the release on their buddies' firearm.
Just don't try this on someone you don't know.

How many of you guys have some kind of training set up like this with your buddies or wife? It would be interesting to hear about your scenarios.
 

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I'm sure you all have heard about the officer in Beaverton losing his firearm to an opponent.

This is a very real threat that needs to be in the forefront of every confrontation, and "social-sneak".
Social-Sneak; The everyday social proximity that we Americans have grown accustomed to, ie. standing in line, exchanging money, walking past someone in an isle, listening to someone, pointing something out, everyday actions that put us all at risk of having our firearm hijacked.

I have always encouraged my men to goat their buddies. Brush up on them and count coup on their firearm, out of the blue, reach out and tap the buddies' grip. Try to unsnap or hit the release on their buddies' firearm.
Just don't try this on someone you don't know.

How many of you guys have some kind of training set up like this with your buddies or wife? It would be interesting to hear about your scenarios.

Sigh.......

OK - one more time into the breach.

Show me one (1) documented w/cite incidence of a true gun snatch anywhere in the USA in modern times - LEO and military excepted.

There have been several attempts at accomplishing this - all have proven to be false. Will a gun snatch occur sometime somewhere? Yes, probably so, but when it does the resultant numerical ratio to non- snatches will likely resemble this guestimate = .000001% or less = statistically insignificant.


As to training/practicing in the manner you note - PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT! To engage/contact another person's gun deliberately could result in a broken wrist, elbow, or worse. And with a locked & loaded handgun , such becomes the height of irresponsibility, reckless, foolish, stupid...........

Now with an inert blue training gun in a controlled environment - good.
 

Mattimusmaximus

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Well.. Open carry report.. OC all day yesterday went to work and had my holster had some complements and then went with my sister to downtown hillsboro got some Thai food had a women come over and we talked about 20 min made a OC out of her.. Then we headed to bubble tea the owner brought his 1911 out and we were comparing hers to mine hers is full sized and mine is compact. Sister wants a 1911 now lol


-Matt of Hillsboro OR-
 

ScottFree

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Thanks for putting us back on topic Matt.

Was on vacation last week. Carried throughout Sisters, over to crater lake, there was one building, some kind of gift shop I
think that had a no firearm sign so I stayed outside while my wife went in. (As I was bent over reading the fine print the guy that had just came out stopped and stared wide-eyed at my glock) The sign said it was a federal facility somehow but none of the other buildings had that... I didn't notice anyways.

On over thru roseburg to coos bay, all the way down the coast to Ca. OC the whole way. But I would NEVER bring a gun into Ca. That would be illegal, HONEST! Would I lie?

Was a relief getting back into Oregon again. I felt naked the whole time we were down there.
 

DocWalker

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Thanks for putting us back on topic Matt.

Was on vacation last week. Carried throughout Sisters, over to crater lake, there was one building, some kind of gift shop I
think that had a no firearm sign so I stayed outside while my wife went in. (As I was bent over reading the fine print the guy that had just came out stopped and stared wide-eyed at my glock) The sign said it was a federal facility somehow but none of the other buildings had that... I didn't notice anyways.

On over thru roseburg to coos bay, all the way down the coast to Ca. OC the whole way. But I would NEVER bring a gun into Ca. That would be illegal, HONEST! Would I lie?

Was a relief getting back into Oregon again. I felt naked the whole time we were down there.

Goverment Gift Shop?????
 

Sethrotull

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Goverment Gift Shop?????

I am sure this falls under a federal building for National Parks.

Firearms are prohibited in federal buildings where federal employees work. This includes visitor centers, park administrative offices, maintenance buildings, and ranger stations.
 
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