"TITLE 21 § 1290.8 POSSESSION OF LICENSE REQUIRED-NOTIFICATION TO POLICE OF GUNgot a OK Statute you can cite that claim?
be interested in seeing those statutes.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.21.010truly Freedom, then the good WA state legislature put section 46.20, specifically paragraph .001 into the state's statutes as a space filler?
further, to put paragraph 46.20.005 in the statutes to explain what the penalties are for WA residents failing to meet .001 provision is quite considerate of the legislature.
Oh, crap! It does say "valid" and "proper", rather than "government", doesn't it?yahooo BC...ya'll got a cite 4 that there comment?
BC, Fallschirmjäger's comment was '...requires a driving license or other government identification....'Oh, crap! It does say "valid" and "proper", rather than "government", doesn't it?
§ 14-415.11. Permit to carry concealed handgun; scope of permit.
(a) Any person who has a concealed handgun permit may carry a concealed handgun unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law. The person shall carry the permit together with valid identification whenever the person is carrying a concealed handgun, shall disclose to any law enforcement officer that the person holds a valid permit and is carrying a concealed handgun when approached or addressed by the officer, and shall display both the permit and the proper identification upon the request of a law enforcement officer.
No case law that I can find defining proper identification.BC, Fallschirmjäger's comment was '...requires a driving license or other government identification....'
so when you stated NC, i didn't believe NC required a DL & CHP and am now perplexed what the statute actually means by 'valid' or 'proper' ?
added text....forgot to say thanks BC...
I showed the officer my library card, it's current and contains my name and address. I also showed the officer my proper and valid medical license. And I don't have a driver license. Why???? I have a chauffeur.Valid. Having legal strength or force, executed with proper formalities, incapable of being rightfully overthrown or set aside. Bennett v. State, 46 Ala.App. 535, 245 So.2d 570, 572. Of binding force; legally sufficient or efficacious; authorized by law.
Proper. That which is fit, suitable, appropriate, adapted, correct. Reasonably sufficient. Peculiar; naturally or essentially belonging to a person or thing; not common; appropriate; one's own.
guess i have to get my library card...No case law that I can find defining proper identification.
Black's Law Dictionary
I showed the officer my library card, it's current and contains my name and address. I also showed the officer my proper and valid medical license. And I don't have a driver license. Why???? I have a chauffeur.
I note a difference between people who go out of their way to set up confrontations with police, and people who are just going about their day who are confronted by police.
In the first, the OC'er is the aggressor and is in the wrong, but in the second the policeman is the aggressor and is in the wrong.
Having personal experience in being in a situation where it was my word against Officer Friendly's and only the fact that I was recording the situation saved my bacon all I can say is....
Thank Freakin' Gawd there are 'drama queens' who publish things like this to "get attention". If it was kept quiet as some seem to want then very few people would be exposed to the excesses of government. You can't "bait" a cop, he's not required to do a single blessed thing when he sees legal conduct. Any officer that 'get's caught up in the drama' brought it all on his little lonesome.
I know I'm bringing this up from WAY back....but I gotta give it to you- this way far and away the best post I have ever seen on this forum regarding what Freedom costs, and what exercising it means.Ahhhhh. <pleasure> One of my favorite subjects.
First, we each have to make our own decisions. While I might shake my head at the person who cooperates, I must concede that no matter how strongly I might disagree, it is his right to cooperate.
On to your questions. I cannot answer for others. I can only answer for myself.
Thousands of people paid the price in blood, smoke, and treasure across centuries to wrest from government our rights. From Magna Carta to ratification of the Bill of Rights was 576 years. Over half a millennium. Literally over a million Americans have died since then defending them. I will not spit on their graves by waiving those rights. A cop's curiosity in the here-and-now pales in comparison to centuries-long price paid to win and protect those rights.
A heavy price--very heavy, indeed--was paid to obtain our rights. I am absolutely not willing to pay that price twice, to pay it again. Especially for something government should already recognize without the people having to demand it. Rights were way, way too costly to obtain. They are precious, if no other reason than the human suffering and sacrifice it cost to obtain them. Very, very high price. Very, very high value.
Thus, I am unwilling to back up even one inch. Somebody died or suffered badly to gain that one inch. Thus, I will exercise rights to the limit. There is just no way in hell I am willing for anybody to have to go through that again.
If I'm not taking your words out of context, allow me to rephrase... "Where is the harm in letting Officer Friendly know your address, where you eat and sleep, where your loved ones are? Why would you want to keep him from learning your address?"... I see people refusing to show their ID to police when asked. Is there a reason for this? I know in a lot of states you don't have to, but why wouldn't you?
If you were combining OC and CC, I would agree; however, "most states" do not require a license/permit to carry a handgun.--snipped--
It is your right to be armed, under the current climate that requires a license in most states. I am 100% for you carrying, and wish all those that are eligible to exercise that right. .
say what??? seems you are operating under a misrepresentation of terminology...Under Texas law, if you are carrying either open or concealed you are required to provide ID- both DL/ID and LTC to the contacting officer, officers also have the right to disarm you for the duration of the contact. Since Open Carry passed and went into effect in Jan 2016, I have not seen or heard of a single incident where a person lawfully carrying has been detained, it was pretty much a non event. The same people that have been concealed carrying for years are the ones open carrying, but I have seen maybe 3-4 people OC since January.
I have seen people with CCW licenses from out of state get jammed up for not doing so, for my part I prefer to educate them on the rules. If you are visiting here and your license is recognized you fall under the same laws as residents.
It is your right to be armed, under the current climate that requires a license in most states. I am 100% for you carrying, and wish all those that are eligible to exercise that right. Remember I did not write the laws, but I am sworn to uphold them.
It is also your responsibility to educate yourself on the laws of the states that you are visiting, know where and when you can carry to save yourself the headaches.
Until Constitutional Carry is the law of the land then there will be procedures in place both for carriers and officers to follow.
Be safe and always carry.
GC §411.207. AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICER TO DISARM.Under Texas law, if you are carrying either open or concealed you are required to provide ID- both DL/ID and LTC to the contacting officer, officers also have the right to disarm [important bits mysteriously missing] you for the duration of the contact.