OC in Nevada

[Grapeshot]

Welcome to the forum Catfish! Open Carry is intimidating at first. After awhile it will be like grabbing your cell before you head out - just natural. And you'll soon quit thinking everyone is looking at you.

I would like to caution you on something as it never crossed my mind until it happened to me and that is what to do DIFFERENTLY now that you are Open Carrying. You will have to be of the mindset that it is better to flee than to fight simply because you are now carrying a deadly weapon (and everyone knows it) so that means if you end up in a fight, most likely someone is getting shot / killed.

I was in a McDs with the wife when some stupid high school kids started making comments about my gun along the lines of "...let me go get my shotgun and then we'll see what'll happen..." See the problem here? If I had no gun (and assuming they didn't either) and some kids wanted to start something then, well, worst thing to happen would be someone getting beat up. BUT, there is NO DOUBT now that there is a gun in the mix.

Do I say something back and let it escalate into a physical confrontation? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Under no circumstances can I allow my gun to fall into someone else's hands, which could happen in a fight. And am I willing to shoot some idiot kid that is probably just mouthing off being silly as he never said anything directly to me, but rather just loud enough that I could hear it? I can't even say something of reason to them because what if they rush me and now I HAVE to pull.

See the dilemma? In a situation that you would have otherwise had no second thoughts about allowing yourself into, you now must SERIOUSLY consider flight over fight for if you don't, someone is going to the hospital and someone to jail. I can read the headlines now - "Gun nut kills teen over argument".

Carrying a firearm not only requires you to have self-control and responsibility, it actually helps one to build both.

I ignored them and left quietly when we were finished. I should have left immediately.

Think you did fine. Now if they had gotten up and headed out first, I might have made my exit soon thereafter if I could do so w/o a confrontation.

I likely would have set my digital recorder upright on the table and possibly taken a quick picture of the group. Any escalation of the perceived threats would have generated a 911 call. I do not suffer fools lightly.

 

[mp06011999]

Think you did fine. Now if they had gotten up and headed out first, I might have made my exit soon thereafter if I could do so w/o a confrontation.

I likely would have set my digital recorder upright on the table and possibly taken a quick picture of the group. Any escalation of the perceived threats would have generated a 911 call. I do not suffer fools lightly.

Thanks. Some of them were standing and some sitting at different times. They were being your typical loud teenager stuff where the guys are trying to be impressive to the girls in the group the only way kids know how - being obnoxious. I perceived it as just that, but who knows. Anyhow, I pretended not to hear them and I don't think anyone else in the place heard "what" they were say. Just that they were being loud. They left before I was done. I'd say I left about 5 minutes after them. The wife had no idea what had just happened - or could have happened. I sure did.

I gotta tell ya, it was such a different situation purely because I was carrying. Knowing that that upped the ante really made me step back and think*. Probably a very good thing. And not to stereotype - lol, but my guess is that Catfish being 18 where we are all invincible has seldom thought of "flight". It's a slam dunk decision (at least for me) to shoot someone that is obviously threatening your life or property. But when it "looks" like silliness and not threatening, per se, but could be, now what?

I like your "what you would do". I liked mine too and don't know if I woulda actually left earlier if I had it to do over again. Hard to tell....

Correction: I think we left after them. It was a long time ago. But I also don't think that mattered.

 

[Catfishchris1]

Thanks for the welcome!
Man, I would've done the exact same thing. Those unintellectual kind of people don't get the satisfaction of my discomfort, after all, we all know who's smarter Stupidity like that simply amazes me. Raise your damn kids right. Anyway, on an open carry related topic, I was wondering if I got pulled over in a school zone, while carrying, would they cite you for that?
I carry to my local fish store (Pisces Reef Emporium) which I've been patronizing for years before I even carried, and they said not a single word to me about it, or even blinked twice at me about it. Best fish store in town
Anyway, I will keep reporting on my experiences OC as an 18 year old.
See ya

 

[MAC702]

... I was wondering if I got pulled over in a school zone, while carrying, would they cite you for that? ...

Not in Nevada, nor most states. Google the "Federal Gun Free School Zone Act." It is a law that was ruled unconstitutional, but the arrogant a-holes in Congress passed it AGAIN, so it is technically on the books until SCOTUS gets to it again. That said, it is only an issue in states that have mirrored it with their own similar state laws.

Carry on.

 

[hellstorm702]

OCed at my new apartment, small encounter.

So me and my family moved to a new apartment, and one evening I went out to throw some trash out, a group of guys talking near my entrance eyeballed me and saw my sidearm on my hip, these guys were kind of thugged out as far as attire, I just went about my own business as usual.
So last night I was moving stuff from my truck and one of the guys (older still dressed thugged out, also the way he talks) from the group approached me on a bike and stopped near me and asked why I have a gun on my hip, I told him that this is an open carry state and that it is my constitutional right. He assumed alot of things from me being a gangster (yeah ....right) to me being under protective services, he then said I need a permit and had to argue my point, I told him to come by sometime I would give him a copy of a flyer from opencarry.org, he seemed less interested and asked what I am scared of. Anyhow he claimed to have kids at different places within the complex (strange), I told him I have a two year old boy ...he interrupted me and said his kids were the ones asking questions (no kids at this point have spotted me with my firearm), he left on his bike and I invited him once more for the flyer, he said no YOU come look for me, I am around ....again he was obviously not interested, I told my wife about it and she agreed that the situation seemed strange. So I guess I am going to have problems at the new apartment. Any advice guys and gals?

 

[Grapeshot]

So me and my family moved to a new apartment, and one evening I went out to throw some trash out, a group of guys talking near my entrance eyeballed me and saw my sidearm on my hip, these guys were kind of thugged out as far as attire, I just went about my own business as usual.

So last night I was moving stuff from my truck and one of the guys (older still dressed thugged out, also the way he talks) from the group approached me on a bike and stopped near me and asked why I have a gun on my hip, I told him that this is an open carry state and that it is my constitutional right. He assumed alot of things from me being a gangster (yeah ....right) to me being under protective services, he then said I need a permit and had to argue my point, I told him to come by sometime I would give him a copy of a flyer from opencarry.org, he seemed less interested and asked what I am scared of. Anyhow he claimed to have kids at different places within the complex (strange), I told him I have a two year old boy ...he interrupted me and said his kids were the ones asking questions (no kids at this point have spotted me with my firearm), he left on his bike and I invited him once more for the flyer, he said no YOU come look for me, I am around ....again he was obviously not interested, I told my wife about it and she agreed that the situation seemed strange.

So I guess I am going to have problems at the new apartment. Any advice guys and gals?

Is she otherwise a good wife? :lol:

 

[HPmatt]

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[Craftymommy]

((cut))). Any advice guys and gals?

Keep a copy, or more, of the laws with you so you can just hand it out as needed. That is what I do. Usually s simple answer is good for most but some like more info. I usually just say Nevada is an open carry state. As long as you can own a gun you can carry. I carry to protect myself as well as my kids. Though I recommend getting practice first before carrying. And of course I answer questions they have. I don't mind talking if they are interested/curious.

 

[Rusty Young Man]

SNIP... he then said I need a permit and had to argue my point, I told him to come by sometime I would give him a copy of a flyer from opencarry.org, he seemed less interested and asked what I am scared of.
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Any advice guys and gals?

You may have met with a cholo/thug/banger who was trying to intimidate you into no longer carrying; kind of like the people that pipe up with "I have a friend of a cousin's uncle's sister's boyfriend who is a chief of police who said you can't carry without a permit"rolleyes. At any rate, the guy you encountered didn't care to know about the law and was scrambling for justifications to his not wanting you to carry (notice I didn't say OC).

I will second Craftymommy: carrying a printout of applicable statutes with you at all times (I carry a folded up and bagged printout in my back pocket) could come in handy should you encounter people ignorant of the law (though quite vocal about it:lol or the dreaded/anticipated Opinon Enforcement Officer. Even if the person doesn't want to be informed, you show them that we (OCers) are generally well-informed, cordial, and able to respond easily to their illogical claims, not to mention how it looks to bystanders when the *gasp* armed individual is armed with knowledge of the law as well.

IIRC, garand_guy made a very informative card and website which he posted for Nevadans to print off and refer individuals to, respectively.

Hope this helps, even if it's from a fellow OCer in AZ.

 

[StanSwitek]

I prefer to no one knows my business or that I am strapped and always carry concealed. Have for 30+ years. I guess I'm just anti-social.

 

[Grapeshot]

I prefer to no one knows my business or that I am strapped and always carry concealed. Have for 30+ years. I guess I'm just anti-social.

One of the side effects of CC is that the practitioner looks just like an unarmed victim.

Most anti-social people want to keep others at a safe distance.....jus' sayin'

 

[MAC702]

I prefer to no one knows my business or that I am strapped and always carry concealed. Have for 30+ years. I guess I'm just anti-social.

Well, uh, welcome to the forum, but your first two posts are to say it's okay for cops to have expensive armored vehicles in case there are bad guys in buildings, and to say that you don't open carry in Idaho in the Nevada thread on open carry experiences. Okay. Welcome just the same.

 

[hellstorm702]

Thanks everyone!

All of your comments helped a lot, thank you everyone!

 

[mp06011999]

All of your comments helped a lot, thank you everyone!

You could tell him, if you see him again, that all your friends carry - "we're like a group, not gang". I'm just thinking form the "scare him away" view.

But in all reality I have this age old saying of mine that just about applies to every time someone likes to poke their nose in my bidness - and you fine folks feel free to use it anytime:

If you are not paying my bills or sleeping in my bed, I don't care what you think.

Oc'd at Jason's Deli in Summerlin's Boca Park yesterday with the wife. Nary an issue.

 

[28kfps]

You could tell him, if you see him again, that all your friends carry - "we're like a group, not gang". I'm just thinking form the "scare him away" view.

But in all reality I have this age old saying of mine that just about applies to every time someone likes to poke their nose in my bidness - and you fine folks feel free to use it anytime:

If you are not paying my bills or sleeping in my bed, I don't care what you think.

Oc'd at Jason's Deli in Summerlin's Boca Park yesterday with the wife. Nary an issue.

I threw away an old bed once. Set out at the curb for the large garbage pick up. Went out to check to see if it had been picked up and there was a stranger sleeping on it. It took hours as I sat on the side of the bed listing to years of data I just acquired the responsibility to care about. Next time I taken the bed to the dump myself.
O ya I was OCing at the time.

 

[28kfps]

So me and my family moved to a new apartment, and one evening I went out to throw some trash out, a group of guys talking near my entrance eyeballed me and saw my sidearm on my hip, these guys were kind of thugged out as far as attire, I just went about my own business as usual.
So last night I was moving stuff from my truck and one of the guys (older still dressed thugged out, also the way he talks) from the group approached me on a bike and stopped near me and asked why I have a gun on my hip, I told him that this is an open carry state and that it is my constitutional right. He assumed alot of things from me being a gangster (yeah ....right) to me being under protective services, he then said I need a permit and had to argue my point, I told him to come by sometime I would give him a copy of a flyer from opencarry.org, he seemed less interested and asked what I am scared of. Anyhow he claimed to have kids at different places within the complex (strange), I told him I have a two year old boy ...he interrupted me and said his kids were the ones asking questions (no kids at this point have spotted me with my firearm), he left on his bike and I invited him once more for the flyer, he said no YOU come look for me, I am around ....again he was obviously not interested, I told my wife about it and she agreed that the situation seemed strange. So I guess I am going to have problems at the new apartment. Any advice guys and gals?

Goes without saying however ever situation is different. Different people carrying will have different reactions to open carrying. My approach to an encounter regardless how they start is to say, how are you doing my name is, first name only, reach out for a handshake.
Here's how it goes, hey why are you carrying? Or why do you think you need a gun? Answer, how are you doing my name is and offer a hand for a hand shake then follow it up with whatever you believe is the response that fits your reason. That has a way of letting the air out of the I am a bad ass tank on both sides and help to direct the encounter into a more friendly atmosphere. When they doubt what you are saying tell them that you are a pro gun or 2-amendment activist and belong to a large group of pro gun owners and we do know the carry laws. With respect you are clearly wrong on your understanding of the gun laws. That does two things as mp06011999 suggested let’s him know you have a bunch of OCing friends and you know what you are talking about.

With that said, it would appear this guy and his friends may be bullies and my first response would be why don’t you shove that motorcycle up your... A s s atisfying as it would be to say not a good approach. Tired it a few times in life with mixed results usually did not help. I often battle that urge however a very negative way of handing such issues and indirectly points a negative finger back at the rest of legal OCers.

 

[hellstorm702]

Very true!

Goes without saying however ever situation is different. Different people carrying will have different reactions to open carrying. My approach to an encounter regardless how they start is to say, how are you doing my name is, first name only, reach out for a handshake.
Here's how it goes, hey why are you carrying? Or why do you think you need a gun? Answer, how are you doing my name is and offer a hand for a hand shake then follow it up with whatever you believe is the response that fits your reason. That has a way of letting the air out of the I am a bad ass tank on both sides and help to direct the encounter into a more friendly atmosphere. When they doubt what you are saying tell them that you are a pro gun or 2-amendment activist and belong to a large group of pro gun owners and we do know the carry laws. With respect you are clearly wrong on your understanding of the gun laws. That does two things as mp06011999 suggested let’s him know you have a bunch of OCing friends and you know what you are talking about.

With that said, it would appear this guy and his friends my be bullies and my first response would be why don’t you shove that motorcycle up your... A s s atisfying as it would be to say not a good approach. Tired it a few times in life with mixed results usually did not help. I often battle that urge however a very negative way of handing such issues and indirectly points a negative finger back at the rest of legal OCers.

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I completely understand, I don't want to make any enemies anytime soon, especially me and my family just moving here, I've stayed respectful even though he was kind of an A-hole.

 

[28kfps]

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I completely understand, I don't want to make any enemies anytime soon, especially me and my family just moving here, I've stayed respectful even though he was kind of an A-hole.

No need to say. It appeared the way you handle it you are a family man just going about your business.

 

[StanSwitek]

One of the side effects of CC is that the practitioner looks just like an unarmed victim.

Most anti-social people want to keep others at a safe distance.....jus' sayin'

If you were a thug intent on committing some type of armed criminal act, who would you take out first? They guy you can clearly see who is armed and a potential threat. Besides, I like surprises. jus' sayin'

 

[StanSwitek]

Well, uh, welcome to the forum, but your first two posts are to say it's okay for cops to have expensive armored vehicles in case there are bad guys in buildings, and to say that you don't open carry in Idaho in the Nevada thread on open carry experiences. Okay. Welcome just the same.

You are correct. I think it is proper for law enforcement to be properly equipped to protect the public. My personal preference is to carry concealed and I am licensed to do so in all 50 states. If things go sideways, I'd prefer not to be a target before engaging the suspect?