Let's get together and write the freedom to carry bill we WANT to see!

[McX]

outstanding document(s), outstanding ideas. i think everyone here can feel it; this is going to be our year! the antis are on the run, and lying the best they can, as they run, we have gained strength in numbers, and within the government. we are indeed witnessing historic times. Grab the Wisconsin Carry shirts, and related items, these will undoubtedly become collectible items!

 

[Brass Magnet]

Guys,
Great suggestions!

I don't have access to my Microsoft Word document at this time so if it takes a little while for me to implement the suggestions don't worry.

I do want to stress though that I believe this bill should be as "clean" as possible. I believe this is an opportunity to show EXACTLY what we want in a bill. I believe that this is NOT the time to compromise nor should we be worried about appeasing the masses. The bill can and most likely will be amended and modified in the assembly and senate if it actually gets that far. We can let the legislature handle the compromise.

Therefore, I believe that we shouldn't worry about signage for business that want victim disarmament zones. We already have trespass law for that. Also, as far as alcohol goes, I believe there are penalties for that as well already. If someone gets the time, looking for that would help. I do believe I need to make some of the changes that Nemo suggested instead of a straight repeal of 167.31. I'll get cracking on that when I've got my original. (It's hard to copy out of the forum and into word because it loses the formatting but easier to go the other way except for the strikeout text.)

As I wrote in the other thread. This is a chance to show them what we WANT in clear bill form that I hope our representatives will understand clearly. Maybe they won't use the bill but they will have no excuse to say they misunderstood us.

 

[johnny amish]

This is a chance to show them what we WANT in clear bill form that I hope our representatives will understand clearly. Maybe they won't use the bill but they will have no excuse to say they misunderstood us.

Amen to that.

 

[John Willock]

Brass I think you may be on to something here. Especially when you were specifically asked for input by your legislators. GOOD JOB. I think that there are some things to consider. Traditionally Wisconsin politicians have been very much on the liberal side. Even those that profess to call themselves conservatives. I like to refer to them as liberal conservatives. Even with their campaign promises I think it is unlikely that they are going to hand constitutional carry to us on a platter. There is going to have to be something in any bill or proposal that has something in it for them or for the major agencies the legislature caters to i.e. law enforcement and the DNR. There are two approaches I think can be taken. The first is a full fledged bill which is subject to trade offs and concessions and influence of special interests, not to mention a long drawn out legislative process. The Wisconsin legislature has traditionally been most interested in preserving a police state. I feel that any proposal that contains a number of suggestions of outright repeal of a number of statutes will imply to them a weakening of the police state and bring a lot of resistance. There is another approach. That is to present a bill that modifies existing statutes to our advantage but still give the legislature comfort that the statutes stay in place and give them something in return for their cooperation. I.d like to put in my two cents for your consideration.

My personal opinion is that there are three statutes that are our biggest concern. 941.23, 167.31 and 948.605. You are familiar with each.

Our chances of getting an outright repeal of 167.31 is nil. There is too much in the statute that the DNR needs in order to manage state wildlife. Things like discharge of firearms at game from roadway, discharge of firearms at game in or on a vehicle, discharge of a firearm at game from a aircraft, discharge of a firearm at game from a motor boat, shooting towards an occupied building and others. The chance of the DNR giving that authority up is not probable and the DNR has enormous influence with the legislature. It's resistance to outright repeal of 167.31 could jeopardize the whole effort. On the other hand I think a modification of 167.31 to remove paragraph 167.31(2)(b) could succeed. The majority of the bill remains intact for the DNR and the portion that is most troublesome to us is gone.

Outright repeal of 941.23 might also be difficult because it looks on the surface that doing so would weaken law enforcement authority. However it is possible to modify it so that it supports our cause and still retains, in fact, strengthens authority. My idea of possible modification is listed below.

The third statute that impairs our rights is the Gun Free school Zone law. The parts that are most onerous are the overly strict penalty for inadvertent violation and the 1000 foot zone. Outright repeal of 948.605 is unlikely to succeed. There are too many legislators, democrats and republicans alike, and their constituents that will not accept any compromise that would appear to put school children at risk. I think, though, that the legislature may be willing to eliminate the 1000 foot perimeter zone if the rest of the bill is left so that protection on the school property is still preserved. Especially if the part that forbids off duty police officers from carrying weapons on school property and within that zone. That is one issue the various law enforcement agencies has been pushing the legislature to do for a number of years. My idea of how the statue could be modified so that both sides of the issue are served is listed below.

The advantage of modifying existing law is that it avoids some of the lengthy legislative process. It also minimizes the poetic license the legislative reference bureau can use when drafting a bill. The LRB is supposedly immune from a political agenda. I think that is hardly the case.

Another approach that might work is to use a statute from a state that already recognizes constitutional carry. I would suggest Arizona's August 2010 version. Possible to modify it to fit Wisconsin. Being that it is a bill already in force would probably have some influence on the legislature. At least it might detract the legislature from trying to copy Minnesota's law.

941.23 The people may carry firearms, either concealed or visible, subject to the following restrictions:
941.23.(1). Persons carrying firearms must be over the age of 18.
941.23.(2). The individual must never have been convicted of a felony crime in this state or of a crime in another state that would be a felony in this state.
941.23.(3). The individual must never have been convicted of a crime of domestic violence.
941.23 (4). The individual must not be a registered sex offender.
941.23 (5). The individual must not be judged mentally impaired by court order.
941.23 (6). On private property conspicuously posted at the entrance with a sign having a surface of a minimum of 14 inches square and with letters a minimum of one inch in height.

167.31 Vehicle transport of firearms.
167.31(2)(b). Remove from statute.

948.605 Gun Free School Zones.

Existing wording
(1) DEFINITIONS. In this section:
(c) “School zone” means any of the following:
1. In or on the grounds of a school.
2. Within 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school.

Change to.
(c) “School premises” means any school building, grounds,
recreation area or athletic field or any other property owned, usedor operated for school administration.

Existing wording:
(2) POSSESSION OF FIREARM IN SCHOOL ZONE. (a) Any individual
who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual
knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone is
guilty of a Class I felony.

Change to read: (extracted from 948.61). Note: this was copied from 948.61 so it has important precedent.
(2) Any person who knowingly possesses or goes armed with
a dangerous weapon on school premises is guilty of:
(a) A Class A misdemeanor.
(b) A Class I felony, if the violation is the person’s 2ND or subsequent
violation of this section within a 5−year period, as measured
from the dates the violations occurred.

Existing wording:
(2) (b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to the possession of a firearm:
1. On private property not part of school grounds;
2. If the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so
by a political subdivision of the state or bureau of alcohol, tobacco
and firearms in which political subdivision the school zone is
located, and the law of the political subdivision requires that,
before an individual may obtain such a license, the law enforcement
authorities of the political subdivision must verify that the
individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
3. That is not loaded and is:
a. Encased; or
b. In a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
4. By an individual for use in a program approved by a school
in the school zone;
5. By an individual in accordance with a contract entered into
between a school in the school zone and the individual or an
employer of the individual;
6. By a law enforcement officer or state−certified commission
warden acting in his or her official capacity; or

Change to.
(2) (b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to the possession of a firearm:
1.That is not loaded and is encased and placed in a vehicle.
2. By an individual for use in a program approved by a school.
3. By an individual in accordance with a contract entered into
between a school and the individual or an employer of the individual;
6. By a law enforcement officer or state−certified commission
warden.

Existing wording:
(3) DISCHARGE OF FIREARM IN A SCHOOL ZONE. (a) Any individual
who knowingly, or with reckless disregard for the safety of
another, discharges or attempts to discharge a firearm at a place the
individual knows is a school zone is guilty of a Class G felony.
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to the discharge of, or the
attempt to discharge, a firearm:
1. On private property not part of school grounds;
2. As part of a program approved by a school in the school
zone, by an individual who is participating in the program;
3. By an individual in accordance with a contract entered into
between a school in a school zone and the individual or an
employer of the individual; or
4. By a law enforcement officer or state−certified commission
warden acting in his or her official capacity.

Change to:
(3) DISCHARGE OF FIREARM ON A SCHOOL PREMISIS. (a) Any individual
who knowingly, or with reckless disregard for the safety of
another, discharges or attempts to discharge a firearm at a place the
individual knows is a school is guilty of a Class G felony
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to the discharge of, or the
attempt to discharge, a firearm:
1By an individual in accordance with a contract entered into
between a school and the individual or an employer of the individual; or
2. By a law enforcement officer or state−certified commission
warden.

The word used is too broad. There are parks and arena's "Used" by school districts that are actually under the authority of local "Park" district's.

 

[johnny amish]

Welcome to the forum John, I agree with you 100%.

 

[fester225]

Can someone post the final bill or provide a link to it? I would like to introduce it to my my senator Leah Vukmir and assemblyman David Cullin and see if I can get the ball rolling

I'd sure like to see the final bill too! (Remembering that anything we propose has to go through the LRB process first...) There's been lots of really good discussion going on, but I don't think anybody's written a complete version of what we're supporting yet.

 

[Captain Nemo]

Schools using parks and arenas.

The definition of "school premisis" is not a definition I concocted. It is extracted from the below statute and is the state definition of "school premisis".

2010 Wisconsin Code
Chapter 948. Crimes against children.
948.61 Dangerous weapons other than firearms on school premises.

948.61(1)(c)

(c) "School premises" means any school building, grounds, recreation area or athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated for school administration.

Call it what you may. "school premisis", "school property" "school grounds", "school zone". Whatever it is called it needs to be defined. I used the state definition of "school premisis" because it is already an accepted state definition and will be easier to sell to the legislature. If you don't like it then just don't criticize become a contributor to the project and suggest a definition of your own.

 

[Captain Nemo]

167.31

There has been some question brought up about discharge of a firearm from in or on a vehicle. 167.31(2)(c). It is a good question. It wouldn't make much sense to have the right to carry a loaded uncased firearm in or on a vehicle if it was illegal to discharge the firearm.
The statute presently reads:

(c) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may load or discharge
a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow from a bow or crossbow
in or from a vehicle.

I think the statute could be modified to meat our needs if it read:

(c) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may load or discharge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow from a bow or crossbow in or from a vechicle except for the protection of person or property.

One thing we should remember when drafting a recommended bil is that it not be "pie in the sky" but that it be salable to the legislature. One strong argument toward selling a bill to the legislature is that it be founded on existing statutes.

There has been some discussion about signage. I'm not sure what the concern is. The state attorney general has already clarified that issue by saying that businesses have the right to post signs to restrict firearm carry on their property. All my input does is state the minimum size requirement so that it is conspicuous. Even the trespass law some are referencing has signage requirements in it.

2010 Wisconsin Code
Chapter 943. Crimes against property.
943.13 Trespass to land.

Land is considered to be posted under this subsection under either of the following procedures:

943.13(2)(a)

(a) If a sign at least 11 inches square is placed in at least 2 conspicuous places for every 40 acres to be protected. The sign must carry an appropriate notice and the name of the person giving the notice followed by the word "owner" if the person giving the notice is the holder of legal title to the land and by the word "occupant" if the person giving the notice is not the holder of legal title but is a lawful occupant of the land. Proof that appropriate signs as provided in this paragraph were erected or in existence upon the premises to be protected prior to the event complained of shall be prima facie proof that the premises to be protected were posted as provided in this paragraph.

943.13(2)(b)

(b) If markings at least one foot long, including in a contrasting color the phrase "private land" and the name of the owner, are made in at least 2 conspicuous places for every 40 acres to be protected.

 

[fester225]

There's a difference between "pie in the sky', and giving away all your bargaining chips before the negotiations begin.

Another thing to remember is: You don't get what you don't ask for. Let's ask for everything, then do the bargaining and see what we can get.

 

[protias]

There's a difference between "pie in the sky', and giving away all your bargaining chips before the negotiations begin.

Another thing to remember is: You don't get what you don't ask for. Let's ask for everything, then do the bargaining and see what we can get.

Bargain? Why should be bargain our rights away?

 

[Brass Magnet]

From the suggestions (and my own bit of bias) here's what I'm thinking for 167.31

167.31 Safe use and transportation of firearms and
bows. (1) DEFINITIONS. In this section:
(a) “Aircraft” has the meaning given under s. 114.002 (3).
(b) “Encased” means enclosed in a case that is expressly made
for the purpose of containing a firearm and that is completely
zipped, snapped, buckled, tied or otherwise fastened with no part
of the firearm exposed.
(bg) “Family member of the landowner” means a person who
is related to the landowner as a parent, child, spouse, or sibling.
(bn) “Farm tractor” has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (16).
(c) “Firearm” means a weapon that acts by force of gunpowder.
(d) “Highway” has the meaning given under s. 340.01 (22).
(dm) “Implement of husbandry” has the meaning given in s.
340.01 (24).
(e) “Motorboat” has the meaning given under s. 30.50 (6).
(em) “Peace officer” has the meaning given in s. 939.22 (22).
(et) “Private security person” has the meaning given in s.
440.26 (1m) (h).
(f) “Roadway” has the meaning given under s. 340.01 (54).
(fm) “Street” means a highway that is within the corporate lim-
its of a city or village.
(fr) “Transmission facility” means any pipe, pipeline, duct,
wire, cable, line, conduit, pole, tower, equipment, or other struc-
ture used to transmit or distribute electricity to or for the public or
to transmit or distribute communications or data to or from the
public.
(g) “Unloaded” means any of the following:
1. Having no shell or cartridge in the chamber of a firearm or
in the magazine attached to a firearm.
2. In the case of a cap lock muzzle−loading firearm, having
the cap removed.
3. In the case of a flint lock muzzle−loading firearm, having
the flashpan cleaned of powder.
(h) “Vehicle” has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (74), and
includes a snowmobile, as defined in s. 340.01 (58a), and an elec-
tric personal assistive mobility device, as defined in s. 340.01
(15pm), except that for purposes of subs. (4) (c) and (cg) and (4m)
“vehicle” has the meaning given for “motor vehicle” in s. 29.001
(57).
(2) PROHIBITIONS; MOTORBOATS AND VEHICLES; HIGHWAYS AND
ROADWAYS. [strike](a) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may
place, possess or transport a firearm, bow or crossbow in or on a
motorboat with the motor running, unless the firearm is unloaded
or unless the bow or crossbow is unstrung or is enclosed in a carry-
ing case.
(b) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may place, pos-
sess or transport a firearm, bow or crossbow in or on a vehicle,
unless the firearm is unloaded and encased or unless the bow or
crossbow is unstrung or is enclosed in a carrying case.
(c) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may load or dis-
charge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow from a bow or cross-
bow in or from a vehicle.[/strike]
(d) Except as provided in sub. (4) (a), (bg), (cg), (e), and (g),
no person may discharge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow from
a bow or crossbow from or across a highway or within 50 feet of
the center of a roadway.
(e) A person who violates pars. (a) to (d) is subject to a forfei-
ture of not more than $100.
(3) PROHIBITIONS; AIRCRAFT. [strike](a) Except as provided in sub.
(4), no person may place, possess or transport a firearm, bow or
crossbow in or on an aircraft, unless the firearm is unloaded and
encased or unless the bow or crossbow is unstrung or is enclosed
in a carrying case.[/strike]
(b) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may [strike]load or[/strike] dis-
charge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow from a bow or cross-
bow in or from an aircraft.
(c) A person who violates par. (a) or (b) shall be fined not more
than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than 90 days or both.
(3m) PROHIBITIONS; TRANSMISSION FACILITIES. (a) Except as
provided in sub. (4) (b) and (h), no person may intentionally dis-
charge a firearm in the direction of a transmission facility.
(b) A person who violates par. (a) and causes damage to a trans-
mission facility is subject to a forfeiture of not more than $100.
(c) In addition to any forfeiture imposed under par. (b), the
court shall revoke any hunting license under ch. 29 that is issued
to the person found in violation for a period of one year.
(d) In addition to any forfeiture imposed under par. (b) and the
revocation required under par. (c), the court shall enter a restitu-
tion order that requires the defendant to pay to the owner of the
transmission facility the reasonable cost of the repair or replace-
ment of the transmission facility.
(4) EXCEPTIONS. (a) Subsections (2) and (3) do not apply to
any of the following who, in the line of duty, or during an act of lawful self defense, place, possess, trans-
port, load or discharge a firearm in, on or from a vehicle, motor-
boat or aircraft or discharge a firearm from or across a highway or
within 50 feet of the center of a roadway:
1. Any citizen who may lawfully possess a firearm under the Wisconsin state statutes.
2. A member of the U.S. armed forces.
3. A member of the national guard.
4. A private security person who meets all of the following
requirements:
a. He or she holds either a private detective license issued
under s. 440.26 (2) (a) 2. or a private security permit issued under
s. 440.26 (5).
b. He or she holds a certificate of proficiency to carry a fire-
arm issued by the department of regulation and licensing.
c. He or she is performing his or her assigned duties or respon-
sibilities.
d. He or she is wearing a uniform that clearly identifies him
or her as a private security person.
e. His or her firearm is in plain view, as defined by rule by the
department of regulation and licensing.
(am) 1. Subsections [strike](2) (a), (c) and [/strike](d) and (3) [strike](a) and [/strike](b) do
not apply to a peace officer who, in the line of duty, loads or dis-
charges a firearm in, on or from a vehicle, motorboat or aircraft or
discharges a firearm from or across a highway or within 50 feet of
the center of a roadway.
[strike]2. Subsection (2) (b) does not apply to a peace officer who
places, possesses or transports a firearm in or on a vehicle, motor-
boat or aircraft while in the line of duty.
3. Subsection (2) (b) does not apply to a person employed as
a peace officer who places, possesses or transports a firearm in or
on a vehicle while traveling in the vehicle from his or her resi-
dence to his or her place of employment as a peace officer.[/strike]
(b) Subsections [strike](2) (a), (b) and (c),[/strike](3) [strike](a) and [/strike](b), and (3m) do not apply to the holder of a scientific research license under s.
169.25 or a scientific collector permit under s. 29.614 who is using
a net gun or tranquilizer gun in an activity related to the purpose
for which the license or permit was issued.
(bg) 1. Subsection (2) [strike](a), (b), (c), and[/strike] (d) does not apply to
a state employee or agent, or to a federal employee or agent, who
is acting within the scope of his or her employment or agency, who
is authorized by the department of natural resources to take ani-
mals in the wild for the purpose of controlling the spread of dis-
ease in animals and who is hunting in an area designated by the
department of natural resources as a chronic wasting disease erad-
ication zone, except that this subdivision does not authorize the
discharge of a firearm or the shooting of a bolt or arrow from a bow
or crossbow across a state trunk highway, county trunk highway,
or paved town highway.
[strike]1g. Subsection (2) (b) and (c) does not apply to a landowner,
a family member of the landowner, or an employee of the land-
owner who is using a firearm, bow, or crossbow to shoot wild ani-
mals from a farm tractor or an implement of husbandry on the
landowner’s land that is located in an area designated by the
department of natural resources as a chronic wasting disease erad-
ication zone.
2. This paragraph does not apply after June 30, 2010.
(bn) Subsection (2) (a) does not apply to a person using a bow
or a crossbow for fishing from a motorboat.
(bt) Subsection (2) (b) does not apply to the placement, pos-
session, or transportation of an unloaded firearm in or on a vehicle
if all of the following apply:
1. The vehicle is a self−propelled motor vehicle with 4 rub-
ber−tired wheels.
2. The vehicle is not certified by the manufacturer for on−road
use.
3. The vehicle is not an all−terrain vehicle, as defined in s.
340.01 (2g).
4. The vehicle is being used to transport individuals involved
in sport shooting activities at sport shooting ranges, as defined in
s. 895.527 (1), and is not being used to transport individuals
involved in hunting.
5. The vehicle is being operated entirely on private property
and is not being operated in the right−of−way of any highway.
(c) Subsection (2) (b) and (c) does not apply to the holder of
a Class A or Class B permit under s. 29.193 (2) who is hunting
from a stationary vehicle.[/strike]
(cg) A holder of a Class A or Class B permit under s. 29.193
(2) who is hunting from a stationary vehicle may load and dis-
charge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow within 50 feet of the
center of a roadway if all of the following apply:
1. The roadway is part of a county highway, a town highway
or any other highway that is not part of a street or of a state trunk
or federal highway.
2. The vehicle is located off the roadway and is not in viola-
tion of any prohibition or restriction that applies to the parking,
stopping or standing of the vehicle under ss. 346.51 to 346.55 or
under a regulation enacted under s. 349.06 or 349.13.
3. The holder of the permit is not hunting game to fill the tag
of another person.
4. The holder of the permit has obtained permission from any
person who is the owner or lessee of private property across or on
to which the holder of the permit intends to discharge a firearm or
shoot a bolt or an arrow.
5. The vehicle bears special registration plates issued under
s. 341.14 (1), (1a), (1e), or (1m) or displays a sign that is at least
11 inches square on which is conspicuously written “disabled
hunter”.
6. The holder of the permit discharges the firearm or shoots
the bolt or arrow away from and not across or parallel to the road-
way.
(cm) For purposes of pars. (c) and (cg), the exemption from
sub. (2) (b) under these paragraphs only applies to the firearm,
bow or crossbow being used for hunting by the holder of the
Class A or Class B permit under s. 29.193 (2).
(co) For purposes of par. (cg), a person may stop a vehicle off
the roadway on the left side of the highway.
(cr) For purposes of par. (cg) 4., “private property” does not
include property leased for hunting by the public, land that is sub-
ject to a contract under subch. I of ch. 77, or land that is subject
to an order designating it as managed forest land under subch. VI
of ch. 77 and that is not designated as closed to the public under
s. 77.83 (1).
[strike](d) Subsection (2) (b) does not prohibit a person from leaning
an unloaded firearm against a vehicle.[/strike]
(e) Subsection (2) (d) does not apply to a person who is legally
hunting small game with a muzzle−loading firearm or with a shot-
gun loaded with shotshell or chilled shot number BB or smaller,
if the surface of the highway or roadway is anything other than
concrete or blacktop.
(f) Subsection (2) (d) does not prohibit a person from possess-
ing a loaded firearm within 50 feet of the center of a roadway if
the person does not violate sub. (2) (b) or (c).
(g) A person who is fishing with a bow and arrow may shoot
an arrow from a bow within 50 feet of the center of a roadway if
the person does not shoot the arrow from the roadway or across
a highway.
(h) Subsection (3m) does not apply to any of the following who
discharge a firearm in the direction of a transmission facility:
1. A member of the armed forces in the line of duty.
2. A member of the national guard in the line of duty.
3. A peace officer in the line of duty.
4. A private security person who meets all of the requirements
under par. (a) 4.
(4m) RULES. The department of natural resources may further
restrict hunting from stationary vehicles on county or town high-
ways by promulgating rules designating certain county and town
highways, or portions thereof, upon which a holder of a Class A
or Class B permit issued under s. 29.193 (2) may not discharge a
firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow from a bow or crossbow under
sub. (4) (cg). For each restriction of hunting from a county or town
highway contained in a rule to be promulgated under this subsec-
tion, the department shall submit a specific justification for the
restriction with the rule submitted to legislative council staff for
review under s. 227.15 (1).
(5) WEAPONS SURCHARGE. (a) If a court imposes a fine or for-
feiture for a violation of this section, the court shall also impose
a weapons surcharge under ch. 814 equal to 75% of the amount of
the fine or forfeiture.
(b) If a fine or forfeiture is suspended in whole or in part, the
weapons surcharge shall be reduced in proportion to the suspen-
sion.
(b) If a fine or forfeiture is suspended in whole or in part, the
weapons surcharge shall be reduced in proportion to the suspen-
sion.
(c) If any deposit is made for an offense to which this subsec-
tion applies, the person making the deposit shall also deposit a suf-
ficient amount to include the weapons surcharge under this sub-
section. If the deposit is forfeited, the amount of the weapons
surcharge shall be transmitted to the secretary of administration
under par. (d). If the deposit is returned, the amount of the weap-
ons surcharge shall also be returned.
(d) The clerk of the circuit court shall collect and transmit to
the county treasurer the weapons surcharge as required under s.
59.40 (2) (m). The county treasurer shall then pay the secretary
of administration as provided in s. 59.25 (3) (f) 2. The secretary
of administration shall deposit all amounts received under this
paragraph in the conservation fund to be appropriated under s.
20.370 (3) (mu).
History: 1985 a. 36; 1987 a. 27, 353; 1991 a. 77; 1993 a. 147; 1995 a. 122, 201;
1997 a. 248, 249; 1999 a. 32, 158; 2001 a. 8, 56, 90, 108; 2003 a. 33, 139, 326; 2005
a. 169, 253, 286, 345; 2007 a. 97; 2009 a. 246.
Cross−reference: See also ss. NR 10.001, 10.05, and 10.07, Wis. adm. code.

 

[Flipper]

Bill Process:

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lrb/bb/03bb/253-257.pdf

Notice the importance of the committee chair (page 2) - could be argued is more powerful than the governor in the initial stages of a bill:

Quote:

"The chairperson of a committee decides whether or not to take action on a particular proposal. If the decision is to act, the chairperson will call an “executive session” of the committee. In the session, committee members discuss the bill and may ask questions of persons in attendance, but no further public testimony is taken. At the close of the executive session, the committee decides whether to recommend passage of the bill as originally introduced, passage with amendments, or rejection. If the result is a tie vote, the committee can report the bill without recommendation. A committee’s decision is contained in a brief report to the house. (Bills that receive a negative recommendation are almost never reported to the floor.)"

The Senate and Assembly committees is where it is decided whether or not a bill lives or dies, and what will be in it. It is important to know the committees the bill is assigned to for lobbying as well as having legislators sign on as well as bill sponsors.

 

[anmut]

I really think that the March rally could be where we "hand the bill off to our legislators."

We the people handing our elected officials a bill we want passed is a powerful statement and could help the rally coverage be picked up by larger news networks...

 

[davegran]

Let's finish this up and start sending it.

I really think that the March rally could be where we "hand the bill off to our legislators."

We the people handing our elected officials a bill we want passed is a powerful statement and could help the rally coverage be picked up by larger news networks...

Since you have published this strategy publicly now, it would be very easy for a competing organization to counter it by coming out with their bill earlier.

We could set up a group with private communicating ability to determine the strategy for a public unveiling; in the mean time we should finish it up and start pummeling our representatives with it. Somebody suggested a deadline of next week; fine. Even if we don't think it is perfect, I believe we have 95% of the language the way we want it. It will be massaged in committee anyway.

Finish it, wrap it with a bow, and send it!

 

[GLOCK21GB]

I will guess you will be posting the finished version here for us to copy and send out.

 

[fester225]

I will guess you will be posting the finished version here for us to copy and send out.

I'm hoping the same thing.

 

[davegran]

Outstanding Job!

I think we can all agree that Brass has done an outstanding job of taking our wishes and suggestions and translating them into "Government-speak" for our legislators to mull over and adopt! And the members of this forum also deserve credit for contributing great ideas, sticking to the subject, and showing some real unity of purpose!

It may take Brass a few days to put the finishing touches on our Bill before he publishes; but once that happens, I think that it is understood by all here that there must be no changes to the finished product. There can be no ambiguity then for our lawmakers; they will get the message.

Carry On, Wisconsin! :banana:

 

[Flipper]

Partial quote

It may take Brass a few days to put the finishing touches on our Bill before he publishes; but once that happens, I think that it is understood by all here that there must be no changes to the finished product. There can be no ambiguity then for our lawmakers; they will get the message.

Carry On, Wisconsin! :banana:

The no changes and everyone's public support is important. If you have a gripe with the finished product discuss it privately.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

I will volunteer to personally deliver it to whomever anyone tells me to. I will personally deliver it to the Governors office, the Lt Governors office and Rep Nass and Senator Kedzie.

Just let me know when 'we' think it is ready.

Also, anyone who wants me to drop it off at their rep/sen on their behalf, let me know. I can print out your name and address and anything else and just make a day of it and visit as many rep/sen as needed.

Ahhh... the freedom of being unemployed with an understanding wife.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

The no changes and everyone's public support is important. If you have a gripe with the finished product discuss it privately.

Exactly! Let's get it as close to perfect as possible before we deliver but we need to commit that we will stand behind our draft.