Let's get together and write the freedom to carry bill we WANT to see!

[Captain Nemo]

Never?

Good point. The word never is probably too strong. There are some classes of felonies in Wisconsin that can be expunged from a person's criminal record.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

To use the words of Art 1 sec 25

Fixed.

Also, took out 'Never'.

I am on my way to Madison. I will present this to Kedzie and Nass, stop by the Gov and Lt Gov office. We shall see.

 

[AaronS]

Fixed.

Also, took out 'Never'.

I am on my way to Madison. I will present this to Kedzie and Nass, stop by the Gov and Lt Gov office. We shall see.

You the man Paul.
Get in and kick some butt!
Oh, and thanks for all of the work on this.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Let me start out by saying I hate politicians. That being said, I visited Representative Naas's office (he wasn't there, talked to Adam and Mike Mikalsen), Senator Kedzie, he was there, talked to him for 3 minutes, he was between meetings, Lt Governor Kleefisch's office, she wasn't there but her assistant indicated that Mrs Kleefisch is very supportive, Governor Walker's office, he wasn't there, no comment from his staff, Senator Dale Schultz, he wasn't there, talked to Anthony Rallo, Representative Edwards Brooks, he wasn't there, talked to an assistant Terri.

Anyhow, the jist of the conversations boiled down to the following:

1. Kedzie is concerned about a permit for reciprocity
2. Nass is concerned about blowback if we try going to Constitutional Carry directly

Everyone I was talking to said that they are getting conflicting messages from the pro-gun lobbies. Several times I was told that anyone who introduces a bill wants to be assured that the other side of the pro-gun folks won't fight it.

Basically, they want us to get our act together and give clear direction what we want.

I have a headache. I told them that this document is our (some members of OCDO) stab at what we want. We know we want/need Castle Doctrine/Stand Your Ground and some other stuff but this would level the playing field between oc and cc as well as remove obstacles for carrying without doing the car dance.

I kept getting push back that 'we are only working on economics and jobs'. I called them all on the table and told them that was fine and good but other legislation is being considered and being voted on, such as voter ID. I told them that I wasn't expecting this to pass tomorrow, just that I wanted to get the ball rolling.

Anyhow.

I'm going to send this to the NRA and others to see if I can get buy in or at the least get them to propose SOMETHING formal. Everyone I talked to today has said I was the 1st person to put something in writing.

 

[phred]

Thank you for breaking the ice. Now they know something will have to happen.

I think the reciprocity thing is an argument used by many instructors/trainers. Constitutional Carry and an optional shall-issue permit bill can be separate entities.

Have a stiff drink and relax, thanks again

 

[protias]

Let me start out by saying I hate politicians. That being said, I visited Representative Naas's office (he wasn't there, talked to Adam and Mike Mikalsen), Senator Kedzie, he was there, talked to him for 3 minutes, he was between meetings, Lt Governor Kleefisch's office, she wasn't there but her assistant indicated that Mrs Kleefisch is very supportive, Governor Walker's office, he wasn't there, no comment from his staff, Senator Dale Schultz, he wasn't there, talked to Anthony Rallo, Representative Edwards Brooks, he wasn't there, talked to an assistant Terri.

Anyhow, the jist of the conversations boiled down to the following:

1. Kedzie is concerned about a permit for reciprocity
2. Nass is concerned about blowback if we try going to Constitutional Carry directly

Everyone I was talking to said that they are getting conflicting messages from the pro-gun lobbies. Several times I was told that anyone who introduces a bill wants to be assured that the other side of the pro-gun folks won't fight it.

Basically, they want us to get our act together and give clear direction what we want.

I have a headache. I told them that this document is our (some members of OCDO) stab at what we want. We know we want/need Castle Doctrine/Stand Your Ground and some other stuff but this would level the playing field between oc and cc as well as remove obstacles for carrying without doing the car dance.

I kept getting push back that 'we are only working on economics and jobs'. I called them all on the table and told them that was fine and good but other legislation is being considered and being voted on, such as voter ID. I told them that I wasn't expecting this to pass tomorrow, just that I wanted to get the ball rolling.

Anyhow.

I'm going to send this to the NRA and others to see if I can get buy in or at the least get them to propose SOMETHING formal. Everyone I talked to today has said I was the 1st person to put something in writing.

Well, if we are the first group to hand them what we want (and no one else has any formal document), that gives a clear definition of what we the people want.

Both reps you spoke with, their fears are unfounded. VT is doing just fine.