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Justice Department, FBI to probe shooting death of Florida teen

slowfiveoh

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Hardly sufficient.

Can you tell me another bedtime story about how the innocent 12 year ol.....errrr 17 year old was eating his skittles when he was viciously attacked by the "crackuh", then using his superior ninjutsu and football fighting skeelz rolled his aggressor over and started clubbing him in the name of justice only to be shot by the physically and mentally inferior latino.....errr honky?




I'm glad I can amuse you. Simple minds are easily amused.

In any case, since you have nothing other to add other than simple race baiting...

So simple bro. So simple. :)

Please. Don't stop.

You're like a trainwreck of stupidity sliding on iced rails to a rocky end.

I don't want to watch, but I simply can't take my eyes off the glorious sight.
 
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Stanley

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Lolololol.

Oh and moron... Zimmerman is as white as me. Exactly as white... ;)
 
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This is just a sample of what Obama's "community organizers" have in store for us during the remainder of the presidential campaign. Obama's ego-maniacal mouth , Eric Holder and his Black Panther buddies , the SEIU, AFL-CIO, assorted "ACORN" mutants , and of course the "Jessie Jacksons", "Al Sharptons" are just beginning to ramp up the "nonviolence". Can you say - "lynch mob" Jessie & Al ??? MLK would be sooooo... proud of you !

This is part of a George Zoros funded , Van Jones orchestrated & planned uprising the likes of which this nation has never experienced. The very good news is that these "usual suspects" will not only self-distruct - but they will ensure the defeat of their Pretender-in Chief.

No apologies - I can totally relate to George Zimmerman's situation,temperment, and disposition. I am still anxiously awaiting the revelation as to what Trayvon Martin was doing in that gated community. Was he the guest of a resident ? Taking a short-cut ? Why was he there ?

OK - Let's assume = You are minding your own business, heading home after visiting a friend in this gated community . Someone is following you because they "profile" you as a suspicious person who MIGHT just be up to no good.

Is that justification for assaulting them, and commencing to apply potentially deadly force by slamming their head into the pavement ? OR......... do you suppose .....that upon challenging Zimmerman - as to why he was following you- you might have considered simply offering an explanation as to your purpose in being on that property?

Oh ... Zimmerman's "dogging" you kind of...."P.O.'d" you ! ...........OK, then was that your "green light" to engage in aggravated assault & battery ????
 
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Stanley

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I know I'm not always one to talk, but can you two please stop calling each other stupid? This issue is actually worth discussing properly.

I thought I had... I disengaged awhile ago.

I even let him have the last word... ;)

Tin foil hats was directed at the freaky long post about Illuminati.

So... My belief that Z could be guilty is worse than the Illuminati conspiracy???

:)
 
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marshaul

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I am still anxiously awaiting the revelation as to what Trayvon Martin was doing in that gated community.

One of the few facts from the first round of reporting which remains undisputed is that he was visiting his father, who lived there.

I wonder if there isn't a certain... *ahem*... "characteristic" of Martin's which led you to assume he probably didn't have a good reason for being there.

I say this only because you spent the first half of your post ranting about a bunch of ignoramuses nobody cares about, except for their followers and evidently yourself (which begs the question: why?), giving them credibility in the process.

They might be race-baiting, but by responding at all you're doing the same, playing right into their hands as it were.
 
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Stanley

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Well let me dispel the myth that I think Z did it because M was black and Z is half white. Lol

I lean more towards him being a violent, busybody that got over ambitious in his self proclaimed quest to clean the mean streets.

Oh, and a woman beater too. Oh my... ALLEGED woman beater.

As to the investigation. Well, apparently I mistrust the man more than some of the self proclaimed freedom loving "man" mistrusters here... The "Man" being the police, of course.

It's the investigation that's really suspect...

Problems between police and black citizens. Not a new problem. Wouldn't be the first time cops were asleep in an investigation of this sort. Historical data makes skepticism, vocal skepticism, justified.

""The issues that have been brought to my attention regarding the black community and the Sanford police department go back 10 years," he said. "There's a lot of work that needs to be done there."" Norton Bonaparte Sanford City Manager

http://www.pressherald.com/news/nationworld/in-focus-sanford-florida_2012-03-24.html
 
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One of the few facts from the first round of reporting which remains undisputed is that he was visiting his father, who lived there.

I wonder if there isn't a certain... *ahem*... "characteristic" of Martin's which led you to assume he probably didn't have a good reason for being there.

I say this only because you spent the first half of your post ranting about a bunch of ignoramuses nobody cares about, except for their followers and evidently yourself (which begs the question: why?), giving them credibility in the process.

They might be race-baiting, but by responding at all you're doing the same, playing right into their hands as it were.
He was visiting his father who was visiting his fiance who lived there.


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rushcreek2

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One of the few facts from the first round of reporting which remains undisputed is that he was visiting his father, who lived there.

I wonder if there isn't a certain... *ahem*... "characteristic" of Martin's which led you to assume he probably didn't have a good reason for being there.

I say this only because you spent the first half of your post ranting about a bunch of ignoramuses nobody cares about, except for their followers and evidently yourself (which begs the question: why?), giving them credibility in the process.

They might be race-baiting, but by responding at all you're doing the same, playing right into their hands as it were.

OK..... Then How's about ... " Hey man - I was just visiting my father who lives in this complex - OK"

Still no need for aggravated assault & battery. Zimmerman did not initiate an assault on Martin.

Soak your heels in some Epson salts and relax. We are al in the process of digesting this incident.

That's the first mention of WHY Martin was in that gated community. No race -baiting here.

But "civility" even applies when your a young black male wearing a hoodie !

This crap can ratchet up into a full blown race war - and that's what some people are seeking.
 

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OK..... Then How's about ... " Hey man - I was just visiting my father who lives in this complex - OK"

"What you doin here after dark boy?"

I thought that was only in movies about the 50s??? - Semi Joking

Seriously though, why would we give random citizens that power. Can I be detained by a citizen for being out at night in an area I don't appear to fit in based on the citizens random biases?

If I then refuse to answer the citizen am I being uncivil???? Does that apply to police too?

That's sounds kinda unAmerican.

What's next? What you doin out at night boy?!? Show me zee paperz!!!
 
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rushcreek2

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Again - this incident would not have gone "viral" had it not been perceived as ripe fodder for the Obama campaign's retained "Che Guevara" Van Jones.
NO ONE - regardless of how BUTT-INSKI their conduct may be perceived by another - is deserving of an unmitigated AGGRAVATED THRASHING.
 

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If Zimmerman were a cop when he killed or murdered the young man, there would be no controversy.

Still insufficient information to determine whether a righteous shoot or not.

Murder begins where self defense ends.
 

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"What you doin here after dark boy?"

I thought that was only in movies about the 50s??? - Semi Joking

Seriously though, why would we give random citizens that power. Can I be detained by a citizen for being out at night in an area I don't appear to fit in based on the citizens random biases?

If I then refuse to answer the citizen am I being uncivil???? Does that apply to police too?

That's sounds kinda unAmerican.

What's next? What you doin out at night boy?!? Show me zee paperz!!!

Thanks for a really good post.:dude:
 

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There are two main moments in this case that are extremely important.

. . . and really only two despite all the hoopla.

Either man could have started the fight, but this is ACTUALLY, not an element that is important to the legitimacy of the self defense claim.

A fist fight can occur where both parties claim the other started it. If at any time one person is able to disable, knock down, or otherwise prevent the other party from effectively continuing in the fight then the "fair" part of the fight is over. It is now an unequal force equation.

Once this occurs the person who was able to render their opponent disabled, or knock them out of an equal force stand up fight, then they have the ability to disengage.

This is a pivotal moment in any physical altercation. The right thing to do is disengage. The wrong thing to do is to continue to attack the person who has been knocked down, or rendered disabled.
In this particular case, the most pivotal piece of evidence is the witness who says he saw Zimmerman on his back, and Martin continuing the attack.

When this person came out and claims to have yelled for Martin to stop his attack, this was ANOTHER point at which Martin had a choice to end the encounter. With a third party on the scene it makes sense to stop attacking and seek an establishment of the facts.

So twice he had an option to end the attack, regardless of how the scenario started this means that Martin through his own choices and actions setup a scenario where the person being attacked did not know that his attacker would stop. This establishes an objective reasonable belief that deadly force was needed to stop the attack. People die from beatings all the time, if the beating is not going to stop, you are going to die. < objective.

This is so over the top damning that any third party who understands the law would be hard pressed to even imagine any possible evidence could over turn such a thing.

These are the facts which make an arrest on Zimmerman highly unlikely to ever occur for the crime of manslaughter.

Is Zim a busy body jerk who ignored the basic tenets we are all taught about concealed carry, and neighborhood watch, sure that might be true, but it does not remove his ability to defend against a continuous assault by a party who will not stop the attack.
 
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RULE 5 Cite the applicable Florida statute please?

Not all state laws have the provision you are referring to or, they do but it is a weakly written one. Since many following this incident are non Floridians and you're from Florida, do you have a citation for this portion of the law in Florida?
 

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"What you doin here after dark boy?"

I thought that was only in movies about the 50s??? - Semi Joking

Seriously though, why would we give random citizens that power. Can I be detained by a citizen for being out at night in an area I don't appear to fit in based on the citizens random biases?

If I then refuse to answer the citizen am I being uncivil???? Does that apply to police too?

That's sounds kinda unAmerican.

What's next? What you doin out at night boy?!? Show me zee paperz!!!

The grounds of a gated community are considered private property, are they not? As such, isn't a resident well within their rights to question someone they don't recognize to determine whether or not they have business there, in case he or she may be trespassing?
 
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