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Justice Department, FBI to probe shooting death of Florida teen

marshaul

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Well, here;s the thing: right or wrong, like it or not- the kid did NOT reside there. Was not a normal element in the area, and as such stood out to locals who DO reside there. He was visiting a relative. Those relatives may well be known to their neighbors, but this kid -clearly-was NOT recognized by someone who probably has a much, much better idea of who's normally wandering within the gates of his community than you, me or the media, No? Basic common-fng-sense.

Nonsense. He was visiting his father. That suggests, incidentally, that he was probably a regular in the neighborhood.

And it's basic common-fng-sense that you can't know everybody in a neighborhood. Even out here in the sticks I'm know there are neighbors I haven't seen before, or I wouldn't recognize.

I'm not going to pick apart your post, but suffice it to say I disagree completely.
 

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Nonsense. He was visiting his father. That suggests, incidentally, that he was probably a regular in the neighborhood.

And it's basic common-fng-sense that you can't know everybody in a neighborhood. Even out here in the sticks I'm know there are neighbors I haven't seen before, or I wouldn't recognize.

I'm not going to pick apart your post, but suffice it to say I disagree completely.


Whether you agree, or not, if you are even remotely situationally-aware of your environs, you have a reasonable idea of who/what and types of what folks are "normal" to your area. (unless you live in some high-traffic urban environs). When somone passes through who stands out in your area, it may raise an eyebrow, or even a concern. Being in denial of human-nature doe'snt mean it doesnt exist.

But most of the folks residing in (and paying out the backside to do so) these gated-communities in Florida, at least, pay out the backside to do so in the hopes/intents of having a reasonably safe, somewhat closed, clean, quiet place to reside. They often tolerate, and some even crave, having "homeowner's associations" and rules, and so forth. They tend to pay a closer eye to those amongst them, and they tend to notice that strange car passing through with the jungle-music thumping, or the dishelved fellow staggering down the sidewalk, or even just an innocent delivery-service truck on the curb. But notice, they do.
And, frankly, if that;s the environ they choose to reside in (not my cup of tea, personally) then they have every right to question ,and be concerned about, folks they dont recognize, who may or may not be there with peaceful intentions.
 

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Whether you agree, or not, if you are even remotely situationally-aware of your environs, you have a reasonable idea of who/what and types of what folks are "normal" to your area.

Types? So we're back to "walking while black". And, since his father was presumably black, clearly those "types" live in the neighborhood anyway.
 

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Types? So we're back to "walking while black". And, since his father was presumably black, clearly those "types" live in the neighborhood anyway.

Well considering Zimmerman is now "white" I'd say the father is as well if he lives in that community.
 

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More info, better analysis

Hey, Mods - Let's please use those forum tools and MERGE these threads so we're not repeating ourselves five time over, ok? Thanks!

Onward...

Article: Obama gets personal over killing of black Florida teenager

What an immoral opportunist Obama must be! Here are some FACTS, directly from the police report, the media keeps either getting wrong or simply ignores:

1. The pictures repeatedly displayed by the media are when the kid was 14. Trayvon isn't a kid. He was 17 when he attacked Zimmerman and no longer looked "sweet and innocent" as the media keeps deceptively portraying.

2. Trayvon was on a 5-day suspension from school for ...you guessed it... fighting.

3. Trayvon was 6'2" and a high school football player, a stature and occupation even I would find physically intimidating.

4. According to the police report, Zimmerman's back was sopping wet from where he'd been on his back, in the grass, as Trayvon pummeled his face with blows from his fists. Zimmerman's nose was bloodied, as was the back of his head, from where Trayvon had repeatedly slammed struck him in the face and slammed his head into the ground.

5. Again, according to the police report, the eyewitness observed Trayvon sitting on top of Zimmerman, bludgeoning him repeatedly as Zimmerman screamed for help. The eyewitness headed inside to call 911, heard a gunshot, and looked out the window to see Trayvon lying on the ground, apparently dead.

Conclusions, based on BEHAVIOR, rather than racism, very misleading media portrayals, and family bias:

A. Whether Zimmerman initially approached Trayvon or not is immaterial.

B. What's material is Trayvon's BEHAVIOR, namely, his aggravated assault against Zimmerman immediately prior to the shooting, and Zimmerman's firing of his weapon thus ending the assault.

C. The police department hasn't pressed charges as this is clearly and undeniably (unless you're a racist idiot or member of the biased media) an act of justifiable homicide required as last resort means of self defense.

Let's examine what would have happened if Zimmerman has NOT shot Trayvon:

a. The athletic but violently out of control 17-year-old would have beaten Zimmerman into unconsciousness or even death.

b. If he'd only beaten Zimmerman into unconsciousness, Trayvon could very well have taken Zimmerman's gun, at which point we would now have an armed felon running around, or Trayvon could have shot Zimmerman at which point we would have had a muderering armed felon running around.

What DID NOT happen: Zimmerman did NOT chase Trayvon down and shoot him. If he had, he'd be behind bars and awaiting charges or at least a hearing.

Here's what else IS true: Obama is a reprehensible opportunist praying on the black and minority communities in the midst of this tragedy to engender support for reelection.
 

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How come these pictures are not plastered all over the web??? I really like the one where he is flipping off with both fingers. Really looks like those "good kid" pictures that have been imprinted on everyone. :rolleyes:

Well, it's not him. Try harder next time.
 

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Hey, Mods - Let's please use those forum tools and MERGE these threads so we're not repeating ourselves five time over, ok? Thanks!

Onward...

Article: Obama gets personal over killing of black Florida teenager

What an immoral opportunist Obama must be! Here are some FACTS, directly from the police report, the media keeps either getting wrong or simply ignores:

1. The pictures repeatedly displayed by the media are when the kid was 14. Trayvon isn't a kid. He was 17 when he attacked Zimmerman and no longer looked "sweet and innocent" as the media keeps deceptively portraying.

What DID NOT happen: Zimmerman did NOT chase Trayvon down and shoot him. If he had, he'd be behind bars and awaiting charges or at least a hearing.

Here's what else IS true: Obama is a reprehensible opportunist praying on the black and minority communities in the midst of this tragedy to engender support for reelection.

Thanks for speaking the truth!

The facts show that Zimmerman was completely justified.
 

rushcreek2

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Assault involves conduct that intentionally creates interference, or disruption with the lawful progress of another.

If actions pursuant to monitoring a person's conduct were "assault", then every private investigator would be guilty of "assault".
 

slowfiveoh

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I'm black.

Therefore Trayvon Martin is obviously innocent and was brutally murdered despite evidence to the contrary. Any time this evidence is displayed to me, I will refute it whilst presenting a fantasy scenario of my own choosing.
 
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slowfiveoh

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What evidence again??? Oh yeah...

Race bait much???

This is the part where I present the witness testimony, the police testimony, and Zimmermans testimony.

This is also the part where you present the fantasy scenario that most fits your desired view of what you would have liked to occur to fulfil your racist outlook on the issue.

Nice to know.

What does that have to do with anything?

(Hint: nothing.)

I have posted my picture before on here multiple times. I am sure people know what I look like by now.

Any and all additions to the evidence already provided is mere conjecture on behalf of individuals who are either emotive or racially intertwined on this issue.
 
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Stanley

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This is the part where I present the witness testimony, the police testimony, and Zimmermans testimony.

1) anonymous witness testimony
2) police testimony? Ok so everyone here trusts the police?
3) Zimmerman's testimony. Self serving at best.

This is also the part where you present the fantasy scenario that most fits your desired view of what you would have liked to occur to fulfil your racist outlook on the issue.

Not too bright are we???

You brought up race. Have I mentioned Z or M's race? Nope...

;)
 
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slowfiveoh

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1) anonymous witness testimony
2) police testimony? Ok so everyone here trusts the police?
3) Zimmerman's testimony. Self serving at best.

Thank you for posting the evidence.

If I had a racist hate group like the "New Black Panthers" putting "bounties" on people, I would wish to remain anonymous too.

Maybe the KKK will step up and put a bounty on the "New Black Panthers" and we can get both sides to eliminate each other in the process.

YAY!



Not too bright are we???

Your idiocy across these threads has provided a few days worth of laughter for me.

Please, don't stop. :)
 
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Stanley

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Thank you for posting the evidence.

Hardly sufficient.


Your idiocy across these threads has provided a few days worth of laughter for me.

Please, don't stop. :)

I'm glad I can amuse you. Simple minds are easily amused.

In any case, since you have nothing other to add other than simple race baiting...
 
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