HB 139 sure looks like Constiutional Carry to me

[OC for ME]

I don't think it will do any good to write my Delegate on this one, he has already made up his mind... He's the author!

On a serious note, however... hopefully some of those with a bit more experience than I can join in here...

Is it beneficial for us to deluge the legislators at the wrong times? Specifically, this is a House bill. It may or may not reach the Senate. While I do certainly agree that it is good to express our concerns to all legislators on our general feelings about issues, I don't know if it's a good idea to pound a Senator to support a House bill that may or may not ever reach him/her for a vote.

The point is that we don't want to cross that line from lobbying and sharing our views to irritating them to a point where they dread hearing from us. You only get to make a certain amount of noise before they tune you out, so spend that noise wisely.

There may be some who disagree with that... I guess it falls under the category of "more flies with honey..."

Theron

Good point....however....what about this point of view. If he, the good senator, is inclined to support the legislation in the 'lower chamber' he will likely support it in the 'upper chamber'. maybe even be working to get it over to the senate. I am of the view that the earlier the better so as to gauge the senator's reaction. The more the better, to let the senator know that the issue is important.

 

[TFred]

Good point....however....what about this point of view. If he, the good senator, is inclined to support the legislation in the 'lower chamber' he will likely support it in the 'upper chamber'. maybe even be working to get it over to the senate. I am of the view that the earlier the better so as to gauge the senator's reaction. The more the better, to let the senator know that the issue is important.

Yes, I agree... sort of what I was trying to say... send a "really appreciate your support on this issue" rather than a "be sure to vote for HBxxx", which may not cross his desk.

TFred

 

[vt357]

I don't think it will do any good to write my Delegate on this one, he has already made up his mind... He's the author!

How about sending a note thanking him for the bill, but asking him to not remove the secured container provision.

 

[Grapeshot]

How about sending a note thanking him for the bill, but asking him to not remove the secured container provision.

Whoa! I'm going to have to read the complete biil again.

See: 5. 4. Any person carrying such weapons between his place of abode and a place of purchase or repair, provided the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

Does this negate OC? Why must they be unloaded and securely wrapped - what is the benefit/reason? If you are legal to own and possess a gun, then it is legal to have it in the open now. Seems that this change could do potential harm.

What am I missing in my rush?

 

[jmelvin]

Whoa! I'm going to have to read the complete biil again.

See: 5. 4. Any person carrying such weapons between his place of abode and a place of purchase or repair, provided the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

Does this negate OC? Why must they be unloaded and securely wrapped - what is the benefit/reason? If you are legal to own and possess a gun, then it is legal to have it in the open now. Seems that this change could do potential harm.

What am I missing in my rush?

He's talking about the secured within a container provision for carrying within a vehicle. This provision allows for a loaded firearm to be left in the car while on school property due to the wording of the school carry prohibition section and the carrying concealed weapons code section.

 

[Marco]

Whoa! I'm going to have to read the complete biil again.

See: 5. 4. Any person carrying such weapons between his place of abode and a place of purchase or repair, provided the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

Does this negate OC? Why must they be unloaded and securely wrapped - what is the benefit/reason? If you are legal to own and possess a gun, then it is legal to have it in the open now. Seems that this change could do potential harm.

What am I missing in my rush?

This is the stricken provision:

B 10. Any person who may lawfully possess a firearm and is carrying a handgun while in a personal, private motor vehicle or vessel and such handgun is secured in a container or compartment in the vehicle or vessel.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+ful+HB139+hil

Full text with proposed changes.


I agree the secured container portion should be retained.

 

[TFred]

How about sending a note thanking him for the bill, but asking him to not remove the secured container provision.

Good point, I had forgotten about that.... done!

Anybody know if there are any plans in the works to retain this?

TFred

 

[Marco]

Good point, I had forgotten about that.... done!

Anybody know if there are any plans in the works to retain this?

TFred

I sent a quick note asking as well.

 

[2a4all]

Whoa! I'm going to have to read the complete biil again.

See: 5. 4. Any person carrying such weapons between his place of abode and a place of purchase or repair, provided the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

Does this negate OC? Why must they be unloaded and securely wrapped - what is the benefit/reason? If you are legal to own and possess a gun, then it is legal to have it in the open now. Seems that this change could do potential harm.

What am I missing in my rush?

Don't panic.

The weapons referenced here are the ones that remain listed 18.2-308 A (edged weapons). Based on my experience at gun shows, this may be applicalbe to a lot of folks.

The (now) excluded "closed container" provision was the one that let you leave your loaded HG in your vehicle while on K-12 grounds.

 

[TFred]

Don't panic.

The weapons referenced here are the ones that remain listed 18.2-308 A (edged weapons). Based on my experience at gun shows, this may be applicalbe to a lot of folks.

The (now) excluded "closed container" provision was the one that let you leave your loaded HG in your vehicle while on K-12 grounds.

There are several sections of the Code of Virginia that make a reference to Paragraph B of 18.2-308. It would probably be good to compile a list. If nobody can get to it, I'll give it a try later this evening.

TFred

 

[press1280]

There remains in this bill the option for the VSP to establish reciprocity for CHP holders with other states.

However, by default, Virginia will (under this bill) honor all other states' CHPs (or whatever they're called), as no permit will be required to carry concealed here.

Now, for states that say "We honor permits from any state that honors ours.", will that automatically expand the list of states that recognize our CHP? (Probably depends on the state, but Georgia is on my mind.)

Also CO and FL(which VA already has reciprocity with)

 

[jwinkeler]

Im 18 I haven't heard anyone say no to can 21 and under carry concealed, so I'm taking it that that'd be a yes?

Joe

 

[peter nap]

Im 18 I haven't heard anyone say no to can 21 and under carry concealed, so I'm taking it that that'd be a yes?

Joe

Why do you want to conceal...got a Glock?:banana::banana:

 

[TFred]

Im 18 I haven't heard anyone say no to can 21 and under carry concealed, so I'm taking it that that'd be a yes?

Joe

Do you mean now, or if this bill passes as presented?

TFred

 

[jwinkeler]

Rofl and I mean if this bill passes

 

[ArmedCrewChief]

Info?

Did this bill get passed or passed over?

 

[peter nap]

HB 139 Concealed handguns; persons who may lawfully carry hidden from common observation, penalty. Mark L. Cole | all patrons ... notes | add to my profiles

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Summary as introduced:
Carrying concealed handguns; penalties. Provides that any person who may lawfully possess a firearm in Virginia may carry it hidden from common observation. The bill retains the procedures to obtain a permit that authorizes a person to carry a concealed handgun for those who wish to carry a concealed handgun in other states with reciprocal agreements with the Commonwealth. The bill creates Class 1 misdemeanors for carrying concealed handguns during the commission of certain drug-related crimes and makes carrying a concealed handgun during the commission of certain felonies a separate felony. This bill contains technical amendments. Full text:
01/04/12 House: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/11/12 12100644D pdf | impact statements

Status:
01/04/12 House: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/11/12 12100644D
01/04/12 House: Referred to Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety
02/14/12 House: Left in Militia, Police and Public Safety

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[ArmedCrewChief]

Purgatory

Thanks for the info. The Militia, Police and Public Safety say they are to review 5 bills, but 139 is not on the list.

http://www.richmondsunlight.com/committee/house/public-safety/

 

[peter nap]

They're almost always DEAD when they get left in Committee but 130 was dead, buried and likely to never be heard from again.

 

[ArmedCrewChief]

Lesson learned

Committee = Job Security