Handgun Registration Repeal question

[Big Gay Al]

The problem is, as I see it, the "Michigan Pistol" is going away any how. Under the new definition, if your "Michigan Pistol" has a shoulder stock, it's a Short barreled rifle, and therefore, prohibited by Michigan law. Now, if you want a pistol that shoots rifle caliber ammo, you have to get one of those AK or AR type pistols. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

Does any one know WHY, they changed the OAL on MI Pistols?

 

[Super Trucker]

Ah that makes more sense now, I didn't realize you were talking about hijackers, that really changes things because we all know that any normal pistol ammo bounces right off them making the Michigan Pistol the only defense against them :banghead:

And no, I have never made a deliver and been hijacked. I have however worked in security for over 17 years, and I don't mean sit at a desk and write down names security, i mean armed, watch out for drug dealers type of security, mostly at night in some fairly bad areas. Normal pistol worked fine for me. Most would be trouble makers see the gun and decide they have more pressing issues elsewhere. Doesn't matter what gun you carry, looking down the muzzle of one makes it look huge. I have also served summons, and twice was shot at. Both perp's were arrested, I was fortunately unhurt, and got away without firing any rounds.

So your other points, Accuracy. Are you defending yourself or playing sniper? Most pistols are accurate in normal combat ranges, say 15 yards on the outside. Speed? Not sure what you mean by speed. How fast it can be deployed on a target or muzzle velocity of the round. Mag capacity? My Glock can handle a magazine of 19 rounds I believe (never bought one so not sure of the top of my head) and if you can't stop a threat with that many rounds maybe you should start delivering in an M1A1 Tank.

This is not about a 50 cent stamp, it is about getting rid of one infringement at a time. You want to keep your state created firearm, lobby for it. Like people lobbied for the repeal of registration.

Lobby for something we already had? Wow.

Next time you get in Detroit there is a certain politician's son who runs a scrap yard there and was in a shooting, you can ask him face to face why he carries a MI pistol as well as a G20.

How many security guards died or were severely hurt at work last year, now how about delivery people. I think you are comparing apples to watermelons.

One day I might be as good as you to be able to stop ANY threat in MI with a glock, but until that time, I will thank you for all the people whom you are wanting to remove a defensive option from.

 

[Evil Creamsicle]

Lobby for something we already had? Wow.

Next time you get in Detroit there is a certain politician's son who runs a scrap yard there and was in a shooting, you can ask him face to face why he carries a MI pistol as well as a G20.

How many security guards died or were severely hurt at work last year, now how about delivery people. I think you are comparing apples to watermelons.

One day I might be as good as you to be able to stop ANY threat in MI with a glock, but until that time, I will thank you for all the people whom you are wanting to remove a defensive option from.

Yeah, I know, I backed out right?....

...yeah I did... never mind. *trying so hard*

 

[TheQ]

I'd suggest that neither side is going to change the other's mind. Protracted discussion of this nature on a public forum can only hurt the bill. *shrugs+

 

[fozzy71]

The problem is, as I see it, the "Michigan Pistol" is going away any how. Under the new definition, if your "Michigan Pistol" has a shoulder stock, it's a Short barreled rifle, and therefore, prohibited by Michigan law.......

WRONG

MI Pistols are now considered rifles. The definition for SBR/SBS has not changed and MI Pistols do not suddenly fall under that definition. They simply can't be carried under the authority of your CPL like they could before.

. I will thank you for all the people whom you are wanting to remove a defensive option from.

Give it a rest. MI Pistols are gone and we now follow the federal definition of a pistol like the 49 other states. The bill has passed already and you ranting about it won't change anything.

 

[fozzy71]

I'd suggest that neither side is going to change the other's mind. Protracted discussion of this nature on a public forum can only hurt the bill. *shrugs+

They aren't even discussing the proper bill that the OP was referencing anymore. Stainless and Super Trucker have completely derailed this thread to discuss a bill that has already passed and become law.

 

[stainless1911]

Before we start a bad habit.

Stop calling them "A state created firearm"! There aint no such thing. The state may have created a classification, but the sole purpose of a classification is for regulation. The state did not give us some new thing! The state regulated something that by both its own, and the US constitution, was not supposed to be regulated.

 

[stainless1911]

Does any one know WHY, they changed the OAL on MI Pistols?

Gun control is about control, not guns.

WRONG

The bill has passed already and you ranting about it won't change anything.

When does it become law? I didnt know the governor signed it.


I did not derail this thread. The discussion about the P-90 and whether it, or another weapon like it is or could be made legal, was on topic, and in fact vital to the discussion. The fact that I had so much drama in getting the answer was not a product of my design.

 

[TheQ]

They aren't even discussing the proper bill that the OP was referencing anymore. Stainless and Super Trucker have completely derailed this thread to discuss a bill that has already passed and become law.

This thread has:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeyN2YfAwas

Crazy Train!

 

[Yooper]

Does any one know WHY, they changed the OAL on MI Pistols?

So the definition of pistol/rifle would follow the federal definition. It got rid of registration for rifles 26"-30" in length, turned them from being a privilege to own, to a right to own.

 

[stainless1911]

So the definition of pistol/rifle would follow the federal definition. It got rid of registration for rifles 26"-30" in length, turned them from being a privilege to own, to a right to own.

You're a third right.

If it were a right to own to begin with, you wouldn't have been required to have a CPL to carry one, registration aside.

 

[Yooper]

Excuse the **** out of me. You folks are pushing for 300,000+ to lose the ABILITY to use a useful gun so others don't have to buy a stamp. Is that better for you.

In your lifetime as a MI resident (I don't care about other states), how many MI residents have had a death or serious injury caused by registration, would you be willing to GUARANTEE that somebody will not die or have serious injury once they are no longer able to use useful guns?

Again registration sucks I get that, but this bill is not the answer. You pushing it makes you no different then the FUDDs that want OC banned. They don't OC so it needs to go, most of the FUDDS wanting this don't use MI Pistols so they throw others under the bus. How great that is.

ETA: The point of my arguement is that what you want will not allow more people to carry a gun, what it will do however is eliminate more people from the ability to legaly carry an entire class of guns. Where is the freedom in that?
You don't need a permission slip, but can no longer do something, I mean where is the good in that?

It's not "buying a stamp" It's seeking government permission (when the govt determines is a good time to ask for permission), and passing a government test (when the govt determines it's a good time to take that test), and then bringing your permission slip back to the govt, or sending it in (hope it doesn't get lost) through the mail. Then, if someone wants to borrow a pistol / "michigan pistol" from you, they need to go get permission from the govt, pass the govt test, and send in the govt slip. Then, when they're done and return it to you, you have to do the same process all over.

Anyone pushing for registration repeal is the complete opposite of the FUDDs. They want gun control, we want freedom.

"The point of my arguement is that what you want will not allow more people to carry a gun, what it will do however is eliminate more people from the ability to legaly carry an entire class of guns. Where is the freedom in that?" If the very essence of owning something requires permission from the government, passing a test, and then giving the government all the details about what you own, there is no freedom in that, irregardless of what the govt ALLOWS you to do.

 

[Grutte Pier]

confuse

Okay I'm totally lost, I didn't know that law had passed, I just bought two handguns this week and bot I had registered at the police station, no one there told me that it was no longer necessary to do that. Can anyone post a link where it is explained (in english no legalese) ?:banghead:

 

[TheQ]

Okay I'm totally lost, I didn't know that law had passed, I just bought two handguns this week and bot I had registered at the police station, no one there told me that it was no longer necessary to do that. Can anyone post a link where it is explained (in english no legalese) ?:banghead:

Registration repeal hasn't passed yet. Even if it did, it wouldn't go into effect until a later date.

 

[stainless1911]

to discuss a bill that has already passed and become law.

Heres the problem. Confused me too for a sec.

 

[fozzy71]

Heres the problem. Confused me too for a sec.

Super Trucker is ranting about, and you were also discussing, the MI Pistol changes which have already become law and go into effect by 1/1/13.

 

[detroit_fan]

Ah that makes more sense now, I didn't realize you were talking about hijackers, that really changes things because we all know that any normal pistol ammo bounces right off them making the Michigan Pistol the only defense against them :banghead:

I'll tell you the same thing I told smellslikemichigan, save your time and energy with super trucker, it's just not worth it. He carries a MI pistol and is only concerned about how a law affects him, he cares nothing about the rest of the MI population. If you just completely ignore his posts it makes the visits here a lot more enjoyable, trust me, it worked for me!

 

[stainless1911]

Super Trucker is ranting about, and you were also discussing, the MI Pistol changes which have already become law and go into effect by 1/1/13.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know it had passed.

The main reason I stay on these boards, despide the issues, is to learn these laws. I honestly thought that a P-90 made 1/4" shorter would meet both the state and federal requirements, and would be legal as a pistol after the 2013 gun ban.

 

[Big Gay Al]

WRONG

MI Pistols are now considered rifles. The definition for SBR/SBS has not changed and MI Pistols do not suddenly fall under that definition. They simply can't be carried under the authority of your CPL like they could before.

Ahem, I was referring to the NEW definition, stating that any "firearm" with an OAL of 26" or less is a pistol. If said firearm has a shoulder stock (folding or not), then it's an SBR. According to Michigan law.

 

[Big Gay Al]

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know it had passed.

The main reason I stay on these boards, despide the issues, is to learn these laws. I honestly thought that a P-90 made 1/4" shorter would meet both the state and federal requirements, and would be legal as a pistol after the 2013 gun ban.

Unfortunately, it looks like the Paratrooper M1A1 Carbine is out also. It falls under the definition of an SBR under Michigan law. If we could just get the AG to over ride Kelly's opinion 6280, and follow Federal guidelines, it would be in, at least as a rifle.

Oh well. Guess I'll just get one with out the folding stock. They are still handy little rifles.