Election 2012 Bye Bye Guns.

[twoskinsonemanns]

The bottom line is handouts and it is exactly why Obama won Ohio, the lamestream media said so.

Sadly I will agree with you on this point. The huge portion of Obama's appeal to so many people is the simple fact that they don't care as long as they get their lollipops. The Ds have them fooled that there is this huge pool of money in the hands of rich bastards that don't deserve it and Obama is going to get that to them some how. As long as the gubment is handing out to them they are happy.

It's a crushing movement of stealing from those that produce and giving it to those that don't produce until you destroy the system.

 

[scott58dh]

Cite? "Other" votes did NOT affect the outcome. Those who did not like Romney and voted for him anyway are the ones who actually sent a message to the Republicans that they will support any RINO. Thanks for that.

But I still won't insult you for it. You must have had your reasons that hopefully agreed with your conscience.

Even if someone overtly supported Obama, they should not be insulted for it. One would think that if your guy was the better choice, you could articulate it without name-calling.

The main point, which I have articulated in past posts, is that I was hoping for a more conservative approach to our governing body so "WE THE PEOPLE" may have a fighting chance to protect & uphold our Constitutional RKBA, aka; SCOTUS appointees.

Need I Remind THE PEOPLE...Obama 08, "just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right."

I suppose the rest of my opinion is just sour grapes,:banghead:

"Nothin' personal, just Bidness."

Thanx for your support & understanding during this most troubling time of OUR History.

Peace&RKBA4ever !!!

 

[scott58dh]

Oye -- Will Obama use his second term to push for an AWB and other 2A restrictions? Honestly, I doubt it. Congress at this point won't let him. What may happen is if the Supreme Court shifts to the left, then we could see a checkerboard of local restrictions and possibly legislation from the bench regarding an AWB and similar legislation. The status quo is unchanged. America voted for the same set of people and even widened the partisan divide in both houses of Congress. But considering that the country has a lot of higher priorities at the moment, I don't see an AWB gaining any momentum - especially if it starts to meet resistance, which it will.

As far as this debate regarding the fate of the Republican Party - its base is completely fractured. We had a wishy washy candidate that couldn't appeal to the GOP's conservative base, moderates, or independents. I think the Libertarian Party could have a shot at being the next "conservative" party because of their classic liberal and small gov't stance. (Their foreign policy could use some refinement, but less bullying and more collaboration overseas is a good step.) Their socially liberal and fiscally conservative platform is appealing. Can they get enough support without alienating a large percentage of the voter base though?

The Tea Party platform is solid IMO - fiscal responsibility, smaller gov't, tax reform, and some good points on immigration and other issues, but the problem has been their unwillingness to compromise. While that by itself is admirable, it continues to alienate the main base and moderates within the GOP at large.

The me-me-me oh look freebie attitude of the left has got to stop - and the only way we can make any headway is if Congress can come up with a solution, otherwise it's the fiscal cliff for all of us.

Don't need the Supreme Court according to Obamidiot... Obama 08, "just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right."

 

[OC for ME]

Maybe we should get a mod or admin to change the thread title from "Election 2012 Bye Bye Guns" to "Election 2012 Bye Bye GOP" considering the direction the thread has taken. A sprinkling of "gun" here or "right" there does not mitigate my thread derailment contention.

The alleged derailment occurred cuz it is unreasonable to contend, at this time, that a AWB will be implemented anytime some. I have not detected any evidence to indicate that Obama has his AWB pen out and ready to drop ink to paper.

If you need a (or another) "AW" then ya better go out and get one (or more) before it's too late.

AWB is not a priority for me cuz I have what I require. Conversely, I'll likely have ample warning to get "more" before I can't get any more.

 

[Gil223]

The alleged derailment occurred cuz it is unreasonable to contend, at this time, that a AWB will be implemented anytime some. I have not detected any evidence to indicate that Obama has his AWB pen out and ready to drop ink to paper.

"Derailing" a thread is extremely common. I would estimate (and this is purely an estimate, based upon personal observation, not a count of any kind) that roughly 90-95% of all threads in this forum get derailed/hijacked somewhere along the line... if only for a few unrelated posts. Sometimes the redirection is inadvertent, and sometimes it appears to be "with malice aforethought".

Regarding a lack of evidence regarding Obama's anti-gun inclinations, there is this:

"President Obama pledged to do more to counteract gun violence. In the wake of the recent Colorado Shooting, Obama pledged to engage in bi-partisan “violence reduction,” and stated that “AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. (Reuters)”

and then there is this:

“I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns,” Obama told author and economist John Lott, according to an interview Lott did on the Michael Medved Show in 2008.

And, there are many other statements and actions indicating his lack of respect for 2A. Personally, I don't believe that anybody "needs" an FAW, anymore than they "need" a TV set, but need is not the issue. Rights is the issue - birthrights, human rights, and Constitutional rights - and the Constitution (and SCOTUS) have both affirmed our personal RKBA. One way of looking at it is that Obama (by virtue of his own statement), therefore, does not believe in any of our other Constitutional guarantees either. He is apparently an adherent of the "living/evolving document" BS theory. Pax...

 

[WalkingWolf]

About the only people who can afford to shoot a FAW, are people of some means who can afford the ammo. Ammo is expensive, and FA usually is for fun shooting, not hunting or even protection. I would dare anyone to provide substantial evidence of a FAW being used in a crime, in the last 50 years.

 

[MAC702]

...I would dare anyone to provide substantial evidence of a FAW being used in a crime, in the last 50 years.

Not counting the illegally-converted AKs used in the Hollywood bank-robber shootout?

Last I heard from the NRA, but this was many years ago, the only two known cases of legally-owned FAWs being used in crimes were both committed by cops. I would have to dig deep to find the source today.

 

[Shoobee]

Maybe we should get a mod or admin to change the thread title from "Election 2012 Bye Bye Guns" to "Election 2012 Bye Bye GOP" considering the direction the thread has taken. A sprinkling of "gun" here or "right" there does not mitigate my thread derailment contention.

The alleged derailment occurred cuz it is unreasonable to contend, at this time, that a AWB will be implemented anytime some. I have not detected any evidence to indicate that Obama has his AWB pen out and ready to drop ink to paper.

If you need a (or another) "AW" then ya better go out and get one (or more) before it's too late.

AWB is not a priority for me cuz I have what I require. Conversely, I'll likely have ample warning to get "more" before I can't get any more.

Senatora Dianne Feinstein announced that she was indeed going to sponsor federal legislation to introduce another ban.

But I agree with you, I do not know how far it will go.

Sun Tzu the ancient Chinese general and philosopher said, "know thy enemy and know thyself ... ."

If you look at Dianne's and Obama's and Romney's viewpoints on assault weapons (semi auto gas operated magazine fed high capacity anti personnel rifles in 5.56 or 7.62 mm), they and about 60% of the households in the USA that are non-gun-owning have no respect or love or sympathy for these kind of weapon. That does not mean the weapons are good or bad. It does not mean these people are good or bad.

It simply means these people think differently than the 40% of households in the USA who are gun owning and who support having these weapons for various reasons. The percentage is probably somewhat less than the full 40% because not all gun-owning households has an AK-47 or an AR-15 or a MAC-10 or Uzi.

At any rate, as in any democracy, this issue is just something that needs to be worked out.

Heller already protects handguns (pistols and revolvers) and shotguns (not sawed-off ones though) because it specifically discusses these, and these firearms are therefore "safe".

However the issue of carbines that are gas operated, magazine fed, semi auto firing, high capacity, and of a calibre such that humans are the primary targets (5.56 or 7.62 mm NATO) has not yet been addressed by the Roberts court.

But the Roberts court is as good as it is going to ever get, at 5 to 4 pro 2nd Amendment.

So now is the best time to deal with this issue once and for all before Scalia retires.

The thread is also exaggeratedly misnamed. This is not goodbye to ALL guns.

It may be goodbye to all NEW AK-47s and NEW AR-15s and NEW MAC-10s. But it is not goodbye to anything else. And even that is only a worst case scenario.

The US House is still Republican controlled.

The US Supreme Court is still 5 to 4 pro 2A.

Nothing in DC changed over the week before -- still a very divided government that cannot agree on anything.

My guess is that Dianne's bill will just die in committee.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf