Election 2012 Bye Bye Guns.

[WalkingWolf]

That's great, but this is a republic, not an autocracy.
He can't do anything by himself. he has no support to enact any new gun laws because that involves needing congress. not to mention he is still yet to appoint a justice, and when he does it will probably be some old liberal who retires.

So I think maybe obama will try, but he won't succeed.

Obama has appointed 160 federal judges, two of them SCOTUS, both liberal.

 

[scott58dh]

Thanx for the memories

So much for life as we know it.

I tried being reasonable in the past with attempting to encourage everyone that a vote for anyone other than Mr. Romney is a vote for Nobama(idiot).

Well, guess what,,, you got what you wanted, another 4 years of Idiocy, Lunacy & outright anti-American Rhetoric !!!

The SCOTUS (as it stands now) is about to become a thing of the past....

and all I have to say to all the numbskulls who voted for Tom,Dick or Gary Johnson.?.!.?.!.

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[Sig229]

I dont think he will try and push through any new gun laws until the next nut case decides to shoot up some office building or school.
Obama is an opportunist and will use any opportunity he can to pass any agenda he has.
I know Im wasting my time saying this, but as gun owners we need to be PROACTIVE and start telling all (D and R's) that we will NOT entertain or condone ANY new gun laws. And we need to tell them this NOW before they get comfortable right after this election.

As far as the next four years all I can say is we are about to see the beginning stages of the decline of the America we grew up with.
By the time Obama finishes this term our nation is going to be in debt that we are completely unable to recover from.

Like in the film Easy Rider: "This used to be a hell of a great country ....."

 

[Shoobee]

Looks like we're done.

What's your opinion?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

Don't know what you are crying about in Michigan. That was not a swing state. Mitt shot himself in the foot in Michigan and Ohio when he opposed the car companies' rescue.

The swing states were all swept by Pres O which simply means all the swing states repudiated Mitt's message(s).

The red koolaid was not popular there.

Only in the South and along a line through Kansas and another line thru Utah is where the red koolaid was popular.

You don't live in a red koolaid state. Maybe you would be happier if you moved south?

 

[Shoobee]

I dont think he will try and push through any new gun laws until the next nut case decides to shoot up some office building or school.
Obama is an opportunist and will use any opportunity he can to pass any agenda he has.
I know Im wasting my time saying this, but as gun owners we need to be PROACTIVE and start telling all (D and R's) that we will NOT entertain or condone ANY new gun laws. And we need to tell them this NOW before they get comfortable right after this election. ...

This part of your comments I completely agree with.

I do not believe the DNC is going to repeat the mistake they/we made in 1994 by passing the first federal assault weapons ban. It spawned Gingrich, a parasite that bit the DNC in the rumpole for the next 10 years. And it lost control of both houses of Congress.

And I do not believe Pres O ever meant to actually pass any new gun laws. But he knows that the 60%+ of American households that do NOT contain guns view AK-47s and other military-like rifles UN-desirable. The statement sells.

In addition, with the current US Supreme Court, there is a strong chance the 5 in the gun majority would overrule an assault weapons ban.

 

[Shoobee]

I'm not so sure.

Obama hasn't touched the gun issue except to make statements to pacify his base. getting extreme gun control passed will not be easy as republicans are unlikely to go along with it, and the NRA holds the cards of the most of those republicans political futures so it's unlikely they will play ball.

True obama can appoint judges, but who's most likely to retire? most of the time justices only retire when a president who is friendly to their philosophy is seated. of course someone could die and thats a concern. but the geezers only need to live for 4 more years.... LOL still it's likely anti-gun justices will retire and not pro-gun justices.

And Obama could start active enforcement of GFSZA but local police officers can't enforce it, only federal. the ATF does not and will not have the funding to place agents outside of skrools hoping to bust an OCer. and most OCers have CPLs anyway, so the prosecutable offenses will be relatively low in comparison to the money they'll spend. why do you think they only prosecute druggies and gang members? because in those cases the state has already done the leg work in finding and gathering evidence. i'm not aware of a federal agent EVER making a bust for GFSZA just because they normally always jerk you around after the state has had their turn. If they actually had to find violators themselves the ATF would be pushing for repeal of the law...

And now you have many more potential cases to go before SCOTUS under that law.... just not gonna happen.

I actually think guns are somewhat safe at the moment.

As far as executive orders, the only thing he could reasonable do is apply the "sporting features" test to imported firearms. the administration has no legal authority to ban AR type weapons produced at home without congressional approval

You are actually quite correct -- guns are safe for now and probably also for a long time as well. But mostly because of this which is now a precedent and the law:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

 

[carracer]

As stated previously, I fear the "executive order". I believe it will be used to harrass us endlessly. Remember the statement pruportedlymade tp the Brady bunch about working behind the scenes or such.

 

[OC for ME]

"3rd" party candidates had absolutely zero impact on the outcome of the presidential election. No Ross Perot this time around.

Congratulations to Obama and his loyal supporters.

 

[PistolPackingMomma]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. They won't come to physically wrest our guns from our grasp; they will simply tax them until they become too cost prohibitive to own. It's already happening in Cook County, IL. When you can only afford two of the three necessities (shelter, food, firearms/ammo), which do you think most people will forego?

Obama MIGHT try the EO route, but his advisers will caution him the most effective avenue will simply be to tax/fine/penalize and demonize gun owners.

 

[BoiledFrogs]

I think that Obama has been patiently waiting for re election before attacking out guns. He cares nothing for our rights, nor any other part of the constitution that would limit his plans. He is a master at getting around such limits. Just look at the health scare bill, nobody wanted it, yet he pushed it through. Far more were opposed to that, than support guns.

I think we will have more serious problems getting him to follow the rules, than any specific gun ban he pushes through. He is setting up the courts to make it easier for him to do just that. Once he has all the pieces in order, he will move.

Let's not forget about the UN...

 

[beebobby]

The GOTP trotted out all this FUD after Obama was elected the first time and guess what? None of it happened. We have more guns, more CCW licenses and more ammo.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

[snippers]

Well, guess what,,, you got what you wanted, another 4 years of Idiocy, Lunacy & outright anti-American Rhetoric !!!

[snippers]

The attitude above handed the Democratic Party the White House. By all means, continue, make sure Republicans take-on your stance, seeing how it worked-out this time around.

 

[Shoobee]

"3rd" party candidates had absolutely zero impact on the outcome of the presidential election. No Ross Perot this time around.

Congratulations to Obama and his loyal supporters.

Thank you OC that is very kind.

You are indeed a gentleman who can take a beating and not flinch from it.

 

[Shoobee]

The attitude above handed the Democratic Party the White House. By all means, continue, make sure Republicans take-on your stance, seeing how it worked-out this time around.

My personal view is that Romney is what defeated the Republicans.

He borrowed his way into your party, not having your values, then he IED-ed you guys from within with his lies, flip flopping and other scurrilous behavior.

I could live with Ron Paul as president.

I could live with Rick Perry as president.

But not with this dirt bag called Romney.

And the majority of Americans, at least 50.4% of them obviously feels the same way.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

My personal view is that Romney is what defeated the Republicans.

[snippers].

I see. So, the candidate wasn't a 'true" conservative, which is why he lost? Hopefully Republicans don't take hold of that out-dated banner, or they will lose more elections.

 

[Shoobee]

I think that Obama has been patiently waiting for re election before attacking out guns. He cares nothing for our rights, nor any other part of the constitution that would limit his plans. He is a master at getting around such limits. Just look at the health scare bill, nobody wanted it, yet he pushed it through. Far more were opposed to that, than support guns.

I think we will have more serious problems getting him to follow the rules, than any specific gun ban he pushes through. He is setting up the courts to make it easier for him to do just that. Once he has all the pieces in order, he will move.

Let's not forget about the UN...

I do not believe that Obama will choose to have his legacy from his second term be wasted on another worthless AWB.

Obama did hint at election reform last night so that people do not have to wait in line hours and hours to vote.

Maybe he will choose to work on that.

Obama-care also needs to be fully phased in so that the poor can get medical care and the hospitals can get paid for providing it.

Maybe he will choose to work on that.

With a Repub US House and a Repub US Supreme Court, and only a slim majority not 60 votes in the US Senate being Demo, there is nothing that can get done without cooperation between both parties. Boehner still has lots of power, unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it.

 

[Shoobee]

I see. So, the candidate wasn't a 'true" conservative, which is why he lost? Hopefully Republicans don't take hold of that out-dated banner, or they will lose more elections.

The Repub party needs to move itself more towards the center, not more to the extremes of the T-party.

But even so, Romney was the worst possible candidate you guys could have chosen. He was a weak fake imitation of Reagan, without any of Reagan's cunning charm.

In the final analysis Romney was just another Nixon.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

[snippers]
With a Repub US House and a Repub US Supreme Court, and only a slim majority not 60 votes in the US Senate being Demo, there is nothing that can get done without cooperation between both parties. Boehner still has lots of power, unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it.

IMO, the American people elected the same individuals, basically locking both Party's in the political room, and demanding they work together. If they don't, I see the House tipping to Democrats next year.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

The Repub party needs to move itself more towards the center, not more to the extremes of the T-party.

But even so, Romney was the worst possible candidate you guys could have chosen. He was a weak fake imitation of Reagan, without any of Reagan's cunning charm.

In the final analysis Romney was just another Nixon.

I'm not completely sure, but there were two Tea Party types that lost their seat.

 

[Shoobee]

IMO, the American people elected the same individuals, basically locking both Party's in the political room, and demanding they work together. If they don't, I see the House tipping to Democrats next year.

It all depends on how the Republicans behave over the next 2 years.

There is a strong argument for removing Boehner and replacing him with someone who did not say his main goal was to remove the President from office. I hope they remove Boehner simply because his obstructionist tactics have not worked for them.

Fact-1: Boehner obstructed every compromise that Harry Reid offered him.

Fact-2: Boehner and the RNC tried to blame the obstruction on Obama.

Fact-3: 50.4% of the US voters did not buy this red koolaid.

But you are right, the Repub's need to mind their p's and q's for the next two years or else they will lose even bigger during the midterm elections.