Culpeper shooting

[sawah]

I believe the police have lost their Mission, which WAS to protect and serve. They are now largely self-serving, preying on the very people they're sworn to protect and defend. A quick look at the police oversight website shows they've been involved in a whole range of criminal activities.

http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?page_id=4135#_Misconduct_by_Type

 

[TFred]

I believe the police have lost their Mission, which WAS to protect and serve. They are now largely self-serving, preying on the very people they're sworn to protect and defend. A quick look at the police oversight website shows they've been involved in a whole range of criminal activities.
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http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?page_id=4135#_Misconduct_by_Type

It would be interesting to compare the statistics from such websites to misconduct by CHP holders, to update the generally held assertion that CHP holders are generally "more law abiding" than police officers.

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[Dreamer]

Because the essence of a "crime" is the offense against the dignity of the Sovereign, the "victim" of every crime is the Commonwealth, not some person who happens to get hurt by the commission of the crime. That person, if he live, is merely a witness as far as criminal procedure goes. As P.N. points out, the next of kin will be best served by conducting their own prosecution in civil court.

And this sick, twisted ideology is the fundamental reason why our nation (and the world) is as screwed up as it is.

When the sovereignty of an individual is somehow seen as being less important or less "sovereign" than the "sovereignty" of an ELECTED government (that, by definition, REPRESENTS the sovereignty of it's constituents--who are INDIVIDUALS), we are headed down a dark, slippery road to absolute serfdom.

The "legal system" is nothing more than a cultic prisethood, serving the generaltional puppetmasters of International Globalism, and are merely the administrative enforcement branch of a system that is slowly returning the entire planet to a 21st century verison of medieval feudalism, where the ONLY individuals with "sovereignty" are the ruling class.

I hate to sound like I'm demonizing your entire profession, User, but I think we all need to come to the realization that this is basically the truth of how the system really works today...

 

[TFred]

And this sick, twisted ideology is the fundamental reason why our nation (and the world) is as screwed up as it is.

When the sovereignty of an individual is somehow seen as being less important or less "sovereign" than the "sovereignty" of an ELECTED government (that, by definition, REPRESENTS the sovereignty of it's constituents--who are INDIVIDUALS), we are headed down a dark, slippery road to absolute serfdom.

The "legal system" is nothing more than a cultic prisethood, serving the generaltional puppetmasters of International Globalism, and are merely the administrative enforcement branch of a system that is slowly returning the entire planet to a 21st century verison of medieval feudalism, where the ONLY individuals with "sovereignty" are the ruling class.

I hate to sound like I'm demonizing your entire profession, User, but I think we all need to come to the realization that this is basically the truth of how the system really works today...

But don't forget, this system dates back to England and King James the First. Crimes were an affront to the King, not necessarily to his subjects. We ditched the king but kept the convention of laws protecting the government.

See these two sections of code:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+1-200
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+1-201

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[mobeewan]

I don't know anything about the Special Prosecutor. Like most things, if Dan says so, I don't look any further,
I do know about Grand Juries though and they will only be presented with the information the SP gives them. It's rare they don't return a True Bill unless the Prosecutor doesn't want them to. He runs the show!

True. I have sat on a grand jury for Hampton Circuit Court and all we heard was testimony from the police officers and detectives involved in the cases. We returned True Bills on every case presented including one involving the alleged rape of a Hampton University womens basketball team member by 3 members of the mens basketball. Each faced 1 count each of first degree rape and 2 counts each of second degree rape for taking turns and each holding her down for the next one. Several months later I saw in the local paper that all 3 were found not guilty of all charges at trial.

As part of our instructions from the judge we were told we could call for additional witness if we thought it was necessary and could ask questions of the officers, but it was only our job to determine if there was enough evidence to proceed with a trial or not. He said sometimes Grand Juries get caught up in trying the case and that was not our job. That was what the trial jury was for.

 

[nuc65]

But don't forget, this system dates back to England and King James the First. Crimes were an affront to the King, not necessarily to his subjects. We ditched the king but kept the convention of laws protecting the government.

See these two sections of code:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+1-200
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+1-201

TFred

I don't believe that the Republic was founded on this basis. The basis of the Constitution was the rights of the individual over that of the government. This has slowly been eroded by our 'elected' officials to the 'rights' (!?!) of the Government. It has been slowly being worked on over a number of years. I remember a presentation made when I was in elementary school where a person came in and told us the only way to effect change was to start in the schools at a young age, and eventually everybody would believe sans proof in the change you desired (e.g., green energy, recycling). Now that those groups of people are more in power we see what has been wrought. It is the same with having police in elementary schools to teach us that police are the good guys and never wrong, and to make felons of kids that hug teachers, bring aspirin or 'gasp' pocket knives to school. The only way to fix this would be to fire any judge that makes a political based decision. Repair and admonish the legislature to 'fix' an overwhelming number of wrong, incongruous, or conflicting laws, and to recognize the Constitution as the true legal document where the rights of the Individual are truly sovereign to the government as it was meant to be by our founding fathers.

 

[SouthernBoy]

This whole thing is sickening and sad.

A woman dead.

A man's career over.

Why? Us.

We have allowed some among our government to be trained in agressive behavior. All the evidence points to police training that emphasizes control and intimidation. A constabulary that would respect Constitutional rights and be trained more in conflict resolution and generalized emergency sevices is much preferred to a local team of Brown Shirts.

Many on this site understand government overreach. I think we continue to do what we do best. Write, e-mail, stay politically active. Until the end.

Agree.

After all, it is We the People who own the government and all attached to it, not the other way around. It is We the People who are the Supreme Sovereign and to whom government is subservient and answerable. And it is We the People who can change, alter, or abolish it at our pleasure.

Somehow I think most Americans have not only forgotten these facts, but were not only never taught them, and would find them abhorrent. Were our Founders alive, it is they who would be branded outcasts, extremists, and radicals. This is indeed, a sad comment on our contemporary national being.

 

[skidmark]

I don't believe that the Republic was founded on this basis. .....

Actually, the Republic was founded exactly on this basis - that "The Law" was supreme and that both government and individuals are obligated to obey it. "The Law" was originally what the King said, and then what he told Parliment to say it was. By the time 1776 rolled around everybody was fairly well in agreement that "The Law" was what they wanted it to be because they felt that they had at least some input in what it actually said. When King George III started imposing "laws" on the colonies without them having any say in what the laws would be or how they would be enforced the folks started getting mightily peeved until they told the King where to go. They repealed/repudiated those laws they considered unjustly imposed (not laws they considered unjust) and kept everything else so they would not have to reinvent the wheel.

It was only later that the courts got into the habit of telling us what they thought the law should be, as opposed to pointing out which laws were repugnant to the Constitution.

stay safe.

 

[wylde007]

Surprise, surprise

The VSP is trying to discredit the sole witness claiming his story has changed from the original statement he gave?

Shocker.

 

[Sheriff]

The VSP is trying to discredit the sole witness claiming his story has changed from the original statement he gave?

Shocker.

From the minute this shooting took place, the eyewitness has maintained that the cop had his left hand on the outside door handle and his right hand held his gun. He went on to say that the cop fired once into the vehicle as she pulled off, and followed her on foot to empty his weapon into the vehicle as she was driving up the street.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this eyewitness disappear.

 

[MSC 45ACP]

Headline:

54 year-old Sunday School Teacher Receives Death Penalty for Contempt of Cop...

 

[Repeater]

The fight is everywhere

The price of freedom is .....

Right?

Consider how activists fight in Bloomberg's NYC:

The Fight Against Stop-and-Frisk

An unlikely activist's battle with the NYPD's frisky business

Jazz Hayden might be the most unlikely character in the long-running controversy over the NYPD's stop-and-frisk campaign, which has affected more than 4 million New Yorkers since 2004.

Hayden has spent the past four years irritating police officers by videotaping them as they stop and frisk people in Harlem in a program he calls "Copwatch." He often posts the videos on the Internet. For most of that period, he encountered little more than annoyed cops, but recently, his activities might have caught up with him.

Last summer, Hayden filmed two plainclothes officers during an evening car stop. The exchange between Hayden and the officers was contentious, even though the two motorists who were stopped were let go without charges.

Then, on December 2, as Hayden drove away after a meeting at Riverside Church, the same two officers stopped him, searched him, and arrested him for possession of a penknife. "We know you," one of them said.

"These guys knew who I was," Hayden says, calling it "NYPD officers taking revenge on me. . . . It was clear retaliation."

Well, the long article goes on from there, but you can imagine the worse:

What probably should have been a minor incident became 48 hours in holding cells and a felony weapons charge against the activist. Hayden's arrest has also become something of a cause in Harlem.

Oh, and something new: Stop-and-Frisk on private property.

Bloomberg = Stalin?

 

[SouthernBoy]

Arrested for possession of a pen knife? Holly crap, New York City must really be hell after all. God forbid if he was carrying a Benchmark or Spyderco. They'd have a jolly old time with that.

 

[Citizen]

Oh, and something new: Stop-and-Frisk on private property.

This one shouldn't be too hard to solve. According to the article, police are patrolling hallways and lobbies in buildings at the request of the property owners.

Just sue the landlord for his agent's (cop) illegal search or seizure.

 

[nuc65]

This one shouldn't be too hard to solve. According to the article, police are patrolling hallways and lobbies in buildings at the request of the property owners.

Just sue the landlord for his agent's (cop) illegal search or seizure.

I believe NYPD (if not already) will be using terahertz technology to perform virtual strip searches as they drive around. Then not only will you not be inconvenienced, you won't know (at least until you develop skin cancer).

 

[Marco]

Arrested for possession of a pen knife? Holly crap, New York City must really be hell after all. God forbid if he was carrying a Benchmark or Spyderco. They'd have a jolly old time with that.

NY state Knife laws

There is no limit on knife length in New York State. (Regardless of what anyone has told you, there is simply no law addressing knife length.) New York City has additional restrictions on knives, including a prohibition on any knife with a blade 4" or longer.

For all practical purposes, weapons are completely forbidden in New York City, despite assurances of rights in NY Civil Rights law and the US Constitution.


BOT:

Any new info regarding the killing of the middle aged lady in Culpuper?

 

[sawah]

To get us back on topic, the husband has hired an atty, met with the CoP, and others at a church. He's filing.

http://www2.starexponent.com/news/2012/feb/17/widower-pursue-lawsuit-ar-1695343/

The husband of a 54-year-old woman shot and killed by a Culpeper police officer Feb. 9 has secured an attorney and said he will pursue a lawsuit.

“I am pursuing a suit with the Town of Culpeper,” said Gary Cook early Thursday afternoon. He deferred questions regarding the specifics of the suit to his Charlottesville-based lawyer, David Kendall, of Kendall Law Firm, who confirmed that they had not yet filed a suit against the town and would not comment on specifics of the potential suit out of respect for Patricia Cook’s memorial service Sunday.

 

[peter nap]

To get us back on topic, the husband has hired an atty, met with the CoP, and others at a church. He's filing.

http://www2.starexponent.com/news/2012/feb/17/widower-pursue-lawsuit-ar-1695343/

Good for him!
This will also bring out the facts unless the town settles early and gag's the details under the terms.

 

[Repeater]

To get us back on topic, the husband has hired an atty, met with the CoP, and others at a church. He's filing.

http://www2.starexponent.com/news/2012/feb/17/widower-pursue-lawsuit-ar-1695343/

Well now!

It escalates.

 

[sawah]

Good for him!
This will also bring out the facts unless the town settles early and gag's the details under the terms.

There's precedent. It might be in the thread, 1.5M settlement and no details and no arrests.

Look at it this way. Though we might find it defies logic, who is generally believed when the Judge asks a question at, say a traffic offense. The LEO. Of course, the LEO is allowed to lie but not under oath. If the VSP can't find clear evidence that contradict the LEO's testimony that he was caught and dragged, they can't declare him guilty of anything. How do you handle a volley of shots during what doesn't really seem to be a felony stop, like an escaping murderer, whom you just can't let drive away?

What the authorities did say was that they promote the use of the spray and taser before use of lethal force (I might have quoted it or just missed that quote).

If a LEO has no priors, then even though this is an egregious and unfair shooting, he is pretty much licensed to kill. He didn't hunt her down and premeditate her murder (AFAIK). The 'spurned lover' comments seem laughable.

Finally, the spokesperson said 'an investigation could take weeks, be patient'. What? Weeks? It should be done in hours. Maybe they're waiting weeks to get a look at the LEO's arm (or shoes)...a lot of BGs get off because the investigation is sloppy and drags on. So, they know how to prolong things. Wait out people's anger. They'll return a 'training and internal' path, and thus won't comment except to issue the pay off.

The big thing is to make sure this doesn't happen again. Dash cams always on, maybe call in back up on all stops for a while. Restore confidence. But commenters have been saying all has not been well in Culpeper.