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Could my 18 year old son legally carry a handgun in Vermont?

vermonter

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Kingfish, I apologise.... I see you are in Georgia where souther parents use a switch and kid generally grow up with values. When I describe the issues in Burlington VT it is another world. You would have to come up here and see what the liberals have allowed to happen with their "programs" and handouts. We have become a third world country (City of Burlington). I would not trust ANY youth I have run into in Burlington to carry a firearm or even an airsoft gun. BTW they tried to rob a cabby with one! Perhaps we should limit under 21 carry to rural areas only outside of liberal states with no morals!
 

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Any time we try to limit the RKBA by where one lives, much less by their ethnicity, we step back in time to the gun control of a bygone era. No economic criteria has legitimate value either.

Judge a person (individual) by their actions - nothing else.

Generalizing negative perceptions is fraught with problems and penalizes all for the poor conduct of others.
 

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Kingfish, I apologise.... I see you are in Georgia where souther parents use a switch and kid generally grow up with values....
Sorry, I have lived in a lot of different places including liberal strongholds. I STILL do not have any interest in denying free men their rights.

You see, I would be perfectly content if there were ZERO "gun control" laws...And I do mean ZERO.
 

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He is allowed to carry in Vermont at 18. In fact I think 16 is the age to carry, but I am not 100% sure. All I can say looking back is at 18 I was no way mature enough to handle carrying a weapon that may be used for defense in a crowded setting with lot's of bystanders. The only place you would need it in Vermont is the Old North End of Burlington, and I doubt you will be putting "Little Somalia" on your vacation agenda. IMHO it should be 21 to carry a handgun (18 if you are military), and 16 a long gun with a safety course and hunting license. Sorry but 16 or 18 is generally not mature enough to make deadly force decisions in public. I have 30 years as an NRA instructor.
I'm 19 and have been carrying since I turned 18. In Indiana, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Maine, and New Hampshire 18 year olds who are eligible can get carry permit. In many more states like Michigan no permit is needed to open carry at 18. These states are not having problems with those of us under 21 legally carrying. To insist such nonsense makes me wonder if you have ever worked with the Brady Campaign. You may not have been ready at 18 but many of us are. I can show you plenty of people over 21 who I don't think are capable enough to make the decision to use deadly force in public but can still get a carry permit. This is just like someone who is antigun having a problem with other people carrying because they know they are not mature enough to carry.
 
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In Indiana, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Maine, and New Hampshire 18 year olds who are eligible can get carry permit.
In New Hampshire, there is no age requirement at all. I've heard anecdotes of 16 year olds having licenses, and even a report of a 14 year old. There is no state law that restricts it.
 

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In New Hampshire, there is no age requirement at all. I've heard anecdotes of 16 year olds having licenses, and even a report of a 14 year old. There is no state law that restricts it.
True, but they still can't carry a gun until they turn 18 per federal law.
 

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True, but they still can't carry a gun until they turn 18 per federal law.
And, no one cares.

Just like the federal GFSZA that restricts carry in much of VT, unless there is some other crime in play the feds simply don't care. They're not going to waste time or effort prosecuting it.
 

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Only when engaged in the activities specified in 18 USC 922 (x)(3)(A)(i): "(i) in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the juvenile (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the juvenile, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun;"

Notice that pesky conjunction, "and" between (iii), (iv)? That means all 4 conditions must be met, (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv).
Ah..was a bit hard to read with out line spacing and the indentions. Looked at it on line. For a moment wondered if it just meant (iii) and (iv) But I think the semi-colons {;} after each one does mean it is a list. If each one stood on it's own it would have ended with a colon {:} right?

Ok so....several states listed on the map on this website show OC legal by those under 18....how does that work then?
 
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Fallguy

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Sorry, posting cut and paste on this forum has always screwed up the formatting. If each section stood on it's own, the difference would be the word between (iii) and (iv) would become "or" instead of "and".

I do wish the age to OC map would reflect Federal law. Most states have laws prohibiting possession of a firearm by persons under the age of 18 in order to place a lower age limitation on the exceptions to the Federal law. For example, a state may not want a 12 year old carrying a pistol while farming, with the written permission of his parents in his possession. To do so would completely satisfy Federal law, but the state may enact a law prohibiting anyone under 14 from carrying/possessing a handgun. That state law does not supersede the limitations of Federal law, but instead limits the exceptions to the Federal law.
Yeah, the map sort of leads you to think that in many states those under 18 can legally OC on "Main St".

I do follow that the way the Federal law is worded is to allow a state to impose an more restrictive age (like 12) if they choose to.

Thanks...
 
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