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Carry Ammo?

sandy

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You can find my post in support of EFMJ on page 3 of this thread, and since it came up againI'll add some more details about my own ad-hoc testing. I think what's been said here is fair. EFMJ is not the "best" technology out there and everything is a tradeoff. But I am personally convinced of EFMJ's effectiveness and it is what I carry.

I was shooting .40 caliber through a foam target at the range, and decided to try some expansion comparisons. I layered two pieces of foam together for a thickness of around an inch and a half. On the front of that I taped a plastic target disc. No surprise, firing FMJ into this made a clean hole in all layers. Firing a Winchester Ranger (formerly Black Talon) into this pile caused some significant expansion. The plastic disc had a small hole just like the FMJ, and there was some progressive expansion through the foam layers. Obviously I can't measure how big the bullet eventually expanded to or how deep it would have penetrated, but the expansion looked decent. It did expand somewhat. I then fired my EFMJ into it. The entry hole was the same, but the effect on the foam in back was explosive in comparison. It looked like the bullet expanded to its full diameter when it passed through the plastic, and took out the maximum width of both foam layers.

Although this is not the most scientific test, it supports Federal's claim that this round resists the tendency to clog, and expands in circumstances when hollowpoints might not. The comparison round (Ranger) is rated pretty highly in terms of reliable expansion, so I think it is a fair test.

I've also done water jug tests, but I've never managed to get enough in a row to capture the expanded bullet. I can clearly see that it expanded quickly, but it always seems to get away from me, usually because it strays from a straight line after about 3 jugs.

EFMJ is a good price point for me, and the biggest factor in my personal choice was mentioned in my previous post:When I miss, I think EFMJ is more likely to expand sooner and go through fewer walls before stopping. Yet its on-target performance is on par with the best of them. I'm happy with my choice. Test your own choiceso you are similarly happy with yours.

--Sandy (WA)
 

packin_NC_79

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I carry either .40 S&W Federal Classic 155gr JHP . or .40 S&W Federal Hydro-Shok 165gr JHP. Right now I am getting the classic's for 19.99 in a box of 50. Can beat the price there, at least not around here anyway. The Hydro-Shoks are 21.99 for 20.
 

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2400 wrote:
I use either Hydrashocks or handloads depending on what gun I'm using.
I read an article by a Criminal Defense Atty. in which he said to NEVER use handloads for carry ammo. The ballistics of your handload have not been established and no matter the circumstances of your personal defense shooting you will have legal problems. No matter what you choose stay with factory ammo. which will have established Numbers/Testing . I believe the article was in the "Defender" by VCDL but it may have been in VSSAs mag. (about 2yrs. ago)
 

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packin_NC_79 wrote:
I carry either .40 S&W Federal Classic 155gr JHP . or .40 S&W Federal Hydro-Shok 165gr JHP. Right now I am getting the classic's for 19.99 in a box of 50. Can beat the price there, at least not around here anyway. The Hydro-Shoks are 21.99 for 20.
wow, i'm getting .40 s&w 180 jhp gold dots for $10.50 for 50. then again, it's at the gun show from Georgia Arms.
 

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swatpro911 wrote:
which load is better for tight group of shots and accuracy for target practice. I have 9mm and barrel length is about 4.9 "
that is totally dependant on your gun, imo. my 1911 likes 230 grain bullets better than 200 grain, and i haven't even begun to mess with the powder charges yet.
 

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packin_NC_79 wrote:
Yeah, Gold dots are in the same bracket here around $21 - $22 for a box of 20. I use the fed box of 50 for now and will be looking for a better deal soon.

http://www.georgia-arms.com/catalog.htm

i've never bought 1000 rounds at a time, but usually do 500 at each show for $100. and i get a 30 cal ammo can! great for storing brass/powder/primers. make sure you get to a show and look for them - save the shipping money!
 

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I carry Winchester 230 grain JHP in my .45 ACP in my 1911 and Blazer Brass 158 grain .357 Magnum JHP in my revolver
 

just_a_car

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Winchester Ranger SXT® 165gr .40S&W (P/N: RA40TA) in my Glock 27.

For practice, I pick up the Winchester Whitebox 165gr .40S&W 100 round Value Pack at Walmart for just under $22.00 after taxes.
 

Drewesque

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I carry an XD45 loaded with 230gr HSM JHPs at the moment. I'll probably have to switch again, since the shop I was buying them at seems to have stopped stocking them. I did a bit of homegrown ballistics testing, and they expanded well. I accidentally bought the lightest Federal Hydrashoks at one point, and I tried them (165gr). They didn't penetrate well enough for my taste, and they fragmented pretty badly (I couldn't even find a chunk big enough to bother saving). Of course, they were designed for short barrels. Out of one of those, they might be better.

In any case, the HSMs are a good defensive round for a good price. They let me practice with my carry ammo without worrying too much about the cost (mind you, I still save my brass--they aren't as cheap as reloads).


EDIT: Please don't interpret this as being ant-Hydrashoks. As long as I get the 230gr, they are fantastic. I just don't like how the light ones perform in my particular .45. To show my support for Hydrashoks, here is a dancing banana: :celebrate
 

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Silver Bear 145gr. JHP 9mm for my Smith. Cheap and effective Soviet leftovers (although they will hang up in my Star 9mm, so FMJ-only when I use it).

-ljp
 

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What's a Glock 27 leo only? Some kind of pressure barrel or something?

-ljp
 

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Legba wrote:
What's a Glock 27 leo only? Some kind of pressure barrel or something?

-ljp
Generally it's used by LEO who lives in a commie state and his weapon is not attainable by general public. Glock 27 should be attainable by people living in free states.
 

Pa. Patriot

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casullshooter wrote:
I read an article by a Criminal Defense Atty. in which he said to NEVER use handloads for carry ammo...

This "professional" advice has been around forever.

However, I can not find, and not for lack of asking and looking, one single case where handloads were cause for a defendant to have problems in court.
Yeah, I understand the concept, prosecuter could make a scary embellishment about how one loaded special super dealy ammo and that somehow means he was looking for trouble. blah blah blah.

BUT, again, so far I can not find one single solitary instance of ANYTHING even close to that ever actually happening....

I think I'll carry whatever I feel like. All ammo is deadly in the right hands ;)
 

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Not sure what "commie states" you're referring to, but we have a couple of Glock 27s for sale to the general public on the shelf here... I know California aspires to be a de facto gun-free zone (unless you're in MS-13, of course), but I'm not aware of any prohibition on the compact Glocks elsewhere.

-ljp
 

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Just an FYI. If you like the Hydrashocks but not the price ($20 for 20 rounds), at the last gun show in Dale City, I saw them for $18 for a box of 50. Picked up a 50 count box of HST's for $16. Haven't seen prices better than that...
 
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