Need clarification on Texas open carry rules

MAC702 · Dec 13, 2015

Jeep.Wrangler said:
...To me the element of surprise is the bigger tactical advantage...

One thing to consider is that I'd rather be left alone, than have an element of surprise to help me because I wasn't left alone.

The fact is that criminals don't pick on armed targets. It's a statistical zero.

There is also a "tactical advantage" to carrying a full-size firearm in greater comfort.

Welcome to OCDO!

HPmatt · Dec 13, 2015

solus said:
tell ya what stealth, wear your down the leg tacticool holster the first...and see how the nice TX LEs feel about 'non-aggressive' ...

I could see an ambitious DA call this an 'assault style' holster....

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solus · Dec 13, 2015

HPmatt said:
I could see an ambitious DA call this an 'assault style' holster....

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the whole state of texas has a whole steep learn'g curve ahead of it come the first of the year.

ipse

nonameisgood · Dec 13, 2015

Hopefully we all play nice and get past the learning period without either officers or carriers getting out of line.
Time to go buy a Sunday Go To Meetin' rig.

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Grapeshot · Dec 13, 2015

nonameisgood said:
Hopefully we all play nice and get past the learning period without either officers or carriers getting out of line.
Time to go buy a Sunday Go To Meetin' rig.

The eyes of Texas are upon you

stealthyeliminator · Dec 14, 2015

HPmatt said:
I could see an ambitious DA call this an 'assault style' holster....

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I was one of the first to suggest that public employees may make it out to be something it isn't. When posts like solus' contain literally nothing but correctable implications, it probably isn't worth replying to, risking derailing the thread. The truth remains that it would be extremely difficult to make any sort of holster "aggressive." Idiot prosecutor's opinion doesn't shape the truth.

solus · Dec 14, 2015

stealthyeliminator said:
I was one of the first to suggest that public employees may make it out to be something it isn't. When posts like solus' contain literally nothing but correctable implications, it probably isn't worth replying to, risking derailing the thread. The truth remains that it would be extremely difficult to make any sort of holster "aggressive." Idiot prosecutor's opinion doesn't shape the truth.

the prosecutor shouldn't worry the OC'g citizens...the nice LEs enforcing the law should!!

Texas has a brand new law (not one iota of test law against it) on the books mandating a privilege card to OC coupled with another law giving 'permission' to each and every nice LEs to check that privilege card whenever they SEE a hand gun carried either on a citizen's side or under their armpit.

get on your soap box and say it won't happen, or the individual hassled will be rich...but the truth remains...

you will not beat hassle, the ride, nor unless the individual has $$$ to pursue the issue, won't collect a bloody cent!

your delusional if you truly believe the streets, businesses, etc., will be crowded with Lonestar citizens bumping into each other!!

as you stated...this prob isn't worth replying to...

ipse

qednick · Dec 14, 2015

solus said:
... coupled with another law giving 'permission' to each and every nice LEs to check that privilege card whenever they SEE a hand gun carried either on a citizen's side or under their armpit.
...

Did they actually make that a "law"? I thought they turned into crybabies with that amendment prohibiting them from doing so. By removing the amendment to appease the LEO community doesn't give them an automatic right to stop and ID people--despite what they and the media says.

solus · Dec 14, 2015

qednick said:
Did they actually make that a "law"? I thought they turned into crybabies with that amendment prohibiting them from doing so. By removing the amendment to appease the LEO community doesn't give them an automatic right to stop and ID people--despite what they and the media says.

sorry, no it was not part of the new package but rather has been on the books and the legislature tried to take it out and gaggle pitched a bunch of straw and it didn't get taken out when the wash was put through the wringer.

hold up your signage saying that so the nice Texas LEs will know they do not have the right to do that...??

there was a thread out here where a member posted something from the Texas LE site saying the nice LE's were looking forward to the opportunity...

ipse

qednick · Dec 14, 2015

solus said:
sorry, no it was not part of the new package but rather has been on the books and the legislature tried to take it out and gaggle pitched a bunch of straw and it didn't get taken out when the wash was put through the wringer.

hold up your signage saying that so the nice Texas LEs will know they do not have the right to do that...??

there was a thread out here where a member posted something from the Texas LE site saying the nice LE's were looking forward to the opportunity...

ipse

This article about sums it up:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...-a-texas-open-carrier-to-check-for-a-license/

Clear as mud I suppose. But really no different than any other OC state in the union.

solus · Dec 14, 2015

qednick said:
This article about sums it up:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...-a-texas-open-carrier-to-check-for-a-license/

Clear as mud I suppose. But really no different than any other OC state in the union.

uh, no...sorry to disappoint, but...

NC, and other states, do not have any type of privilege card attached to the OC'g of our firearms. therefore there is none, zippo, nada, absolutely no conceivable rational whatsoever for the nice LEs to stop any of our citizens asking for papers about the firearm we are carrying in the normal course of our daily activities.

Texas' citizens didn't even get kissed or offered dinner for this one!!!

ipse

marshaul · Dec 14, 2015

Yeah, I still don't have any "permits" in any state.

Doesn't mean I won't visit Texas again. Does mean I'm less likely to.

The Truth · Dec 14, 2015

solus said:
uh, no...sorry to disappoint, but...

NC, and other states, do not have any type of privilege card attached to the OC'g of our firearms. therefore there is none, zippo, nada, absolutely no conceivable rational whatsoever for the nice LEs to stop any of our citizens asking for papers about the firearm we are carrying in the normal course of our daily activities.

Texas' citizens didn't even get kissed or offered dinner for this one!!!

ipse

Luckily down here in the 4th circuit we have Black v. US. Other states/circuits are not so lucky. It doesn't really matter anyway though, since we don't need a permit to OC.

HPmatt · Dec 14, 2015

I think cops will get tired of hassling folks - voters - and their calls to their state reps and town councilmen...

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Glockster · Dec 14, 2015

qednick said:
Did they actually make that a "law"? I thought they turned into crybabies with that amendment prohibiting them from doing so. By removing the amendment to appease the LEO community doesn't give them an automatic right to stop and ID people--despite what they and the media says.

Sorta correct. Actually the amendment was removed because the Governor said he would not sign the bill unless it was removed. Me tinks it was as much about not wanting to take that particular hill as it may have been about appeasing LE.

solus · Dec 14, 2015

HPmatt said:
I think cops will get tired of hassling folks - voters - and their calls to their state reps and town councilmen...

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darn i'm not allowed to tell you to go visit....

ipse

nonameisgood · Dec 14, 2015

solus said:
darn i'm not allowed to tell you to go visit....

ipse

He already lives here.

We will all see how it shakes out in a couple of weeks. I'll be OCing except at work (a polite lie to keep clients happy) so I guess I'll know soon enough.
Let's try to get along and work in the next session to fix it.

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Jeep.Wrangler · Dec 15, 2015

solus said:
well, tom...

if you will likely never OC...anyways...

why on earth would you tread on an OC forum to espouse your brand of truth?

or are you just messing with the hogs a bit?

ipse

Well while I likely will not, it does leave the possibility, plus, I do care. I am happy that Texas passed it. Just because I am not likely to do something does not mean I don't care about the struggle or that there won't come a situation where I may. I think even those they won't or likely won't should be right there in the middle helping or just discussing. I would love to see Texas in a few years go "constitutional carry". Besides, it's better to be in the know than blind. You guys rock hopefully I will find time to be more active.

Jeep.Wrangler · Dec 15, 2015

stealthyeliminator said:
Who cares if he OCs or not. He came for information in the event he decides to OC. No problem.

I'm more concerned with the describing certain holsters as "aggressive" than anything else - including the element of surprise misconception. I'm not sure a holster can really be aggressive, I think that holstering in and of itself is a pretty non-aggressive act. But I doubt he meant any harm by any of it.

Tom, please don't take offense to the apparent barrage, people tend to be a bit pedantic, etc. around here... It is for good reason and isn't personal.

It's all good brother. I take offense to nothing. And you and I may not see something as aggressive, there are plenty of idiots out there that will see certain types of holsters as more aggressive. It's going to be interesting.

Jeep.Wrangler · Dec 15, 2015

Glockster said:
Sorta correct. Actually the amendment was removed because the Governor said he would not sign the bill unless it was removed. Me tinks it was as much about not wanting to take that particular hill as it may have been about appeasing LE.

Please don't take this as me saying you are wrong, but my understanding Isuzu are wrong in that statement. The senate and house bills had slightly different wordings in this part of the bill. In order to keep it in, one of two things had to happen. One, pick the one they wanted since they both said the same thing and start the voting back over or have some special committee (I don't remember the exact wording but I can easily find the article if I need to site my material) that would deal with it and both of these options had the possibility of not getting done in time so it was left out and will be revisited next session. I never saw anything that stated the govoner would not sign it. He already made the promise that if an open carry bill made it to his desk and would sign it with in 24 hours of it reaching him. I believe if he wouldn't have, he wouldn't be re elected when the next election came around as he ran on honosty and integrity and breaking his word on a major issue would have been t his down fall. Just my opinion.

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