357SigFan
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Interesting development: http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168...tail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/
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Michael Brown unarmed shooting in Ferguson, MO
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marshaul
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No, and the rest of your post is one giant straw man.
I'm absolutely and unequivocally demanding a double standard. There is unquestionably a double standard with regard to the amount of authority possessed by LEOs, the credence assigned to them by prosecutors and judges (not to mention the juries that actually get, in practice, empaneled), the amount of force they bring with them "into the field" and the latitude with which they are permitted to employ that force in the name of "public safety" and "officer safety".
So it's entirely appropriate that there be a double standard with regard to the evidentiary onus placed upon LEOs who cause harm to citizens (or their property, for that matter). It is entirely within the financial and technological abilities of every police department in the US to equip every officer and every vehicle with multiple and independent recording systems, and it is entirely reasonable for us to assume that departments who fail to do so are abusing their authority and, most likely, lying to us.
If you willfully destroyed or falsified records you were required to keep which would prove or disprove some act of fraud (say) of which you had been accused, this act of tampering would be considered (should it come to light) basically proof of your fraudulent deception, in civil proceedings. Same thing.
Only I'm not proposing a thing about the standard applied to private citizens, because of the aforementioned (and totally preexisting) double standard.
It's not an "assessment". The whole point of the word "unarmed" is that it means "not carrying weapons like knives or guns". The word "human" describes the concept you're referring to: that we all have hands and feet which can be used to kill.
My dictionary:
unarmed |ˌənˈärmd|
adjective
not equipped with or carrying weapons: he was shooting unarmed civilians.
Otherwise "disarm" would mean chopping off someone's hands and feet.
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357SigFan
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If you say so. When I read your posts, I see 100% cop bashing, all cops are 100% wrong, always lie and are generally pieces of trash. Double standards are just fine when they don't apply to us
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It is a FACT that the cop who shot Brown was unaware of his alleged involvement in the robbery of the convenience store. The police chief himself has clarified this. I could post a cite, but this has been reported by almost every news source I can find. This honestly makes no sense to me. I would think there would be radio chatter about a robbery in the area.
That being said, Brown didn't know that the cop didn't know...
I am laughing out loud at the people saying "...he was armed. His feet and hands are considered weapons."
I guess one can simply make up definitions on a whim to support opinion, eh?
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357SigFan
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So if I were to start punching and/or kicking you, you're just going to sit back and take it saying 'oh, it's only his hands and feet. They're not weapons, so he's not a threat. He can't kill me'? I didn't think so. A good punch to the head to KO you (Or just disorient you enough to get you on the ground), and a good kick to the head once you're down and you're DEAD. Two blows. Most people would only consider knives & guns to be weapons. Like it or not, hands and feet ARE weapons, as is just about anything not nailed down. Go ahead and keep discounting hands and feet (and the mind, as well) as weapons if it makes you feel better.
davidmcbeth
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Wasn't there a recent case where a guy shot another who punched him and the shooter was convicted?
waskel
Regular Member
And yet more information...
A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer
A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer
Not sure about Ferguson, but In Ft. Myers FL when I was slinging slurpee's in my youth, the cops NEVER investigated a theft. You called them, they gave you a case number, you put it on the cash report at the end of your shift.
Only time they were ever involved in a theft is when one dum bass ran out the door as the popo was turning in the parking lot for coffee. Caught his buddies next door waiting for him to get beer.
Biggest difference only one of the thefts I saw was an adult involved, the rest were kids to young to buy beer stealing it.
Only time they were ever involved in a theft is when one dum bass ran out the door as the popo was turning in the parking lot for coffee. Caught his buddies next door waiting for him to get beer.
Biggest difference only one of the thefts I saw was an adult involved, the rest were kids to young to buy beer stealing it.
A rush to judgement is never the best course. I'm waiting for considerably more detail, confirmation of facts.
Primus
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Wait.. Hold on....
"He chased the boy down after the first shot and finished him off"?
Really?
CITE?
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Firearms Iinstuctor
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No No Primus here's up really happen.
Mr. Brown and his friend were peacefully walking down the street obeying every law on the books after having a friendly conversation with the store clerk at the QT.
Officer Wilson rudely intruded into their personal space . First by rudely yelling at them the assaulting Mr. Brown by pulling him into the cruiser by the neck beating on him while doing so.
Mr. Brown only hit officer Wilson in self defense as the first blows to officer Wilson didn't work. Mr. Brown tried disarming Officer Wilson for the officers own protection. In the process was accidently shot for his trouble.
Officer Wilson then knowing he had to cover up is unlawful assault on Mr. Brown followed Mr. Brown down the street shooting him in the back while Mr. Browns hands were up in the air.
After Mr. Brown fell to his knees begging for his life Officer Wilson fired several more shots to make sure Mr. Brown could not testify against him for the unlawful assault.
And that's the TRUTH ////S
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Primus
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Oh ok thank you sir. Thanks for the clarification that sounds much more accurate because that's what's police do everyday.....
Sarcasm off. But a serious thank you for making me realize I wasn't crazy when I read that stupid statement.
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Firearms Iinstuctor
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I glad that I could clarify the situation for you and offer up a more truthful story then all the rest I have read on the inter net and heard on the news reports.
I now know why my head hurts - it's from using my monitor to facepalm
Just in -
Holder authorizes second autopsy on Michael Brown
President Barack Obama ordered the FBI and Department of Justice to investigation the shooting last week.
Obama is in the middle of a two-week vacation on Martha's Vineyard, but he has been briefed repeatedly on the investigation and protests in Ferguson.
http://www.nbc12.com/story/26300162/holder-authorizes-second-autopsy-on-michael-brown
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Firearms Iinstuctor
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I now know why my head hurts - it's from using my monitor to facepalm
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Sorry to cause you the extra pain take two aspirin and call me in the morning.
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Bikenut
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The world is going up in flames and Obama is worried about one... ONE!... shooting in the U.S.?
Oh wait... I understand... it isn't the shooting that he and his minions are worried about... it is the flare up of scrutiny on the militarization of the police because of the shooting that concerns Obama and his ilk. Can't have the build up of the domestic security force threatened ya know.....
http://www.americanthinker.com/vide...a_wants_civilian_national_security_force.html
November 20, 2012
[h=1]Flashback: Obama Wants 'Civilian National Security Force' That's As Powerful and Well-Funded as the Military[/h]
Oh wait... I understand... it isn't the shooting that he and his minions are worried about... it is the flare up of scrutiny on the militarization of the police because of the shooting that concerns Obama and his ilk. Can't have the build up of the domestic security force threatened ya know.....
http://www.americanthinker.com/vide...a_wants_civilian_national_security_force.html
November 20, 2012
[h=1]Flashback: Obama Wants 'Civilian National Security Force' That's As Powerful and Well-Funded as the Military[/h]
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
YES! By witness accounts and the FACTS on the scene he chased the boy! There is no doubt that the first shot was fired from INSIDE the squad car, yet the boy was finished off THIRTY FIVE FEET from the first shot. It is pretty clear that they did not stroll hand in hand for thirty five feet, and that Mike was not chasing the officer after being shot.
A little common sense goes along way, too bad the police officer possessed none. At the very least this guy should be fired for being so incredibly STUPID!
countryclubjoe
Regular Member
If the idiot only gets fired, that would be a major injustice to citizens everywhere.. Prolonged jail time is needed for this murder.
Anything less is an injustice to citizens across the country. If no jail time is handed down in this case, then LEO will have a license to kill.
This incident was murder plain and simple..
My .02
Regards
CCJ
wittmeba
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This thread has been educational. I hope it does not become a he said/she said battle between the members.
I did hear on a discussion channel last night (Sat - don't recall which one) from a defense attorney (I believe) that the family is making two particular mistakes.
His response was you will not see anything happen immediately. Too much information, videos, recordings, timelines, personal hearings, witness interviews, etc to filter through.
The better part to me is "justice". I think we all know the only thing they would consider "justice" and that may not be the right answer.
In conjunction with my post #147, in a way I don't blame them. A peaceful demonstration would convey the same message, but too many innocent are being affected - the entire town suffers from this protest.
I did hear on a discussion channel last night (Sat - don't recall which one) from a defense attorney (I believe) that the family is making two particular mistakes.
1. They are demanding justice
2. They are demanding justice now.
2. They are demanding justice now.
His response was you will not see anything happen immediately. Too much information, videos, recordings, timelines, personal hearings, witness interviews, etc to filter through.
The better part to me is "justice". I think we all know the only thing they would consider "justice" and that may not be the right answer.
In conjunction with my post #147, in a way I don't blame them. A peaceful demonstration would convey the same message, but too many innocent are being affected - the entire town suffers from this protest.
OC for ME
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Hands are not weapons under Missouri statue.
Chapter definitions. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5630000011.HTM
Use of force in defense of persons. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5630000031.HTM
Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5630000046.HTM
The cop will have his day in court, as will the family. The law is very clear and the cop could use force it now becomes a question of whether or not deadly force was a reasonable response in that situation. I contend that it was not based only on what we know today.
Chapter definitions. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5630000011.HTM
Use of force in defense of persons. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5630000031.HTM
Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5630000046.HTM
The cop will have his day in court, as will the family. The law is very clear and the cop could use force it now becomes a question of whether or not deadly force was a reasonable response in that situation. I contend that it was not based only on what we know today.
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