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Tomahawk wrote:
Okay, so I emailed the guy myself last night and explained to him about Virginia and its laws, and about our activism, and about our practical reasons for open carrying. I also invited him to come to a VCDL meeting next time he's in DC. I got back a very nice reply. He gave mea link to some website that doesn't convince me, but he was not being snarky.
So I'm not so ready to hang the guy. I think opinions are based on what you guess and what you hear, and he's never heard the good side of OC.
As a general rule, I think it's inappropriate to post email exchanged with someone, but an exception needs to be made on this topic. I asked him about supporting evidence, and he decided to show his true colors. I'd hate to think that people actually think this guy in some way supports the rights or freedoms of others.
The subject of my email was "Open Carry".
He changed the subject of his reply to "Les, I should write more slowly for IQs like yours..."
This is the exchange I had with him:
>> You provided no actual evidence that someone who open carrys is in more danger or has actually been injured more often because they were open carrying.
Les,
That is pure stupidity. I have brain cells. I don’t need, for example, a survey to know that if I walk into a dark alley at 3:00 AM that I’m in FAR more danger than if I stay in my home.
And I don’t need a survey to know how attackers attack. They don’t walk into a bank or restaurant without casing the place first, at LEAST they look around a bit before they make their intentions know... Ever watch convenience store robbery videos that are all over the Cop TV shows? The thug walks in meekly looking around to see where and if there is danger and to decide what to do first.. If you have a gun on your waist they are going to DO YOU FIRST.
They aren’t just going to assume:
WELL, Les has a gun but that doesn’t necessarily pose more danger to our robbery than any of these other patrons...
NO, the criminal is smarter than that (and obviously he is far smarter than you). He will mark you as his first shot. That is common sense.
Les, wouldn’t it be far easier for you to wear a bulls-eye painted on your back than to carry around a holstered gun? That way, when you’re shot, at least your gun won’t fall into the hands of the bad guy.
Sincerely offered,
Greg Perry
P.S. In addition I need not provide evidence for every common sense statement I make or else I’d be drowning my readers in fluff and they’d never learn principles. If you want support... let me re-phrase that, for the support THAT MIGHT SAVE YOUR IGNORANT LIFE SOME DAY, here it is:
http://www.warriortalknews.com/
(In case the article is replaced by the time you read it, I copied it below)
(You can thank me now instead of later for saving you from a death brought on by stupidity.)
(Yes, Les, I’m being far too blunt, unfair, and UNKIND to you... but this is a life and death situation and it’s dumb statements like the one you made that gets too many good people slaughtered because they actually follow such reasoning as yours... and you should wise up fast also, for your own family’s sake)
HOW TO TELL WHO IS ARMED - AND HOW TO HIDE IT WHEN YOU ARE [size=
]It is important that you have your gun with you all the time. For some of us, it feels strange to not have a gun so keeping one handy is normal. We have seen recently the importance and life-saving reasons to have a gun with you even in places that may frown on the notion, as well as the lefe-ending penalty for not having one recently. In Omaha, there were no armed citizens in place to stop the killer. In Colorado, there was.
The lesson is this.
ONLY YOU CAN INSURE YOUR SAFETY. Carry your gun!! With that, hiding the gun will allow you take it everywhere short of an airplane, or a truly denied area protected by magnetometers and such. Many emails have come in on how to hide the gun, and just as important, how not to be "made".
Some things I have seen which will help you notice who is armed around you as well as to hide the fact that you are armed...when you don't want anyone to know it . Bad guys are not as easily spotted as the "good guys". I have not based my studies solely on what the good guys do, but rather have studied what the bad guys do as well...and some things they have thought out better than the good guys. [size=
]Good guys are usually trained or told how to carry their guns and also tend to conceal along very conventional means. An example would be the predominance of "Traditional Strong Side Holster" carry as promoted by various academies and competition venues around the nation. Guys will carry that way and then seek a way to hide the fact they are carrying. The focus however is to carry IN THAT LOCATION no matter what[size=
]Bad guys are not schooled in these "academies of higher skill-at-arms" so nobody told them they were doing it wrong. Subsequently, it is harder to spot them because they are
really trying to hide their guns. A secondary concern with bad guys is the ability to divorce themselves from the gun if confronted by the police so a holster is simply an inconvenient hindrance. While I do not agree with this concept, I see why they do it and their need to do so.[size=
]Bad guys also tend to have a fashion of sorts, just like cops and CCW people do. The bad guy fashions make it easier to hide a weapon in their baggy clothes and informal dress style. There is always a compromise between concealment and accessibility. The deeper the concealment the harder it is to get into action. If concealment is not a big deal to you, then its not a big deal, but if it is, read on.[size=
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Things that give good guys away.[size=
]1). Gun fashions - 5.11 means you are either an off duty cop or a civilian carrying a gun. Same goes for gun vests and other things that once served as good concealment. If you want to learn how NOT to dress, stand outside a police locker room at shift change, or peruse the ads in gun magazines.[size=
]2). Gun belts. Unless you are using a closed-front cover such as a sweatshirt, belts like the typical police black basket-weave, or the Wilderness belts, proclaim to everyone what you are. If you will wear the belt in a way that is visible, at least get something other than black.[size=
]3). Wearing range holsters on the street. I see this a great deal here in NorthernAZ due to certain academic influences in the area. Big leather or Kydex holsters that work great to pass a shooting test or demo a fast El Presidente from open carry to a group of students, look like big leather or kydex holsters under a vest or a shirt, when you try to conceal them. [size=
]4). Carrying the gun in an inappropriate place. Because of the material written about gun work in America, some people believe the only proper place to carry a gun is on the 3:00 position on the “strong side”. While this may be the best place at a gun school, it doesn’t necessarily follow to be the best place on the street for accessing or hiding the gun. I had one student who weighed in at 300 pounds. He could not even get his hand on the gun where his original instructors told him to put it![size=
]Bad guys carry on the fronts of their bodies. Good guys carry on the back of their bodies. We might conduct a study about why this is, but I have seen it too many times to dismiss as coincidental. The best place for accessibility, concealment, and protection is Appendix Inside Waistband Carry. This is also banned from use at most gun schools (ours a notable exception), police academies, and in competitive circles. Hmmm.[size=
]5). Carrying an inappropriate sized gun. You know the folks that advocate the everyone carry the XYZ Special Ninja Service pistol, don’t you? Well some people can’t. Period. A Keltec in the pocket, totally unseen and unnoticed, but ready, is worth twenty CQB Navy Seal SOCOM Specials left behind in the gun safe.[size=
]6). Fanny packs. Specially big oversized black ones that say Glock, or whatever. Everyone…even the village idiot, knows what is in there so don’t try to convince yourself that you are hiding anything. You may be "legally concealed" but not really concealed. I wear one of these when I am running, but otherwise, I do not. Let me put it this way…a 2” 38 revolver in your pocket is worth ten times more than your 1911 or Glock in a fanny pack.[size=
]7). Combination of the above – combine a black fanny pack with a basket weave black belt, and a Second Amendment Foundation Hat and someone would have to unconscious or blind to not think you were armed.[size=
]8). Self consciousness. People who are carrying for the first time…or uncomfortable with carrying tend to be very gun sensitive. They constantly check and adjust and walk with a strange gait, constantly looking for someone looking at them. That is noticeable to those who are looking.
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