what would you do?

[Nutczak]

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Ok, since we are tossing different scenarios into the mix, think about this incident (true Story)

You and the wife are out on Superbowl Sunday after the game is over, you are in a 4WD truckto go get some food at a restaurant, the roads are snow covered and slippery, it is dark, and it is about 7-8 degrees outside. Since you are a prepared person you have winter survival supplies with you including tow-straps, blankets, food, and fire making supplies extra gloves & hats,and your drive a truck that is very capable to help extract people that may have slid off the road.

Along the way you see a minivan off the road with a person standing in the middle of the road waving their hands over their head trying to get your attention. You stop about 10 yds short, turn on your hazard lights, flick on thehighbeams and accessory fog-light to light up the scene, then youget out of the vehicle with a large Maglite flashlight to see what is happening and if you can help this person.

After exiting your vehicle, you see 2 other people fighting on the other side of the van that you did not see when you pulled up, one of the combatants sees you, and approaches you while swearing and threatening to kick your ass.
The smell of alcohol is so strong you wonder how they can even stand upright. This single person starts swinging at you and screaming, and the other people at the scene do nothing to try and stop this person fromattacking you.
Without havingthe legal means to carry a firearm on your person or in your vehicle that is readily accessible, (Wisconsin) what would you do?

Remember you have one unknown person already attacking you, you are prohibited by law from having a firearm on you, your wife is still in the truck, and 3 other unknown people are standing around just watching this person come after you and doing nothing to try and stop the attack.

Then I'll tell you what I did when this exact incident happened to me less than 1 yearago, and my interaction with the police after the event.

 

[lonewolf2810]

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From the way you stated there was a the smell of alcohol. I am armed with only a mag lite so the subject would have to get to me and him drunk he would get the flashlight all over the head and me back to the truck. Now you did not say any of them having any weapons so I hope I did the right thing. Besides I hope my wife would be calling the police on a cell phone and when I get to the truck I am out of there. Then I move to a State where I can carry a gun.

I can't wait to hear your story.

 

[simmonsjoe]

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Nutczak wrote:

Ok, since we are tossing different scenarios into the mix, think about this incident (true Story)

You and the wife are out on Superbowl Sunday after the game is over, you are in a 4WD truckto go get some food at a restaurant, the roads are snow covered and slippery, it is dark, and it is about 7-8 degrees outside. Since you are a prepared person you have winter survival supplies with you including tow-straps, blankets, food, and fire making supplies extra gloves & hats,and your drive a truck that is very capable to help extract people that may have slid off the road.

Along the way you see a minivan off the road with a person standing in the middle of the road waving their hands over their head trying to get your attention. You stop about 10 yds short, turn on your hazard lights, flick on thehighbeams and accessory fog-light to light up the scene, then youget out of the vehicle with a large Maglite flashlight to see what is happening and if you can help this person.

After exiting your vehicle, you see 2 other people fighting on the other side of the van that you did not see when you pulled up, one of the combatants sees you, and approaches you while swearing and threatening to kick your ass.
The smell of alcohol is so strong you wonder how they can even stand upright. This single person starts swinging at you and screaming, and the other people at the scene do nothing to try and stop this person fromattacking you.
Without havingthe legal means to carry a firearm on your person or in your vehicle that is readily accessible, (Wisconsin) what would you do?

Remember you have one unknown person already attacking you, you are prohibited by law from having a firearm on you, your wife is still in the truck, and 3 other unknown people are standing around just watching this person come after you and doing nothing to try and stop the attack.

Then I'll tell you what I did when this exact incident happened to me less than 1 yearago, and my interaction with the police after the event.

Attempt to retreat to your vehicle and if he doesn't let you SMACK THE SNOT out of his skull with your MAGLITE.

 

[ODA 226]

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lonewolf2810 wrote:

I can say this he is one lucky so called bad guy lol. He is lucky that one of the skateboarders did not take the gun and pop a cap in him and his buddy. The ass whipping is the best thing that happen to them. They just thought they were BA's.

But the 90 degree gun-to-cheek angle and pinky extention earned him 93 "style-points"! LOL!

 

[lonewolf2810]

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Now you sure are being generous with the points lol

I think he should have shoved it in his ear and said shoot now.

 

[simmonsjoe]

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Sabotage70 wrote:

I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but here is another video. This one has to do with knowing what had transpired before you happened upon the scene. At the end of the video it appears that the wrong guy is being held back.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=777_1248976373&p=1



I personally wish the "gangsta" would have gotten his teeth bashed in by the skateboard. And maybe a few broken ribs thrown in for good measure.

Good one! Go skaters.

 

[zack991]

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It angers me when I hear about a person getting beat, killed or raped with an audience or people who see it and do nothing, The thought of that being me makes me sick.

 

[simmonsjoe]

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zack991 wrote:

It angers me when I hear about a person getting beat, killed or raped with an audience or people who see it and do nothing, The thought of that being me makes me sick.

the good guy won. some thug pulled a revolver and was threatening the skater with it. the skater saw his chance and disarmed the thug and beat the shat out of him. The thug never stopped struggling so its simply in an effort to detain him.

 

[Grapeshot]

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zack991 wrote:

It angers me when I hear about a person getting beat, killed or raped with an audience or people who see it and do nothing, The thought of that being me makes me sick.

The thought of that is incomprehensible to me.

When good people do nothing............:banghead:

Yata hey

 

[Nutczak]

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Well, here is how I handled the situation.

Each time the drunk came it me, they took a hit from the maglite. But never a strike to the face or head sinceI was in a defensive position against an attacker that was at a serious disadvantage from alcohol consumption. I was also concerned about the others coming to his aid if I went on the offensive.
At one point when the attacker was laying on the ground, I called 911, it turns out the wife (GF actually, but might as well be married to her) had already hit the emergency button for the "OnStar" system and had the county sheriff dispatcher and the OnStar person online and our location determined.

I was trying to avoid going near my truck, I did not need that to get damaged in this incident too. Once I had the county dispatcher on the line, I put the phone in Speaker Mode and put it in my pocket so I had both hands available again. The others at the scene finally grabbed their drunk friend, apologized to me for his behavior, drug him to their van, and drove off. It turns out they were not stuck, they had stopped because the fight broke out on the vehicle and spilled onto the road and ditch. They drove off, I wrote down the tag number and waited for 10-15 minutes for a cop from a nearby jurisdiction to show up.
The cop said he saw the vehicle pass him, and hehas another unit in pursuit of it. They followed the vehicle to the hospital. I gave him a brief statement about being flagged down, attacked, and the group left the scene after apologizing for their drunk firend.
That was it, no other details. I asked if I was needed for anything else and that we were en-route to dinner when this happened and Igave him my cell# in case he needed to contact us. I was left to go about my business.

An hour later I get a call from a different cop, he tells me I need to meet him at the hospital, I decline and say "these idiots screwed up our night enough already, I am not going to let them inconvenience us anymore than they already have.
Fast forward 30 minutes and I have 4 cops at the restaurant, they wanted to take me outside to talk, I declined and said "Look, I am not going outside in the freezing weather, we can talk right here"
They asked what happened, I said "I already told the first guy on the scene, you need to talk to him. And the youngest cop of the bunch says "So why didn't you tell officer whatshisname about you hitting this guy with a flashlight, Are you aware they are being treated in intensive care because of you?" As he was fumbling with the handcuffs on his belt.
I looked him right in the eyes and said "this conversation is over, have a safe evening, the roads are slippery and there are many drunks on the road tonight, please be careful out there." Then I turned and walked away to sit down at our table.
That was the last of the incident until 2 weeks later whenI received a letter from the DA stating that I will not be charged with aggravated battery. This pissed me off big time! I am attacked, forced to defend myself, and A cop wants to charge me with a crime becuase of someone elses actions! I had a few words with the DA and he explained why I was not being charged due to it being self-defense.
Then about a month later, I was shopping in a walgreens and saw the cop that met me at the originalscene. We spoke briefly, I asked what was with the BS about one of the others wanting to charge me with Ag-bat, and he told me that it was just that one cop, the others involved saw it as self-defense. He also mentioned that the cop that filed the complaint against me was educated by the DA on self-defense laws a little better.

 

[simmonsjoe]

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Nutczak wrote:

Well, here is how I handled the situation.

Each time the drunk came it me, they took a hit from the maglite. But never a strike to the face or head sinceI was in a defensive position against an attacker that was at a serious disadvantage from alcohol consumption. I was also concerned about the others coming to his aid if I went on the offensive.
At one point when the attacker was laying on the ground, I called 911, it turns out the wife (GF actually, but might as well be married to her) had already hit the emergency button for the "OnStar" system and had the county sheriff dispatcher and the OnStar person online and our location determined.

I was trying to avoid going near my truck, I did not need that to get damaged in this incident too. Once I had the county dispatcher on the line, I put the phone in Speaker Mode and put it in my pocket so I had both hands available again. The others at the scene finally grabbed their drunk friend, apologized to me for his behavior, drug him to their van, and drove off. It turns out they were not stuck, they had stopped because the fight broke out on the vehicle and spilled onto the road and ditch. They drove off, I wrote down the tag number and waited for 10-15 minutes for a cop from a nearby jurisdiction to show up.
The cop said he saw the vehicle pass him, and hehas another unit in pursuit of it. They followed the vehicle to the hospital. I gave him a brief statement about being flagged down, attacked, and the group left the scene after apologizing for their drunk firend.
That was it, no other details. I asked if I was needed for anything else and that we were en-route to dinner when this happened and Igave him my cell# in case he needed to contact us. I was left to go about my business.

An hour later I get a call from a different cop, he tells me I need to meet him at the hospital, I decline and say "these idiots screwed up our night enough already, I am not going to let them inconvenience us anymore than they already have.
Fast forward 30 minutes and I have 4 cops at the restaurant, they wanted to take me outside to talk, I declined and said "Look, I am not going outside in the freezing weather, we can talk right here"
They asked what happened, I said "I already told the first guy on the scene, you need to talk to him. And the youngest cop of the bunch says "So why didn't you tell officer whatshisname about you hitting this guy with a flashlight, Are you aware they are being treated in intensive care because of you?" As he was fumbling with the handcuffs on his belt.
I looked him right in the eyes and said "this conversation is over, have a safe evening, the roads are slippery and there are many drunks on the road tonight, please be careful out there." Then I turned and walked away to sit down at our table.
That was the last of the incident until 2 weeks later whenI received a letter from the DA stating that I will not be charged with aggravated battery. This pissed me off big time! I am attacked, forced to defend myself, and A cop wants to charge me with a crime becuase of someone elses actions! I had a few words with the DA and he explained why I was not being charged due to it being self-defense.
Then about a month later, I was shopping in a walgreens and saw the cop that met me at the originalscene. We spoke briefly, I asked what was with the BS about one of the others wanting to charge me with Ag-bat, and he told me that it was just that one cop, the others involved saw it as self-defense. He also mentioned that the cop that filed the complaint against me was educated by the DA on self-defense laws a little better.

good job

 

[lonewolf2810]

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Like I said in my first post to this. Once taken care of I move to where the average citizen can protect him/her self. But that is me.

 

[zack991]

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lonewolf2810 wrote:

Like I said in my first post to this. Once taken care of I move to where the average citizen can protect him/her self. But that is me.

I made a similar comment on another gun forum site and I was called a cut and runner because I left CA to better my family's financing with less taxes and their safety with less restrictive gun control. The individual got pissed because instead of suffering through the mess and fighting the good fight in CA, I left CA to fight the good fight from a more pro gun state. He took the CA joke/bashing their stupidity very personal. I guess it did not help when I used the phrase I won't miss CA when it falls into the sea. In a figurative way and not the physical way.

 

[Hawkflyer]

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There are a lot of people in this country jumping up and down hoping the San Andreas fault will snap and let it float away.:banghead:

 

[NY2AZ]

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I would love to say that I would, however, at the moment I don't feel as though I'm trained enough, nor comfortable do I feel comfortable trying to save someones life with my firearm. I would want to get a bit more training before I say yes. However, if my wife or any other loved one is in danger, I would not think twice.

 

[NY2AZ]

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zack991 wrote:

lonewolf2810 wrote:

Like I said in my first post to this. Once taken care of I move to where the average citizen can protect him/her self. But that is me.

I made a similar comment on another gun forum site and I was called a cut and runner because I left CA to better my family's financing with less taxes and their safety with less restrictive gun control. The individual got pissed because instead of suffering through the mess and fighting the good fight in CA, I left CA to fight the good fight from a more pro gun state. He took the CA joke/bashing their stupidity very personal. I guess it did not help when I used the phrase I won't miss CA when it falls into the sea. In a figurative way and not the physical way.

It's alright. I left New York for the same reasons. :celebrate

 

[simmonsjoe]

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NY2AZ wrote:

zack991 wrote:

lonewolf2810 wrote:

Like I said in my first post to this. Once taken care of I move to where the average citizen can protect him/her self. But that is me.

I made a similar comment on another gun forum site and I was called a cut and runner because I left CA to better my family's financing with less taxes and their safety with less restrictive gun control. The individual got pissed because instead of suffering through the mess and fighting the good fight in CA, I left CA to fight the good fight from a more pro gun state. He took the CA joke/bashing their stupidity very personal. I guess it did not help when I used the phrase I won't miss CA when it falls into the sea. In a figurative way and not the physical way.

It's alright. I left New York for the same reasons. :celebrate

Your first responsibility is your family. If you feel moving is more prudent than activism alone anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

 

[McX]

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interesting video. i guess it is true; the number of teeth in their head does correlate to level of intelligence!

 

[Seniordep2010]

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I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I watched someone be murdered right infront of me and I didn't try to do anything about it. So if I was armed, whether it be a gun, a knife or whatever, I would do the best I could to save an innocent life. And if I can't get to the victim quick enough you bet your last dollar that that POS murderer is gonna eat some major lead.

But if I'm ever in a situation like that I pray to God that I'll be able to act quick enough and save that life.

You guy and gals should go to youtube and look up nutnfancy's "sheepdog concept" and "close to engage" as well as all his other videos. Most are gun reviews and fun videos, but some are more serious and he talks about engaging the assailant and risking your life in an attempt to saveothers.

 

[desert-prospector]

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Had to vote yes on this one, cause I've already been there. Justified shooting, never made the paper.