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Vote on SB 11, Campus Carry, Coming up next in Texas House 26 May, 2015

jc79

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This bill is a big yawn if schools can opt out if their board of regents want to. 2/3 will be easy. You don't get on the board of regents unless you're anti gun. Moving on.
What I hate is that all the opponents keep quoting police chiefs, campus security and university presidents.....but no one quotes the individual student. Rights belong to the individual and shouldn't be something that can be voted away. None of these governing bodies truly represent the people....I never voted for my college deans or president, these were elected by a faceless private board of directors. Sometimes it feels like it is Lords vs. Plebs.
 
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nonameisgood

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With a midnight deadline, 11 pm seemed like a good time to take a break? This way they can all just shrug and say "we ran out of time."
Doesn't bode well for timely concurrence on open carry by the House, although that deadline is not as close.

Interesting how the argument is that the staff/employees/teachers need to be protected from people carrying guns, when the bill's strategy is to allow the nurses/teachers/staff protect themselves. As though the tragic events we have seen were prevented by prohibiting guns. Why do people think that pointing to these examples of the failure of the prohibitions strengthens the reason to continue the old policies. Blind spots caused by fear?
 

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http://m.chron.com/about/article/House-passes-campus-carry-6288148.php


Rep. Trey Martinez Fischer, D-San Antonio, who tried to kill the bill through a number of procedural maneuvers, said he believes there was still a good chance to defeat the legislation.

"This is not over 'til it's over. The notion that we could take an entire day and fight campus carry until 11:35, 11:40 at night, it's a significant accomplishment, to know there are negotiated changes to make this proposition much more difficult to become a legislative reality," Martinez Fischer said.

The bill now heads back to the Senate, which is not expected to agree with the changes made to its legislation. This would push the bill to a conference committee to iron out the chambers' differences, where opponents of the legislation expect there could be deadlock.

If a majority of the conference committee members from both chambers cannot come to an agreement on the bill, it will not become law.
 

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This can only happen wih the direct collusion of Speaker Straus

http://m.chron.com/about/article/House-passes-campus-carry-6288148.php


Rep. Trey Martinez Fischer, D-San Antonio, who tried to kill the bill through a number of procedural maneuvers, said he believes there was still a good chance to defeat the legislation.

"This is not over 'til it's over. The notion that we could take an entire day and fight campus carry until 11:35, 11:40 at night, it's a significant accomplishment, to know there are negotiated changes to make this proposition much more difficult to become a legislative reality," Martinez Fischer said.

The bill now heads back to the Senate, which is not expected to agree with the changes made to its legislation. This would push the bill to a conference committee to iron out the chambers' differences, where opponents of the legislation expect there could be deadlock.

If a majority of the conference committee members from both chambers cannot come to an agreement on the bill, it will not become law.
Straus has to go. A supermajority of Republicans, and the Speaker works with the Democrats to effectively kill legislation supported by 60% of the House.

We are seein Boehner replicated in the Texas House.
 

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And the sad part is that he did as promised (supposedly) in bringing it to a vote. But this is the poison pill that may well kill it as there is no way that the private schools are going to waive their property rights. And so there will be legal challenges right out of the box and those will drag onwards for a long time, probably with injunctions to prevent enactment and on and on. Or...all that unpleasantness simply goes away if the anticipated deadlock occurs...allowing folks to then pass the blame elsewhere.
 

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I'm seeing the status as this bill has not been cleared of the House as it still hasn't had its third reading. And I don't see it on a calendar yet for a third reading.
 

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I'm seeing the status as this bill has not been cleared of the House as it still hasn't had its third reading. And I don't see it on a calendar yet for a third reading.
Guess I need to read up a bit. If each and every bill requires three readings, three rounds of amendments, and three votes in the House and then again in the Senate (which suspends the regular order with some frequency), I can see why nothing gets done. Today, the House members seem to think that the bill is headed to the Senate for concurrence and probably conference.
 

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It's the constitution that requires three readings, each on separate days. What happens is they can waive that, if they have whatever the majority it is (off the top of my head I'm wanting to say that is a 2/3rds) and that was how some bills went from first reading to passage all in the same day. This one definitely still needs its third reading and it is now on the Supplemental Calendar, but no date listed yet. Then it will have to go to the Senate where it most likely won't get concurrence because of the amendment regarding private institutions, then to a conference committee to work out the issues (where there is zero incentive for any democrat or RINO to agree to remove the offending amendment)....and if it escapes a deadlock there over that poison pill, then both the Senate and the House have to approve the conference report, and then if that all happens, it goes to both Senate and House for an up or down vote. All by Sunday.

Now to me, here's the thing...based on what I see and looking at previous sessions I'm not really confident that all of the above can be completed by Sunday, which if I've got this figured out correctly is the absolute deadline, absent a special session.
 

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I want to say that one of the Texas Congresses said there was an extra day in the month, in order to get something passed, or perhaps it was suspending the clock....
 

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Guess I need to read up a bit. If each and every bill requires three readings, three rounds of amendments, and three votes in the House and then again in the Senate (which suspends the regular order with some frequency), I can see why nothing gets done. Today, the House members seem to think that the bill is headed to the Senate for concurrence and probably conference.
While I agree that the legislative process is overly complicated at times, we are talking about creating new laws here. It's a pretty big deal and should be difficult to do by design. To clarify, there are not three rounds of amendments and three rounds of votes.

The typical process once a bill gets to a chamber is as follows:
1st Reading:
• Bill is read. This is merely an introduction of a bill to the chamber to inform everyone that the bill is coming up and to make sure they have amendments/debate prepared.

2nd Reading (Separate day):
• Bill is read, amendments are offered and require a basic majority (51%) majority to pass. This is typically the only reading in which amendments are adopted.
• Amendments can be debated.
• After all amendments are presented and voted on, there is a vote to pass the bill to engrossment. This will most likely be the final version of the bill.

3rd Reading (Separate day):
• Bill is read, amendments are typically not offered at this stage as they will now take a 2/3 vote which is very difficult to get without overwhelming bi-partisan support.
• Bill is typically debated if it is controversial and everyone gets a chance to voice their opinion and debate on the bill.
• A final vote is taken and the bill is passed out of the chamber with a basic majority.
 

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I want to say that one of the Texas Congresses said there was an extra day in the month, in order to get something passed, or perhaps it was suspending the clock....
Yes/No...June 1st is the 140th day and the last day of the session. HOWEVER...it is restricted to corrections only in both the Senate and the House. The 139th day (5/31) is the LAST day for both the House and the Senate to adapt or discharge conference reports and to concur on amendments. So while the legislative year doesn't end until 6/1/15, the 139th day deadlines are what sets this as Sunday for the end of things.
 

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I wonder what wording discrepancy they can find in SB 11 to try and kill that bill too.
 

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I wonder what wording discrepancy they can find in SB 11 to try and kill that bill too.
IMHO, they don't need to find that as they have the amendment to include private institutions. There is a very very very small chance that just before the unicorns start dancing under the rainbows, that the Senate will vote concurrence. But in the real world, the Senate will reject it. It will then have to go to the conference committee. If the unicorns dance yet again, the conference committee will be called and staffed with folks totally campus carry friendly and they will pat each other on the back as they strip that part of the language out. But in the real world, the committee will become deadlocked. And if the unicorns dance yet again, the committee will reach an acceptable agreement that the House and the Senate will find acceptable. But in the real world, the conference committee even if it reaches an agreement will not be able to provide their report quickly enough to be then be scheduled for the vote before the Senate and House. And if the unicorns dance one last time, the conference committee report will be delivered in plenty of time to get the bill to the Governor's office where it will be signed 30 seconds after the unicorn is named the state animal and the rainbow is named the state phenomena. But in the real world, there simply isn't enough time and we will be pondering how something like this sat for weeks and weeks and weeks and yet they couldn't find the time to get it passed.

Sorry, but it's fun to watch the progress....and I'll keep putting out the unicorn chow, but I'm not planning on riding any unicorns between now and Sunday night.
 

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Conference committee is on the web now. Seems to have lots of changes, and seems to contain the private school amendment. But I see a long set of provisions related to the schools being able to set "reasonable rules and policies".


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