VCDL is an "Extremist Gun Rights Organization" according to the leftist media.

[VCDL President]

Philip who is for every gun owner...as long as they have a CHP..I rekon that's PCDL.

Pretty mean-spirited stuff, Peter, but good for fertilizing the yard. Did I run over your dog or something and didn't realize it?

 

[peter nap]

Pretty mean-spirited stuff, Peter, but good for fertilizing the yard. Did I run over your dog or something and didn't realize it?

Glad to hear your opinion for what my opinion is Philip. At least it wasn't as long winded as Charles. What was that I was told on lobby day....To join VSSA because VCDL is only a self defense organization.
Perhaps I got the idea from your support for the second year of the loaded long gun in vehicles for CHPs bill......its a small matter though and not intended to be mean spirited. I can remember in years past when I was proud to be a member and you did not support a simular bill saying....it did not support ALL GUN OWNERS.

 

[Thundar]

Dear Northern Virginia CHP Defense League

Pretty mean-spirited stuff, Peter, but good for fertilizing the yard. Did I run over your dog or something and didn't realize it?

Philip,

There is a lot of stuff that is good for fertilizing the yard. How goes your Commonwealth CHP enhancement campaign this year by the way?

Good news for VCDL-PAC:

If by mean spirited, you mean straight shooting, then the VCDL PAC can never be accused of being mean spirited.

Live Free or Die,
Thundar

 

[marshaul]

There is a lot of stuff that is good for fertilizing the yard. How goes your Commonwealth CHP enhancement campaign this year by the way?

I see what you did there.

 

[Lyndsy Simon]

Pretty mean-spirited stuff, Peter, but good for fertilizing the yard. Did I run over your dog or something and didn't realize it?

For what it's worth, I respect both of you and your opinions.

Sure, I'm more ideologically "pure" than the VCDL's official positions, but that's OK. I'll continue to lend my support to the VCDL on the things I agree with, and I'll continue to bug my reps independently about the things VCDL isn't championing.

Perfect is the enemy of the good - and while not perfect, the VCDL had done an impressive job delivering "good".

 

[Grapeshot]

For what it's worth, I respect both of you and your opinions.

Sure, I'm more ideologically "pure" than the VCDL's official positions, but that's OK. I'll continue to lend my support to the VCDL on the things I agree with, and I'll continue to bug my reps independently about the things VCDL isn't championing.

Perfect is the enemy of the good - and while not perfect, the VCDL had done an impressive job delivering "good".

Your vison is not clouded by smoke and mirrors.

 

[utbagpiper]

Charles I'm not going to get sucked into another of your long winded chest beating sessions but yes I am born and raised Virginia and have no desire to visit yootaa. If I recall the most notable event in your heritage was murdering a wagon train of defenseless men, women and children who were passing through.

Some pretty serious rocks you're throwing for a guy whose home State defended the institution of slavery and helped lose a war that pretty much eliminated all notion of States' rights. Glass houses and all.

If I need more exposure it's about time for your missionaries to ignore no trespassing signs so Zeus can have some exercise.

And when one runs out of rational arguments, along with childish insults out comes the various bigotries. Good to know who we're dealing with.

The truth causes some people so much pain they can only respond with impotent laughable insults. Life must be rough for those people.

Charles

 

[peter nap]

Some pretty serious rocks you're throwing for a guy whose home State defended the institution of slavery and helped lose a war that pretty much eliminated all notion of States' rights. Glass houses and all.



And when one runs out of rational arguments, along with childish insults out comes the various bigotries. Good to know who we're dealing with.




Charles[/QUOT

Now you know and knowings half the battle Charles. I don't recall inviting you here.

 

[grylnsmn]

I don't recall inviting you here.

I wasn't aware that an invitation from you was required to be here. Last I checked, Mike and John had an open invitation to all who wish to come here and discuss Open Carry, excepting those that have specifically been disinvited by having their accounts banned.

Charles has as much right to post here as you do.

 

[Grapeshot]

I wasn't aware that an invitation from you was required to be here. Last I checked, Mike and John had an open invitation to all who wish to come here and discuss Open Carry, excepting those that have specifically been disinvited by having their accounts banned.

Charles has as much right to post here as you do.

True enough, but those that act the provocateur run a considerable risk and likely will not be ignored by others.

BTW - no one has the "right" to post here. We are all guests on private property.

Just 'sayin'.....

 

[peter nap]

I wasn't aware that an invitation from you was required to be here. Last I checked, Mike and John had an open invitation to all who wish to come here and discuss Open Carry, excepting those that have specifically been disinvited by having their accounts banned.

Charles has as much right to post here as you do.

Obviously you don't need an invitation since your posting. And yes Charles can and does post here and so does Mcbeth. Leave the window open and all sorts of things come in.

 

[utbagpiper]

Now you know and knowings half the battle Charles. I don't recall inviting you here.

Yes, knowing when one is dealing with the small minds that generally accompany bigotry makes dealing with it much easier. One can't fix stupid. And bigotry (whether racial, religious, or even regional) is stupid. But when properly informed, one can deal with it a bit better.

To clear up an confusion on your part, you didn't invite me here. I believe I was invited to join by John Pierce, our gracious host, about the time packing dot org shut down back in 2006. I signed up in July 2006, per that invitation, a couple of months after John and a few others had the board up and running in May of that year. Your attempt to diminish my presence for lack of your invitation is as silly as would be me attempting to diminish your presence as "Johnny come lately" for not joining up until more than a year later.

What is sad is that I've posted nothing on this thread that should be disagreeable. I support full constitutional carry. I support VCDL. I believe that incremental approaches work well and provided some examples of it working. When someone made emphatic assertions that a non-incremental approach worked better, I asked for examples and got only examples of States that have demonstrably used incrementalism. I pointed this out and asked for other examples. What exactly did you find disagreeable in my posts?

Is my voiced support VCDL and their tactics offensive to you?

Is it my offering evidence rather than mere emphatic assertion that incrementalism works to advance statutory recognition of our rights offensive to you?

Is it that I ask for evidence (which evidence has yet to be presented, I suspect, because it doesn't exist) about non-incremental approaches you find offensive?

Surely you are not really so much a bigot as to simply hate my existence because of my State of residency or religious beliefs, neither of which have anything to do with RKBA.

So what it is that set you off? Posts longer than a bumper sticker? Something vague about my "style"?

Charles

 

[utbagpiper]

Leave the window open and all sorts of things come in.

Include peter nap and other bigots it seems.

 

[peter nap]

You have the record for saying less in more words than anyone I've ever seen Charles. As I said earlier, I'm not getting sucked into one of your endless self promoting bagpipe blowing sessions. Spew away and provide more joke material.

 

[Grapeshot]

And so endeth this lesson.