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Many conceal carriers believe they are the chosen ones. A self-righteous group that believe privilege granted by the government outweigh inalienable rights.This is precisely the problem here. The gun toting community is eating itself. Some of the loudest voices against OC are those who claim the high ground as cc'ers. Charles Cotton is one of the worst offenders on this front.
Many conceal carriers believe they are the chosen ones. A self-righteous group that believe privilege granted by the government outweigh inalienable rights.
Since our OC is by privilege card, too, you'd hope they'd just shut up.
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The USSC has made clear that the power to regulate is not unlimited. The power to regulate the wearing of arms cannot be such that it limits all forms of carry, in effect, outlaw all carry. In other words, if the law regulates conceal carry then to be inline with "Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms" open carry must be that right (not privileged) to stay inline with the constitution.Sec. 23. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.
Same in Ohio. The CCers keep forgetting that it was the exercising of their open carry right that got them their conceal carry privilege.unfortunately, they won't go quietly into the night. further they are right in their comments...the lid of pandora's box is open...and now all you nice folks have to play nice in the sandbox 'together'!!
i was going to raise the subject of crossfeed but we have the same mentality with our NC gun owner's forum (populated mainly by folk in western NC) who believe OC's are the scum of the earth per se. when you bring up OC'g on their form it is brutal. there used to be cross feed when some members from NCGO were member of OCDO but for the most part no longer say hello out here.
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The USSC has made clear that the power to regulate is not unlimited. The power to regulate the wearing of arms cannot be such that it limits all forms of carry, in effect, outlaw all carry. In other words, if the law regulates conceal carry then to be inline with "Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms" open carry must be that right (not privileged) to stay inline with the constitution.
So, what Texas court case says the legislators can regulate ALL forms of carry?
Coming from a total prohibition on carry of handguns, we have achieved a milestone unreached in 140 years in the Lone Star State. If we had gone straight to constitutional, as a right, the antis and CCers wouldn't have a backstop (that is, to have the open carry repealed next session due to backlash.) I was one of the folks saying "let's take this baby step", so I am part of the problem. We should have gone for the jugular.
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Coming from a total prohibition on carry of handguns, we have achieved a milestone unreached in 140 years in the Lone Star State. If we had gone straight to constitutional, as a right, the antis and CCers wouldn't have a backstop (that is, to have the open carry repealed next session due to backlash.) I was one of the folks saying "let's take this baby step", so I am part of the problem. We should have gone for the jugular.
bottom line...have you gained a bloody thing with your baby step...IMHO, especially with the CC'ers p!ssed off...NOPE!!
ya'll were tossed a well rehearsed & calculated treat to pacify a very small minority who thought they could change things after accepting that treat with conditions attached...
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Government sure does believe this. Until we can change "their" view point...continue to OC and work towards the next goal, unlicensed OC, and the repeal of 30.06/.07 laws.... believe all their precious rights are granted by the govt.
I wanted the jugular but I'm at least OK with the baby step for now. It's more than we had two weeks ago and it's better than a slap in the face. Moving forward a bit is much better than staying in the same place or moving backwards. Like I said before, if OC continues to be a non-event, it will be easier to gain more ground in 2017.
As for the CC privilege folks, I too am subscribed to the texas3006 notifications and almost all the ones popping up are 30.07 and not 30.06. I could be wrong but I think I've seen just two 30.06's since Jan 1st.
Government sure does believe this. Until we can change "their" view point...continue to OC and work towards the next goal, unlicensed OC, and the repeal of 30.06/.07 laws.
Government sure does believe this. Until we can change "their" view point...continue to OC and work towards the next goal, unlicensed OC, and the repeal of 30.06/.07 laws.
People have been brainwashed into thinking that things flow FROM the government. It's sad that we can't snap out fingers and fix that.
I have yet to see a 30.07, or to see a new 30.06 that wasn't previously posted.
I did attend an event at a restaurant posted as 51%. I had already checked the TABC site and knew it was F&B (less than 50%) so the sign was meaningless. I was concealing since it was a work event.
Yes, and the forum itself is evidently HEAVILY moderated.This is exactly why I never joined in that forum. Literally half the posts are people moaning about OCT and CJ Grisham. It's really tiresome.