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Trick holster (Chambers, Removes Safety)

Pace

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These are the guns I carry.

In the XDM, nothing to cock. When I do carry the bersa, its a dual action trigger, so that's kinda up to me. I chamber a round with the slide and keep it in there. I never keep the safety on, ever. I know a gun is unloaded when I check it , and then keep the slide open, otherwise I assume its loaded, always. Mind you the XDM has two internal safeties, plus two chamber indicators.

When you remove any gun from a holster, you always do with your finder on the side of the gun unless you are planning on using it. This is the best safety, along with your brain.



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eye95

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OK. I understand. Your handgun has no hammer to cock. You carry it in the equivalent state and without the safety on. Gotcha.
 

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Pace wrote:
I still dont understand safeties. If I draw a weapon in self defensive, I am ready to shoot. If I draw a waepon otherwise, my finger is not on the trigger. Simple
I always hear this from people who don't own a 1911.

If you're experienced with the platform, you simply won't make this claim.

When a 1911 is gripped properly the thumb safety will automatically disengage (especially if you have an extended one), so there's nothing to "remember" and no additional time.

I have an XD too and the lack of a safety has its upsides, and that's great.

But your intended criticism of platforms which have manual safeties really has no bearing on reality in the context of the 1911.
 

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Pace wrote:
Still doesnt make sense. Why would you want to have to "move" a lever in order to defend yourself. Can you imaigne, if you forget the safety is on? One shot lost, too much time, attacker already stabbed you.

When I draw against an attacked, I always have a round chambered. I carry always that way, don't understand any other way.
This post is even worse (no offense). Read what I just wrote.

I would suggest you get over your bias and get some serious trigger time with a 1911.

:)
 

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OK, well your point is invalid with that platform. So, if you're as knowledgeable as you say (I'm not disputing this, exactly), I fail to see why you made it.

It's a very valid point for a gun like the 92F.

But, by implication you were referring to all guns with manual safeties.

All guns include 1911s. Your point is invalid for that platform with proper training.

That's all. Just so the conversation involves both viewpoints.
 

Pace

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The other guy wasn't saying that the safety was somehow "necessary" to firing the gun into your foot, or something to that degree.

I guess I kinda understand his point, kinda.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
That has little to do with grip between thumb and forefinger. The Mak's a tight little gun. This is why many women prefer a wheelgun... 'cause they can't jack the slide on a semi-auto.
Actually, IMHO it is improper training that is the reason most women cannot chamber a round easily. For a woman, a push-push method using both hands rather than a traditional push-pull using the thumb pinch on the slide iseasier until they develop the hand strength to manage the slide pull.

However, I do not believe anyone should be trying to chamber a round during a SD incident or when unholstering a firearm. Yeah, that would be Hole in Foot for $1000, Alex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj4yUpR1PB0

Beware of "professionals" :what:
 

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Pace wrote:

"bring both hands together and establish the support grip as you continue to bring the gun onto target, then acquire a shooting grip and stance."


I really hope that you are not teaching self defensive shooting. This is range shooting.
I don't do "range shooting". If you're teaching people to "just get a shot off one handed", you're teaching them to be dangerous.

Yes, I practice shooting one handed, strong side, weak side, and drawing with either hand. But that's because "stuff happens", not because it's optimal. There is no advantage to shooting one-handed, even though we need to be able to do so. A proper two hand grip not only increases accuracy, it's as fast as shooting one handed.
 

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The DEA agent may have been able to continue lecturing, however he had zero credibility. I'd've walked out. What he had to say would be of no interest at all, and anyone staying runs the risk of this bozo waving around another "unloaded" gun!
 

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I want this holster. i've always been very on the fence about how i carry. i understand the round chambered safety off. but since you can NOT vehicle carry in wisconsin, i usually just leave the chamber empty because then i just have to hit the mag release when encasing it instead of having to rack it every time.

so from that point i would LOVE this holster.

problem is i have a CZ-82 and it has a different safety on it, so i'm not sure this would work.

this sucks. i just can't seem to find ANY cool holsters for the CZ-82. i so need a new gun.
 

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eye95 wrote:
Has anyone considered the direction the gun is moving when it is drawn from this trick holster and the direction, relative to the trigger, that any stationary object would appear to be moving?

The reason for redundancy is that any system can fail. If two safety systems each have only a 1/1000 chance of failing, combined they have a 1/1000000 chance of failing.

If I am moving a gun forcefully in a direction opposite to a trigger pull, I am NOT going to rely on my finger not being on the trigger as the only safety. God knows what might brush past that trigger forcefully while shoving that handgun downward. That something brushing past the trigger could well be something entirely out of my control. I want that thumb safety under my control.

If anyone here thinks that holster is a cool idea, great. We all have considered opinions. I still think the holster is dangerous.
No offence but Spetsnaz says its the @#$% and they have bookoos more cred than any of you.:lol::lol:
 

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Pace wrote:
Still doesnt make sense. Why would you want to have to "move" a lever in order to defend yourself. Can you imaigne, if you forget the safety is on? One shot lost, too much time, attacker already stabbed you.

When I draw against an attacked, I always have a round chambered. I carry always that way, don't understand any other way.
Guns without manual safeties are designed as lowest common denominator weapons. Least training required, least practice required. The Glock wasn't as spectacular as many make it out to be. Its fame came from shrewd marketing to the police forces in europe, who were using expensive weapons that required more training, and were also starting to arm much larger portions of its police than before. It saved a lot of money and time.

Lets try this one. I have just fired my 1911, and now I'm going to holster it.
1. thumb safety up
2. put thumb on back of slide above the hammer.
3. insert into holster.

If I forget to thumb the safety, and my trigger gets caught and pulled by my shirt, I am safe because the grip safety is no longer compressed (thumb up on slide puts pressure of web UP on the beaver-tail, engaging the safety.

If I forget to thumb the safety, and my trigger gets caught and pulled by my shirt, AND the grip safety is broken, my thumb will manually decelerate the hammer, making a discharge unlikely.

Even if I neglect everything and holster condition 0, the chance of a negligent discharge is THE SAME as your DAO. (pull trigger=bang) DAO/"safe action" IS NOT protection against negligent discharge from holstering.

Lets say I'm the victim of a gun grab. It will take a thug time to figure out how in the hell to get my weapon to fire. Your DAO? your ******, even a 12yo swipes your gun and your dead.

Just as carrying a sidearm becomes second nature to us, if you train with a firearm with manual safeties, they will become natural. It will also prepare you if you ever need to pick up an unknown firearm and use it immediately. I can pick up almost any pistol in the world and get it functioning in 2-3 seconds. All because I own and/or shoot and/or train with SAO, DAO, DA/SA DA/SA/SAO, safeaction, striker fired, hammer fired weapons of Blowback, tilting locked breach, roller locked, and squeeze cocked designs.

Once you get to know more styles, you can figure out a firearm you've never seen very quickly. Sticking with a DAO cause its super simple and you never have to think about it makes you a lowest common denominator shooter. Even if your a great shot. If I hand you a CZ-75 in the middle of a gun fight what would you do? What if I needed you to field strip and clear debris from an H&K USP in a stressful situation? What if I handed you a Taurus 840 with a three position thumb safety? Which thumb safeties lock the slide? Does a Kel-Tec P3AT have strike-two capability, or do you rack the slide upon misfire? Did you know the SA xD you put in your pictures is offered in a .45 with a thumb safety?

I don't expect answers. I'm just making a point. Make yourself well rounded and competent for any situation. I'm glad your confident with your xD. I'm confident with just about anything.

I do agree with you almost all guns should be carried with a round in the chamber.
 

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Joe, the reason your shirt may pull the trigger while holstering your handgun (even though you have to make a bunch of other mistakes) is because the whole world is moving in the direction of pulling your trigger as your gun moves down into your holster.

That's the same point I am making regarding the trick holster. Since the gun is drawn downward, again, the whole world is moving in the direction of pulling the trigger. With the drawing action chambering a round and removing the safety anything (even though you are well trained, and "anything" does not include your finger) that enters the trigger guard can "pull" the trigger!

I still want to be the one to remove the safety, not some gadget.
 
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