To Those That OC in Manassas, Stay Vigilent and Aware of Your Surroundings

[rebfan]

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ufcfanvt wrote:

Not to mention, moonshiners and cigarette tax-dodgers make 1/1000th the profit of cocaine and marijuana dealers. Less profit to hire more hoods and recruit the young could possibly help, but probably won't happen in our lifetimes...
Let's get back on topic though, any leads on the perp? any statement from the police here?

Looks like he's the type to get skittish easily:
http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/man_fails_in_robbery_attempt_in_manassas/28848/
A man attempting to rob Signal Hill Cleaners Thursday morning fled the scene when a customer walked in, said Manassas City police spokesperson Sgt. Tim Neumann.

The attempted robbery of the store, located at the corner of Signal Hill and Liberia Avenue, occurred at 10:15 a.m.
The suspect was a black male, wearing a black mask, a black coat, blue jeans and black hoodie pulled up over his mask. The suspect is approximately 6-foot-2, weighs 225 pounds and was carrying a handgun.

The suspect flashed a gun to a store employee but then fled on foot when a customer walked in, said Neumann. A canine search revealed no information and city police are currently searching the area.

He could be skittish, or was just looking for an easy robbery and did not want to stick around to see what might have happened.Talk about not being situational aware.

 

[cmartin7864]

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My roommate, a PWC LEO, said that a lot of these armed robberies are being done with airsoft pistols.

 

[rebfan]

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cmartin7864 wrote:

My roommate, a PWC LEO, said that a lot of these armed robberies are being done with airsoft pistols.

How stupid if they came up against a person with a real gun.

 

[Hawkflyer]

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rebfan wrote:

cmartin7864 wrote:

My roommate, a PWC LEO, said that a lot of these armed robberies are being done with airsoft pistols.

How stupid if they came up against a person with a real gun.

Yea, That is called a teachable moment.

 

[cmartin7864]

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Hawkflyer wrote:

rebfan wrote:

cmartin7864 wrote:

My roommate, a PWC LEO, said that a lot of these armed robberies are being done with airsoft pistols.

How stupid if they came up against a person with a real gun.

Yea,  That is called a teachable moment.

LMAO +1

 

[TexasNative]

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Hawkflyer wrote:

Yea, That is called a teachable moment.

I think the learning window in that situation will likely be too short for much knowledge transfer, especially in those circumstances where their primary lesson is how to achieve room temperature.

 

[hunter45]

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What would you guys do if you were in one of these stores when the robbery occurred? Would you hold the guy at gun point? Or do nothing at all? I've been thinking about this lately with all of these robberies that have been taking place.

 

[Wolf_shadow]

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hunter45 wrote:

What would you guys do if you were in one of these stores when the robbery occurred? Would you hold the guy at gun point? Or do nothing at all? I've been thinking about this lately with all of these robberies that have been taking place.

Depends on their reaction on command to freeze. :uhoh:Right reaction they go to jail, wrong hospital/morgue.

 

[Hawkflyer]

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TexasNative wrote:

Hawkflyer wrote:

Yea, That is called a teachable moment.

I think the learning window in that situation will likely be too short for much knowledge transfer, especially in those circumstances where their primary lesson is how to achieve room temperature.

It is a binary message. It travels at just under the speed of sound, and the lesson has very high penetration and retention.



As for intervention in robberies, that is something a person would have to decide at the time. There is no way you could guess what you would do beyond deciding ahead of time if you would be WILLING to intervene.

For my part I am willing, but only on my terms. If I determine that I must act or the clerk is going to be killed by a BG, them I would be willing to shoot to protect the clerk. Even off duty LEOs have to give warning, but regular citizens (and/or Citizens) do not, so if the guy is going to shoot someone, just shoot him first. Forget all this crap about waring shots , and verbal instructions. If you yell at the BG he will turn on you. It is already him or the clerk, do you really want to make it him or you?

But that is MY decision. Each of you needs to work this all out for yourself based on what you would gain or lose.

 

[rebfan]

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Hawkflyer wrote:

TexasNative wrote:

Hawkflyer wrote:

Yea, That is called a teachable moment.

I think the learning window in that situation will likely be too short for much knowledge transfer, especially in those circumstances where their primary lesson is how to achieve room temperature.

It is a binary message. It travels at just under the speed of sound, and the lesson has very high penetration and retention.



As for intervention in robberies, that is something a person would have to decide at the time. There is no way you could guess what you would do beyond deciding ahead of time if you would be WILLING to intervene.

For my part I am willing, but only on my terms. If I determine that I must act or the clerk is going to be killed by a BG, them I would be willing to shoot to protect the clerk. Even off duty LEOs have to give warning, but regular citizens (and/or Citizens) do not, so if the guy is going to shoot someone, just shoot him first. Forget all this crap about waring shots , and verbal instructions. If you yell at the BG he will turn on you. It is already him or the clerk, do you really want to make it him or you?

But that is MY decision. Each of you needs to work this all out for yourself based on what you would gain or lose.

Agree.

I think it depends on the situation, the number of people involved(by standers, etc) and if you are in a good position to make a difference without endangering anyone else but the bg.

 

[DHCruiser]

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hunter45 wrote:

What would you guys do if you were in one of these stores when the robbery occurred? Would you hold the guy at gun point? Or do nothing at all? I've been thinking about this lately with all of these robberies that have been taking place.

I've been thinking about it a lot as well. I agree with Hawk and Reb. For me, it would boil down to whether I think it's a bluff to get money or if someone is in real danger of being killed. If my family, me or another patron or a store clerk appears to be in real danger, I'll handle the situation and deal with the aftermath later. If it's some guy leaning up on the counter showing the edge of his gun and demanding money and appears he'll just leave when he gets it, I'll likely keep my distance and just be as good a witness as I can be.

It's hard to decide in advance with so many variables. I'd hate for someone to die because I didn't act, but I'm also not looking to shoot or kill someone unless I absolutely have to do so.