Time Travel Proven

[eye95]

When I first joined the AF (as the sole support of my wife and infant daughter), I was eligible for food stamps. We refused them and were able to pay rent and buy food as well as all other necessities. Of course, that meant we had to forgo some niceties. We had a 7" B&W portable, drove a $300 rattletrap, used a cheap picnic table for a dining room table, rented stick furniture from the complex, bought generic food, abstained from the night life, etc.

We scraped and scrimped, but we made it. Without government help.

A few years later, when my daughter entered school, we we eligible for reduced-price meals for her. We kept her well-fed, thank you very much, and again refused this gratuitous government handout. The school was quite upset with us. By our refusal, we reduced the number of "poor" people attending the school, thereby reducing the size of their federal handout.

What a mindset we have built in this country! We have no idea what "poor" really is. We have no idea how to fix what people now call "poor."

 

[Jack House]

Some people would also say. " If they don't make enough money, why did they choose to have kids?"

Because everyone chooses to have kids? Because everyone that is poor has always been poor?

When I first joined the AF (as the sole support of my wife and infant daughter), I was eligible for food stamps. We refused them and were able to pay rent and buy food as well as all other necessities. Of course, that meant we had to forgo some niceties. We had a 7" B&W portable, drove a $300 rattletrap, used a cheap picnic table for a dining room table, rented stick furniture from the complex, bought generic food, abstained from the night life, etc.

I'd love to see you do that with $13k a year in today's economy. That's what Wal-Mart employees make.

 

[eye95]

Because everyone chooses to have kids? Because everyone that is poor has always been poor?


I'd love to see you do that with $13k a year in today's economy. That's what Wal-Mart employees make.

That's the rough equivalent of what I was making then. I could do it. It is a matter of making choices. One of the choices I made was, when things got tight, I took on part-time employment as a janitor on base for about six months to deal with unexpected bills.

That's what adults do. They solve their problems rather than looking to force others to do so for them.

 

[END_THE_FED]

Because everyone chooses to have kids? ...........

For the most part, yes. In fact almost always. There are very few pregnancies that could truly be called an accident. Even in those rare cases if one knows that they can't afford it then there is the option to get it adopted.

 

[Jack House]

That's the rough equivalent of what I was making then. I could do it. It is a matter of making choices. One of the choices I made was, when things got tight, I took on part-time employment as a janitor on base for about six months to deal with unexpected bills.

That's what adults do. They solve their problems rather than looking to force others to do so for them.

Because there's a wealth of extra part time jobs for everyone to have two jobs at once?

 

[eye95]

There are jobs out there. One only needs to look and be willing take what is available. The more people willing to do this, the more productivity and demand will both rise, creating more and better jobs.

I, myself, was thrust, suddenly and unexpectedly, into unemployment a few years ago when the school at which I was a teacher went bankrupt. Since then, I have worked for the Census, have worked in the box office of the Montgomery Biscuits baseball team, and am currently selling technology. With the marked decrease in private schools in Montgomery and my unwillingness to participate in the public school system, returning to teaching is something that won't happen, and I am cool with that. I have been willing to work below my capabilities to secure employment without violating my conscience.

So, don't try to talk to me of the victimization of the current job market. It tried to make me a victim, and I would not let it.

Again, adults solve their problems. They don't look to have others forced to solve their problems for them. I'd've thought that was an underlying theme of this site and of those who choose to participate in it. Maybe that thought was wrong. I hope not.

 

[Jack House]

The idea that there are enough part time jobs out there for everyone to have two is just absurd. A lot of people do have multiple jobs, but a lot more don't. It's not because they are lazy, it's because there are no jobs out there. For every opening, there are dozens of applicants.

 

[PrayingForWar]

The idea that there are enough part time jobs out there for everyone to have two is just absurd. A lot of people do have multiple jobs, but a lot more don't. It's not because they are lazy, it's because there are no jobs out there. For every opening, there are dozens of applicants.

Indeed there are many applicants for some jobs, but it's an employer's market unlike several years ago when any meth head or degenerate could get a decent paying job as long as they produced a little something. Now employers can easily justify not hiring a guy who seems "squirrely" (in the words of a business owner I know) because there's bound to be a guy willing to bust his *** for half the wages he earned a few years ago. I faced the same thing in the begining of 2002. I took jobs from illegal aliens. If more Americans were willing to suck it up and start from the bottom it might solve more than one problem.

It will help us a lot when the moonbat messiah joins the lecture circut and there is some stability in the private sector. Until that time people might have to do things that are "beneath them", and I think that would have been done if unemployment benefits hadn't been extended for 2 years. Not only that but Border Patrol could concentrate on dope smugglers since the "undocumented workers" wouldn't make enough to justify the walk.

 

[PrayingForWar]

Most people that work at places like Wal-Mart can not afford to both eat and pay rent. I personally know that most people employed by Wal-Mart require food stamps or simply would not be able to feed themselves or their kids. I know, people are going to say "well, if they aren't getting paid enough, go somewhere else." Where else are they going to go?

Then they're living beyond their means. That's the bottom line. If the trailer park ghetto behind Auto Zone on 71 isn't cheap enough, you need to rent a room somewhere. When thousands of people were coming to the US in the late 1800's there was no welfare, food stamps, section 8 nor any laws at all that protected workers or provided for a decent wage. In spite of all that people did what they had to do to get on a boat and come here. They lived in conditions so sqaulid you have to go to Sri Lanka to truly understand it, and they prospered. No country on earth enjoys the standard of living we do. It's time our "poor" people, who are sometimes fat, have cable, own cars, and get all sorts of subsidies suck it up and get jobs that are "beneath them", and live in condidtions less than comfortable until they save enough to enhance their standard of living instead of demanding the government or corporations hand them out.

 

[MR Redenck]

That was a really great video. :banana:

 

[eye95]

The idea that there are enough part time jobs out there for everyone to have two is just absurd. A lot of people do have multiple jobs, but a lot more don't. It's not because they are lazy, it's because there are no jobs out there. For every opening, there are dozens of applicants.

There are enough jobs for anyone who actually wants one and is not just paying lip service to "looking for a job."

 

[stainless1911]

Some people would also say. " If they don't make enough money, why did they choose to have kids?"

Because we are humans too, despite our financial status. We have the right to reproduce, our feelings and lives are the same. Most pregnancys arent planned, and murder is wrong at any age.

 

[rodbender]

There are enough jobs for anyone who actually wants one and is not just paying lip service to "looking for a job."

Wow!!! And he calls Ron Paul and his supporters whackadoodle.

 

[Fisherman]

LOL!

This is hilarious.

You're not the one trying to force your beliefs on others. It's those damn abortionists, forcing everyone to have an abortion, whether they want one or not!




Yup.

But the baby doesn't have a choice. It's murder.

 

[Fisherman]

then they're living beyond their means. That's the bottom line. If the trailer park ghetto behind auto zone on 71 isn't cheap enough, you need to rent a room somewhere. When thousands of people were coming to the us in the late 1800's there was no welfare, food stamps, section 8 nor any laws at all that protected workers or provided for a decent wage. In spite of all that people did what they had to do to get on a boat and come here. They lived in conditions so sqaulid you have to go to sri lanka to truly understand it, and they prospered. No country on earth enjoys the standard of living we do. It's time our "poor" people, who are sometimes fat, have cable, own cars, and get all sorts of subsidies suck it up and get jobs that are "beneath them", and live in condidtions less than comfortable until they save enough to enhance their standard of living instead of demanding the government or corporations hand them out.

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[marshaul]

But the baby doesn't have a choice. It's murder.

Not even going there.

 

[stainless1911]

I agree

But the baby doesn't have a choice. It's murder.

 

[Brass Magnet]

Because we are humans too, despite our financial status. We have the right to reproduce, our feelings and lives are the same. Most pregnancys arent planned, and murder is wrong at any age.

How does that go again? Ah yes, with rights come responsibilities. You sure enough do have the right to reproduce but you must take onto yourself the responsibility that it entails. You may not rightly take from others. Your responsibility is to provide for those children. It’s not mine. I have been known to help of my own free will but I am not to be forced into it. I'm not going to get into the last part of the post as it has nothing to do with it.

 

[stainless1911]

Actually it does,more often than not.

 

[Brass Magnet]

Actually it does,more often than not.

Was the responsibility of your right to reproduce forced on you? Translation: Were you forced to have sex? No, therefore talking about abortion only clouds the issue since you had a choice prior to the fact.