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Time to re-think those coffee meets...Starbucks apparently caves...

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Ajetpilot said:
Absolutely! It's all about the normalization of carrying a firearm in everyday life.
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And those of us that do just that rarely have any negative contact with Law Enforcement. It is funny how some of us can OC and talk to a Cop and he never mentions the firearm. Funny how some of us can go years with out being asked to leave anywhere. Funny how some of us have a lot of conversations with people that are positive. There is a difference on how we carry ourselves, how we present ourselves and how the ones with all the problems do.

A great example is the State Capitol rallies we have had where who ever was doing the organizing asked for people to leave their long guns home and immediately received flack for a small minority of folks that basically said you can not tell us what to do and we are going to carry long guns it does not matter what you say they guy that is working his butt off to make it happen. I deeply suspect that those same people will now attack Starbucks and cause a flat out ban instead of what we have now.

STOP think all of you tacticool showboaters this is not about you, showing off or you getting attention. IMHO you people do more harm than the anti gun folks do. I will no longer tolerate or support your antics.
 
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marshaul said:
Go back and look at the picture I quoted on page 3, and tell me again that no gun guys did anything to precipitate this.
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And I'm sure no one you could find a single PIC on the internet of any liberal holding an anti something sign, precipitating some screwed up change. I merely see the firearms as the pro gunners sign. They are both sending a free message, one sign goes bang, the other goes crack over the head, they are the same instrument of communication. Shocked you would not see the equality.
 
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jbone said:
And I'm sure no one you could find a single PIC on the internet of any liberal holding an anti something sign, precipitating some screwed up change. I merely see the firearms as the pro gunners sign. They are both sending a free message, one sign goes bang, the other goes crack over the head, they are the same instrument of communication. Shocked you would not see the equality.
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Right, and the whole reason it's an issue is specifically because Starbucks asked not to be dragged into it. Those folks ignored Starbucks explicit wishes by flaunting their signs (which, you're right, is exactly what they are), right in the middle of Starbucks. They could have OCed a pistol properly all day and never incurred any reaction. But, no! They had to bring their signs onto private property, when the owner had asked for no political grandstanding.

Those folks deserved to get slapped down. It's only a shame they had to go and get the rest of us slapped, too. For this, they deserve to be shunned, and I'm starting right now.
 
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This is what I have been saying all along - we took things too far. We dragged Starbucks into a position that they didn't want to be in. All they want to do is sell coffee. They said from day one that the place about public policy concerning firearms carry is the legislature. We thanked them for their position by doing business with them, but we turned them into the front line for gun rights with all of our 2A Appreciation Days - which was blown completely out of proportion by the aforementioned types who had a "look at me I am exercising my rights" attitude instead of simply acting like normal and buying coffee.

I have received a LOT of flak from some CC only types that we did this to ourselves and regarless of how I presented myself in the OC arena, the fact that I did it at all makes me (and anyone who OC's) an enemy and is making the fight to preserve our rights even harder. (Their words, not mine.)

When I act normally, I get nary a glance. I have said it many times: how you carry yourself is far more important than how you carry your sidearm. I just got a little hot under the collar by people criticizing my choice in how I want to defend myself.
 
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Federal courts have already ruled against Texas and Ohio colleges that you cannot require people to schedule and sign up to exercise speech and you cannot relegate it to small areas if it is public property.
 
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amlevin,

amlevin said:
... One side goes to one extreme, in this case making a big deal out of openly carrying weapons into a business rather than just going in, buying coffee, enjoying, and leaving.

This brings an equal and opposite extreme, those who don't want to see any guns around them who then put pressure on a business to ban them from their premises.

The business in question finds themselves caught in the middle ....
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That is absolutely not what happened in the Starbucks case. Rather, armed folks where doing what you think they should have been doing, the antis found out about it and started raising a stink. It wasn't until then that any of the "Starbucks Appreciation Days" and other (perhaps over-the-top) things started happening.
 
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marshaul said:
Right, and the whole reason it's an issue is specifically because Starbucks asked not to be dragged into it. Those folks ignored Starbucks explicit wishes by flaunting their signs (which, you're right, is exactly what they are), right in the middle of Starbucks. They could have OCed a pistol properly all day and never incurred any reaction. But, no! They had to bring their signs onto private property, when the owner had asked for no political grandstanding.

Those folks deserved to get slapped down. It's only a shame they had to go and get the rest of us slapped, too. For this, they deserve to be shunned, and I'm starting right now.
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+ 1, I am right there with you.
 
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Put them on the list with Costco, Most shopping malls, Buffalo Wild Wings and the others.

If I have to cover it up, or if the company makes a policy against it (regardless of if they enforce it), they are against me and my money as well.

Too many other places want my money, we don't need them.. they need us.
 
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kparker said:
amlevin,



That is absolutely not what happened in the Starbucks case. Rather, armed folks where doing what you think they should have been doing, the antis found out about it and started raising a stink. It wasn't until then that any of the "Starbucks Appreciation Days" and other (perhaps over-the-top) things started happening.
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Of people were just going about their regular routine, OC'ing if they choose, then how would the "anti's" find out about it. Oh sure, maybe one here and one there would notice but if it wasn't for the need by far too many to "show off". Tactical thigh holsters, enough extra mags to supply an army platoon, tactical or cammo clothing, etc, basically attention getting actions, are what's brought this to a head.

For every person you can show who just went in for coffee with a holstered pistol on their belt, I can show you pic's that have been posted with people grouped and posing in a Starbucks going out of their way to try and look cool.

Anyway, FWIW, I read Schultz's letter as more of a "Get Starbucks out of the middle of this" letter. He says you won't get kicked out if you carry, just stop holding the pre-arranged "meets" there where guns are the focus rather than coffee and conversation.
 
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