Time to re-think those coffee meets...Starbucks apparently caves...

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(my colored bold above)

This is incorrect. If you read the picture posted by Bill Starks on the prior page, you can tell, that at least for now, gun carrying customers will NOT be asked to leave if all they're doing is carrying.

Not that I will give or ever gave Starbucks any money, but your assertion needed to be corrected.

We won't be asked to leave, but I guarantee this new stance by Starbucks will embolden anti gunners to complain, and possibly call in erroneous MWAG to police, regardless of Starbucks printed position.

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[Difdi]

Everyone is welcome in our stores, but weapons are not.

No. This does not apply to recognized members of law enforcement.

Well, THAT is pretty clear. They don't actually have a problem with weapons, just non-government folks having them. Time for a boycott.

I don't give my money to anti-human rights groups and corporations, and I can't stand wishy-washiness or hypocrisy. Take a stand or don't. Their stand is weak, but they've taken one. When my exercise of my human rights under the constitution is unwelcome, so are my human rights.

And so am I.

 

[mikeyb]

Making Sbux a political proving ground was not the best strategy. Nor flaunting your firearms (the earlier posted pics of the rifles) in the store. The "I love Guns & Coffee" paraphernalia really needs to go. It is trademark infringement, and we're damn lucky Sbux isn't making a big public deal over gun owners misrepresenting their brand.

It's sad that Sbux had to issue a statement. Had we just been normal, it would have been fine. Businesses don't like being told how to run their business.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I'm not really sure why you choose the term "hatred." Starbucks chose a stance and we shall respect that by not spending another dime there. Where's the hatred you speak of? (not counting the folks that didn't go before because they think the coffee sucks) obviously those people hated them already.

Hey Tom, if starbucks won't refund your gift card just go use it all at a safeway or fredmeyer S-bucks location.... because those kiosks are operated by the gocery store and nearly all the profit goes to the store chain.... so if your local safeway is gun friendly you can keep spending the gift card money while supporting friendly businesses.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Oh..there is plenty of hatred flowing out there...from the "pro-gun" people towards "all you Open Carry in-your-face activists."

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=729101

well of course the High Horse isn't open carry friendly...

 

[tombrewster421]

Making Sbux a political proving ground was not the best strategy. Nor flaunting your firearms (the earlier posted pics of the rifles) in the store. The "I love Guns & Coffee" paraphernalia really needs to go. It is trademark infringement, and we're damn lucky Sbux isn't making a big public deal over gun owners misrepresenting their brand.

It's sad that Sbux had to issue a statement. Had we just been normal, it would have been fine. Businesses don't like being told how to run their business.

Just to clarify, it's not trademark infringement because details were changed. It's called political satire and is actually protected speech.

 

[tombrewster421]

Hey Tom, if starbucks won't refund your gift card just go use it all at a safeway or fredmeyer S-bucks location.... because those kiosks are operated by the gocery store and nearly all the profit goes to the store chain.... so if your local safeway is gun friendly you can keep spending the gift card money while supporting friendly businesses.

That's what I was thinking, but when the money on the card is gone I'm switching to Bigfoot java.

I wish there were a place near me that had the sit down atmosphere similar to Starbucks.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That's what I was thinking, but when the money on the card is gone I'm switching to Bigfoot java.

I wish there were a place near me that had the sit down atmosphere similar to Starbucks.

this is Washington state, the Saudi Arabia of Coffee Culture... I'm sure there's somewhere you've overlooked or never seen but is somewhere near you that's similiar.

here on the Kitsap we have Cutter's Point (a local gig Harbor based chain) that I've never previously shopped at much... but since i'll be able to OC in 9 days I may go try them out and see how it works..

oh also local chains will be less likely to fold to pressure from national interest groups with little presence in your specific community. if all the people screaming for gun bans live in California and Florida and New York... a chain based in rural Washington with few stores outside their area may not be pressured in the same way as a chain like starbucks where customers are everywhere in the country...

 

[Logan 5]

I'm not really sure why you choose the term "hatred." Starbucks chose a stance and we shall respect that by not spending another dime there. Where's the hatred you speak of? (not counting the folks that didn't go before because they think the coffee sucks) obviously those people hated them already.

You don't see it? Well the anti-gunners AND Starbucks will. I guess you're hardened and calloused. I dunno. Or perhaps blind. I dunno. Listen, when the 2nd A crowd pushed them to take sides, they did. And whose side are they on now? Don't get upset with them, get upset with yourselves. When you force people to do things it rarely is in your benefit. Didn't anyone learn that crap in school?

Seriously guys, we're talking about common sense from our school days. And because ya'll had to force them to take sides, they chose and now YOU are the ones to blame. We're not playing tag football or volleyball or "raunchy raiders", we're dealing with a large corporation and their attitude on the US Constitution AND how our misbehavior and disrespect is influencing their decisions. Then all these worthless dickless wonders that whine about how ya'lls gonna take your money elsewhere. Well lah dee dah. The US ain't their only market, gringo. Aren't any of you capable of logical, independant thought????? ****. we WANT them on our side. And we don't get it by treating them like, well, ****. Like some of you have talked.

You just see a coffee stand. I see one of hundreds if not thousands of contact points where WE are observed by everybody and their momma. And then seeing how some of you mommas boys are saying smack about Starbucks.... :banghead:

 

[tombrewster421]

You don't see it? Well the anti-gunners AND Starbucks will. I guess you're hardened and calloused. I dunno. Or perhaps blind. I dunno. Listen, when the 2nd A crowd pushed them to take sides, they did. And whose side are they on now? Don't get upset with them, get upset with yourselves. When you force people to do things it rarely is in your benefit. Didn't anyone learn that crap in school?

Seriously guys, we're talking about common sense from our school days. And because ya'll had to force them to take sides, they chose and now YOU are the ones to blame. We're not playing tag football or volleyball or "raunchy raiders", we're dealing with a large corporation and their attitude on the US Constitution AND how our misbehavior and disrespect is influencing their decisions. Then all these worthless dickless wonders that whine about how ya'lls gonna take your money elsewhere. Well lah dee dah. The US ain't their only market, gringo. Aren't any of you capable of logical, independant thought????? ****. we WANT them on our side. And we don't get it by treating them like, well, ****. Like some of you have talked.

You just see a coffee stand. I see one of hundreds if not thousands of contact points where WE are observed by everybody and their momma. And then seeing how some of you mommas boys are saying smack about Starbucks.... :banghead:

You seriously think that we "forced" them to take a side when all we ever did was gather and spend money there? The antis tried a lame boycott for a day and have issued other threats at them. I've never seen threats coming from a pro gun person before today. I was just a customer going about my business as I would have anywhere else.

I'm sure you think open carriers are to blame for OC being banned in Cali too. You can keep your rights as long as you don't use them.

 

[Stretch]

Just attempted to cash out my Bud card, and they said $6.00 max refund.

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[Alpine]

Here is the logic that many of the BOHICAs in the gun community don't want to admit:

if gun owners hadn't been rallying around SB so much, then instead of this wishy-washy stance that doesn't ban guns but asks them "not to be there" without any force, you'd be looking at an outright ban.

Think about it. Schultz is a liberal tried and true. If the OC community hadn't ever had anything to do with SB and wasn't well known for that, what would have stopped SB from banning guns in all stores from the moment that the antis asked them to?

Not that I intend to necessarily keep going there. They burn their coffee and I'm not even a coffee drinker, I prefer tea, but think about that logic.

 

[Logan 5]

I forget where the pic of men inside a Starbucks holding assault rifles....open carry is fine. I support it. But I also support common sense.

 

[jbone]

You mean, "as long as you promise not to exercise your rights then you can keep them."

Do we really have rights if we're not allowed to exercise them?

He just softened Obama's word change into, chance, meaning it's coming anyway. He's just telling gun owners to conform to change before they introduce changing policy. He's giving the chance to surrender!

 

[triehl27]

The one thing

The one thing that always gets me, it L.E. is ok. Really?
SPD just shot an unarmed woman,
NYPD just shot innocent bystanders,
L.E. has just as many safety issues as O.C. in public, yet they're cool.
Secondly. In re to L.E. anywhere in groups. Two words: Forza Coffee or civillian: Racer Cafe
That is one definitive reason why I go armed, because although I will always do my best to deescalate
an issue, the issues of violent outbursts in public and L.E. being targeted have been on the rise and most
likely will continue.

I get the idea of it but the way it's stated, like L.E. is so much safer and welcome.
Well I'm here to tell you that isn't the case. Any one here forget to put a magazine in their weapon, and CAN'T
remember the last time you were sure there was a mag in it? "Maybe a month or so ago?" was what an officer told me
This came up last year after an active shooter hunt. The officer was standing talking to me, and I asked did they
collect his mag for some reason. He looks down and sure enough no mag. And he couldn't even be sure when he
has last seen a mag in his duty gun. And mind you he had been conducting a gun drawn search for a armed shooting
suspect.

I've shot with some real idiots, I have been shot with a .25acp that the woman didn't realize was loaded. But, some of the
errors I have seen in the last 10 years surrounding L.E. are what truly scare me about gun handling, the level of complacency
scares the heck out of me with many L.E.


Although I do not agree with the way the O.C. community has promoted, Starbucks or Co-oped their emblem,
and all, when we were asked not to. We did this to ourselves, make no mistake. But in the end,
Starbucks has seen my last order. I will respect their request and since I always carry, I'll respect it
by not spending my money there, since I will not disarm for coffee.

 

[tannerwaterbury]

Something else to consider: This announcement was made a day after the Naval Yard Shooting. I'm guessing with the political pressure from the anti's, they've finally caved in because of this shooting. I've had a feeling that they would eventually cave in if something like that occurred. No matter, ain't like I bought Starbucks to begin with.

 

[jbone]

Something else to consider: This announcement was made a day after the Naval Yard Shooting. I'm guessing with the political pressure from the anti's, they've finally caved in because of this shooting. I've had a feeling that they would eventually cave in if something like that occurred. No matter, ain't like I bought Starbucks to begin with.

I agree, an easy connection. The anti-gun political leaders got to them hard. While I disagree with their stance on asking others not to exercise a state right to appease others, they are private and can do as they please, even if makes them look like pigs. I'm sure glad I never bought into the whole guns and coffee memorabilia thing.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Thanks for playing "The Starbucks Game"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

 

[BB62]

Really? Straight from the Starbucks letter (it's even underlined in the letter!):

http://www.starbucks.com/blog/an-open-letter-from-howard-schultz/1268

So, would you care to tell me how my post was incorrect?...

I already did, in my previous post regarding their instructions to their employees. Again, see Bill Stark's post on page 1 of this thread.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[gogodawgs]

Just attempted to cash out my Bud card, and they said $6.00 max refund.

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It's the law that any gift card with $5 or less must be refunded. If you have $20 then buy $15 of product and refund the final $5. Then return the $15 of product and buy $10 and cash out the $5. Then repeat until you have it all in cash.