gotcha. i was having trouble finding exact states and laws.
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Take it easy, guys
- Thread starter rvrctyrngr
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gotcha. i was having trouble finding exact states and laws.
ixtow
Founder's Club Member
Yes. You can. but why? How is tact useful here? Why waste it on scum?
I might use tact to tell my G/F that she could stand to hit the step machine. I care about her and it might make her really grumpy if I didn't.
But Politicians? That's like dreaming up a polite way to step on a cockroach. Even our so-called allies are just barely so...
tcfla
Regular Member
What have I done?
Lets' put or resumes' on the table. . You have done nothing for me or on my behalf. I have fought in five 5 wars. The first 1974, Vietnam, Panama, First Iraq, Second Iraqi, Afghanistan (twice.) Fighting for YOUR RIGHTS little man. Have you ever picked up a weapon in a war and aim it at another human being? No, of course not. You are no different than the liberals/socialist we are fighting. Nothing but a Mall Ninja that wants a few toys to play with and show everyone I'm a man, I have a gun. "What exactly have YOU done to help besides prattle your childish rhetoric on a website?" I have done more than your sorry ass has ever done sitting safe in this country I have fought to keep your sorry ass free so you can spit you righteous "how I saved the second amendment" crap. You think you have a right?? I KNOW I HAVE A RIGHT. I earned it. No I demand it. That's why I am in Afghanistan now, protecting your Ninja rights. Ha, You have no idea.
v/r
Louis Diehl
SOW Analyst/Advisor
NTM-A
Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan
Lets' put or resumes' on the table. . You have done nothing for me or on my behalf. I have fought in five 5 wars. The first 1974, Vietnam, Panama, First Iraq, Second Iraqi, Afghanistan (twice.) Fighting for YOUR RIGHTS little man. Have you ever picked up a weapon in a war and aim it at another human being? No, of course not. You are no different than the liberals/socialist we are fighting. Nothing but a Mall Ninja that wants a few toys to play with and show everyone I'm a man, I have a gun. "What exactly have YOU done to help besides prattle your childish rhetoric on a website?" I have done more than your sorry ass has ever done sitting safe in this country I have fought to keep your sorry ass free so you can spit you righteous "how I saved the second amendment" crap. You think you have a right?? I KNOW I HAVE A RIGHT. I earned it. No I demand it. That's why I am in Afghanistan now, protecting your Ninja rights. Ha, You have no idea.
v/r
Louis Diehl
SOW Analyst/Advisor
NTM-A
Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan
ixtow
Founder's Club Member
How many domestic enemies have you pointed a gun at?
vrvctyrngr is fighting a war you haven't even wrapped your head around. Hell, I've been through **** with these politicians and their foot soldiers that, fortunately, nobody effing believes, so I can talk about it without doing any real harm...
Calm down. As I recently spoke to another; I don't think it's possible for people on this website to truly be enemies. Honestly, I feel more like the direct approach, because I've seen everything else fail in this State so many times. I'd rather just drag 'em out in the street and shoot them, just like they've done to my friends. No one gets more heated about being nice and talking politely to these degenerates. Lets not do it to each other.
brboyer
Regular Member
See this is why we can't have nice things. Like Open Carry.
I wonder how often you actually get out of your mom's basement, I suspect it's only to get the latest version of WOW!
This is the exact type of post that we are talking about....crazy nut-jobs.....a perfect embodiment of the publicly expressed concerns of the FSA.
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~*'Phoenix'*~
Regular Member
"Take it easy" on each other, "guys."
Don't we have enough enemies in the Senate, the Retailers (whoever the heck they are?) and the FSA lobby force? We can't afford to make enemies of each other.
Don't we have enough enemies in the Senate, the Retailers (whoever the heck they are?) and the FSA lobby force? We can't afford to make enemies of each other.
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You cannot complete that list unless you include the NRA. They are the reason we did not get OC in Florida in a Republican controlled senate, and supportive Republican in the Governors mansion. We had it and we were as close as we will ever be again for a long long time. It was worth a defeated bill to keep the true constitutional carry language in the bill and have the NRA kick the crap of of Boogie if her amendment passed. The NRA caved for the purpose of claiming victory on a useless bill that even its title was bull**t from the start and the NRA knew it.
I know the NRA has done more for gun rights (blah blah, blah). They sure have, but they failed this time for their own purposes and Floridian's paid the price. The only victory in this bill was for the NRA. It was not for the state of Florida, Floridians, or the constitution.
We are not going to get OC unless we pound the NRA to grow a pair. They are why we lost open carry in the senate. The house is the last chance and if the NRA does not get behind true open carry and not simply a statistical victory we are screwed in the house as they screwed us in the senate.
Yea Bogdnoff is a Bwitch but it was the NRA that caved. Their weight on her would have avoided alot of these problems. Remember Bogdnoff said it on the floor, "this is what the NRA wanted". The NRA got just what they wanted, a useless bill in their victory column.
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FzSBLACKMAGICK
Campaign Veteran
I agree and I'll let her speak for herself...this sound like someone passionate about open carry? She was content with this "fix". And I think she fully understood this isn't the "fix" we wanted.
Now, we finally found a way we 'think" may work? WTF? What was it the day before you were standing up there shredding the very same amendment???
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/28/2189407/fla-open-carry-bill-is-no-more.html#ixzz1L0SqvPy8
OTOH I will say this...if even a few people get harassed for "brief" (whatever that means) exposure of their gun's handle I do believe she would be back for the fight promoting nothing but no compromise full OC with the FSA's testicles in a bag.
Polite begging and grovelling to spineless politicos and lobbys has failed us. Compromise and touchy-feely talk time is done. Those upon whom we rely for representation at the law-making level need to be made to understand that.
2 ways that can happen. They can hear our disgust and outrage-pretty or not-and "get it" and make right on it.
or, they can find out the hard way come next election cycle, if enough of us make our point loud and clear-at the only place they take notice of- the polls.
Folks are getting fed up-on a number of topics and issues-in this country at all levels-Local,State,and Federal,with voting in representatives who back-stab them, and ignore the voter's interests in favor of lobbys and special intrests.In case they didnt notice, the results of much of the last election cycle demonstrated that rather well. Perhaps they need another,more permanent reminder next election?
2 ways that can happen. They can hear our disgust and outrage-pretty or not-and "get it" and make right on it.
or, they can find out the hard way come next election cycle, if enough of us make our point loud and clear-at the only place they take notice of- the polls.
Folks are getting fed up-on a number of topics and issues-in this country at all levels-Local,State,and Federal,with voting in representatives who back-stab them, and ignore the voter's interests in favor of lobbys and special intrests.In case they didnt notice, the results of much of the last election cycle demonstrated that rather well. Perhaps they need another,more permanent reminder next election?
That would require the assumption that they (actually,their volunteer intern staff) even bother to read any of it.With as many of us having sent as many such letters over the last few months, they would have "gotten it" long ago if they had read em.
They arent ignorant of the rights. Nor are the ignorant of why we want them. They just flat seem to not care.
77zach
Regular Member
Once this session is over, type and send letters in the mail. They will read them. During the off season, Dean reads and responds to his emails. He once wrote me back an essay why he wasn't going to support "firearm freedom" law where the state nullifies federal gun laws. I wrote him back, and then he said he decided to support it if it came up.
Well, there may be an exception to every rule.But we need more than one. And we need even that one,to make an effective case on the floor when he has the chance,rather than stutter and stammer, and ultimately cave-in to the cowards.
Passionate is an understatement. If I wasn't I wouldn't be on opencarry.org pounding everyone to realize what the NRA did.
It will be too late for one Florida citizen after he has been detained, processed and placed in lockup waiting for the SA office to decide. This is just like before. How many citizens will have to go through hiring a lawyer, pooping in an open air toilet, having his arrest record (not conviction) available in the public record before they decide to say "see it didn't work, FSA didn't tell the truth".
SB234 was not truly an “open carry” bill it should never have be presented as if it was. Evers knew it and so did the NRA.
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Dear Senator,
It is my position that you failed on SB234. This session of the senate passed a useless law and one that was outside it’s published objective. If this was not truly an “open carry” bill it should never have be presented as if it was. It does not protect the CCW holders from aggressive anti-gun law enforcement officers. It does not protect the second amendment of the constitution. It does not change the fact that Florida is only one of seven states that ban open carry of firearms. The bill is subjective and ambiguous and does little for the citizens of Florida.
Senator, you stood in front of everyone and made an apologetic speech about how gun owners could be arrested for accidentally exposing our firearms. This bill may have been worded as an open carry bill, but it was never intended to be an open carry bill and you knew it. It was only a matter of time before someone changed the text to match what everyone was intending it to be. In other words, you tried to get sneaky, and you are called on it. It was a cowardly way to present the bill, and it just proves that you were afraid of doing it in the first place. You felt a need to defend yourself before the ink was dry. I quote your words “this is no longer an open carry bill”, shameless!
I know I do not live in your district and that I am not one of your constituents. However, if Senator Evers has any ambition to represent Florida within the political arena of the federal house or senate you have more than likely lost any and all support from me. Your intentional deception upon the citizens of Florida has been duly noted.
(I got some of this from another posters. I was trying to find the words myself but his were perfect)
rvrctyrngr
Regular Member
I've done more than my share of fighting in foreign lands, tough guy. Panama, Kuwait, Iraq, Kosovo, Somalia, Afghanistan, and a few places you couldn't find on a map...Yes, I've fired weapons at the enemy and had them shooting back at me. Sunk ships and blown stuff up, killed people and broke things. Watched good men die and cleaned a buddy's brains off of my uniform. I didn't get this spider web scar on my forehead (and numerous others) because I cut myself shaving. Thanks for your service, but you're far from the only one here that's done it.
Difference being, since I was disabled in one of those wars we both proudly served in, now I'm fighting a different fight against a different type of enemy...one that doesn't respond well to threats and intimidation, and has the power to take your rights away just as easily is it can restore them.
I'm done. Going to take my sorry ninja ass and my toys to the range and certify a nice lady for her CWFL.
Stay safe.
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JeepSeller
Regular Member
rvrctyrngr,
Unfortunately, I'm sure you of all people likely realize that it's people like that who are responsible for the negative image gun owners have, and why it's possible you'll never have open carry in Florida.
*bang-head-on-wall*
Unfortunately, I'm sure you of all people likely realize that it's people like that who are responsible for the negative image gun owners have, and why it's possible you'll never have open carry in Florida.
*bang-head-on-wall*
Japle
Regular Member
In reading some of these posts, I’m seeing one common problem. Our opponents are being described as “cowards”, and “traitors” who’re working to dupe the “willing slaves” of Florida into accepting laws that we think are wrong.
What’s missing is the fact that our opponents see us as dupes of the NRA (or if you say the NRA has failed us, something much worse) who are endangering the citizens of Florida, especially the children. We know this is nonsense, but they believe it. When a few gun owners call them names and make threats, they become even more convinced they’re right and we’re all dangerous loonies.
I’m not saying we can convince them of our point of view by talking nice. I’m not saying we should ignore them when they insult us. But all the rants are counterproductive. They reinforce the crazy-nutjob-in-camo-with-an-AK47 stereotype.
We often read, “An armed society is a polite society”. That may be true. But who wants to arm people who’ve demonstrated that they’re incapable of being polite? Who wants to arm angry, threatening people?
Tell your politicians you think they’re wrong if they vote for laws you disagree with. Tell them you’ll support their opponent. Do it politely. Let them see you’re a civilized, reasonable voter. Otherwise, they’ll just ignore you at best and go out of their way to screw you at worst.
Take it easy.
What’s missing is the fact that our opponents see us as dupes of the NRA (or if you say the NRA has failed us, something much worse) who are endangering the citizens of Florida, especially the children. We know this is nonsense, but they believe it. When a few gun owners call them names and make threats, they become even more convinced they’re right and we’re all dangerous loonies.
I’m not saying we can convince them of our point of view by talking nice. I’m not saying we should ignore them when they insult us. But all the rants are counterproductive. They reinforce the crazy-nutjob-in-camo-with-an-AK47 stereotype.
We often read, “An armed society is a polite society”. That may be true. But who wants to arm people who’ve demonstrated that they’re incapable of being polite? Who wants to arm angry, threatening people?
Tell your politicians you think they’re wrong if they vote for laws you disagree with. Tell them you’ll support their opponent. Do it politely. Let them see you’re a civilized, reasonable voter. Otherwise, they’ll just ignore you at best and go out of their way to screw you at worst.
Take it easy.
77zach
Regular Member
Our opponents are the violent ones. They are evil or stupid or both. I'm not saying to write that in an email to a senator, but it's true. We want to peaceably go about our business exercising a human right. They want to use hired uniformed guns to throw us in a cage for it, and if we resist, kill us.
The thing that is maddening about this is that we are already armed. If our opponents really feared us, wouldn't they want to know who is armed?
No, they just hate freedom. But you are right, telling them what they are only reinforces their moral and intellectual defects.
The thing that is maddening about this is that we are already armed. If our opponents really feared us, wouldn't they want to know who is armed?
No, they just hate freedom. But you are right, telling them what they are only reinforces their moral and intellectual defects.
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Rick H
Regular Member
Well like I have said before, I do not think that pussyfoot-en around will accomplish anything. It has never worked to prove nor do anything in the past except eliminate our rights and our freedom's. If I could figure out the correct way to promote a protest/strike in a progressive way as to get the people (10's of THOUSANDS) involved. This is the only way to show what WE, THE PEOPLE want....... And if you look at the other countries you can understand this.